Hey Guys (and Gals),

I am planning on hosting a postal match if there is enough interest. (this match is in no way intended to compete or take away from Ranch Dog's Match) In fact, it was primarily desinged for those of us who don't own/shoot leverguns. the preliminary rules are as follows:

Postal Match Rules

Classes:
Scoped Rimfire: any sporting rimfire with scope
Open Sight Rimfire: any sporting rimfire w/ out a scope

20 Class: Any sporting centerfire rifle chambered for a caliber that begins with a 2

30 Class: Any sporting centerfire rifle chambered for a caliber that begins with a 3

40 Class: Any sporting centerfire rifle chambered for a caliber that begins with a 4

50 Class: This one is for the BIG guns. Any centerfire rifle chambered for a caliber that begins with a 5.
(Note: All scoped rifles will have scopes set no higher than 10 power)

Open sights: Any Centerfire rifle not scoped. Targets will be shot at 50 yards

Varmint: Heavy barreled centerfire rifles with scopes higher than 10 power

200 yard: Whatever you want as long as it is shot at 200 yards

All targets will be shot from a range of 100 yards (except for the 200 yard and open sight class)

Targets will be scored in two ways:
Tightest Group: Tightest 5 shot group on paper
Best paper: Center of bullseye to outside of farthest shot less half bullet diameter (as listed in speer reloading manual #13)


5 entries will be required to open each class. Each shooter will be allowed 2 entries per class, multiple targets may be submitted but the 2 entries will be tightest group submitted and best paper submitted. (This means you can’t take 1st, 2nd and 3rd place in one score of one class)

Entries will be accepted April 1, 2004- August 15, 2004

I don’t have the financial means to provide prizes for any category so unless someone wishes to sponsor a category by providing a prize, this match will be for bragging rights

Target to be announced (see my postal match post under general discussion for target discussion)

These rules are not etched in stone so feel free to offer any suggestions. also, just post and let me know you are interested and maybe what you are planning to shoot.

We'll put a sticky on this to keep it at the top of the forum for a while so the members can find it. jb.

Good idea. The .22 rimfire category interests me.

I'm wondering if we should put this in the Postal Match forum..... JB, do you care one way or the other?

Believe my son and I would like to do the rimfire event. Hopefully I catch a flight out of Iraq today.

Whatever you guys feel would be best, maybe leave it as a sticky for a little while till we gin up enough interest and then move it to a postal match forum. Marshall had mentioned setting up a new forum for this match

If we move it, I'll leave a re-direct. Let me check with Marshall & RanchDog .....

JB, send a PM to Marshall. We're going to have a separate forum for your postal match for now, to see how it goes.

Myself and a couple friends here at Ft Bliss would love to get involved in several of the categories. It sounds like a blast.

Tell your friends and neighbors, the Postal Match is on!
Official Postal Match Rules

Classes:
Scoped Rimfire: any sporting rimfire with scope
Open Sight Rimfire: any sporting rimfire w/ out a scope

20 Class: Any sporting centerfire rifle chambered for a caliber that begins with a 2

30 Class: Any sporting centerfire rifle chambered for a caliber that begins with a 3

40 Class: Any sporting centerfire rifle chambered for a caliber that begins with a 4

50 Class: This one is for the BIG guns. Any centerfire rifle chambered for a caliber that begins with a 5.
(Note: All scoped rifles will have scopes set no higher than 10 power)

Open sights: Any Centerfire rifle not scoped. Targets will be shot at 50 yards

Varmint: Heavy barreled centerfire rifles with scopes higher than 10 power

200 yard: Whatever you want as long as it is shot at 200 yards

All targets will be shot from a range of 100 yards (except for the 200 yard and open sight class)

Targets will be scored in two ways:
Tightest Group: Tightest 5 shot group on paper
Best paper: Center of bullseye to outside of farthest shot less half bullet diameter (as listed in speer reloading manual #13)

The official Targets will be:
http://www.beartoothbullets.com/pdf/target_color.pdf
http://www.beartoothbullets.com/pdf/target_bw.pdf

5 entries will be required to open each class. Each shooter will be allowed 2 entries per class, multiple targets may be submitted but the 2 entries will be tightest group submitted and best paper submitted. (This means you can’t take 1st, 2nd and 3rd place in one score of one class)

Entries should include shooters name, email address and shooters forum name as well as the gun used and class to be entered in.

Entries will be accepted April 1, 2004- August 15, 2004

In the event of a tie, I have a tie-breaker contingency planned but it will remain a secret until it is needed.

I will be posting a P.O. Box address closer to the opening day.

JB,
Sounds like I will have to give this one a try also. It is gonna be a fun spring and summer. Now my lawn will never get mowed. :)

JB,
What distance are the rimfires shot at? Are they still 50 yards for open sights and 100 yards for scoped?
Thanks

oh jeez! what a good question. Hadn't really thought about it. I think we will keep the scopes shooting at 100 yards, just to keep it interesting, especially since there will probably not be any handloading and you will have to use factory loads. Official Ruling: 22 rimfires with scopes will be shot at 100 yards and 22 rimfires with open sights will be shot at 50 yards

JB,
Sounds like I will have to give this one a try also. It is gonna be a fun spring and summer. Now my lawn will never get mowed. :)

Ditto, boy is my wife going to be mad this year :D:D:D Oh wait, guess that is nothing new! :D

I am also adding this statement to the rules: JB is NOT responsible for any lost or damaged marriages :)

Official Ruling: 22 rimfires with scopes will be shot at 100 yards and 22 rimfires with open sights will be shot at 50 yards
I'll assume this ruling applies to ALL rimfires, as I want to be shooting my .17HMR...Looking forward to it!

Yes AZ, you are absolutely correct, my bad, the ruling applies to ALL rimfires.

Is anyone else thinking of shooting an 45 caliber? I was thinking of trying the 45-90 out on it. Still trying to find the right combination of seating depth and crimp on the beast. I'm getting closer, but I'm not getting 'varmint' accuracy yet by a long shot. Having lots of fun trying though. Just curious if there were any other 'big' bores going to try the fun...

Yep, it will be a god excuse to get my Marlin Mod 45 camp rifle out and shoot it. I also have a old trapdoor that might see some action. :D

JB,
I forgot to ask about service rifles, like 03,M1,M1 carbine,M1A,ARs ECT. It would be a good excuse to knock the cobwebs off them. ;)

Yeah Big Medicine, go ahead and shoot em all. do you want a seperate category for the service rifles or do you want to shoot them by caliber class?

Heck JB, I would think we could just lump them in with every thing else in the Cal. Class to keep it simple. Just what I need, another excuse to go shoot. My lawn aint never gonna get mowed!

Been a couple days since I've been out here...anybody getting ready to punch some paper? The wind is supposed to drop below 40mph this weekend so I might get some load work done. Slowly getting there with the old Sharps...

JB, will you have that P.O. box pretty soon? Hope it's a big one...

I hope to get a PO box soon, Work has been super crazy lately

One more day and we can start SHOOTIN'! I've got mine down to where I've only got to expand the target to a 3x5 Ft. piece of paper! That's why I was hoping the post office box was big. Still having trouble getting my seating depth right. We're supposed to get snow and rain this weekend so I'm gonna have to get out before it, but they haven't got a forcast right all year, why should they start now. LET THE GAMES BEGIN

Well guys, Its finally here! Bad News here: its raining and the rain is coming in sideways. Good news, The gunsmith called and my .223 trigger is fixed! I still haven;t got to get a p.o. box, so here is the deal for now: when you are ready to send me your first batch of targets, PM me and i will PM you back with my address. Good Luck

JB, I kinda wish I had your problem. We just had the driest March on record, over 100 years...1/10 inch and March is our second wettest Month! I can't wait to see the dry ones. Just horrible dry out here. Just south of us there's a fire that went from 500 to 2000 acres as soon as the wind picked up today. Even my cactus's are starting to suffer...

I've got a couple targets to send but nothing fancy. 5th shot flyer syndrome at it's best. "I think the sun was in my eyes that shot" type of thing. I was gonna get two youngsters shooting too, does it matter if they shoot the same guns as myself? They won't set any records but they're intrigued with a match that could conceivably be world wide. Gotta keep those kids interested or we'll lose 'em...

I'm going out to sling lead right after work.

Well, I finally got a chance to get to the Post Office so here is the official JB's Postal match address:
Jason Black
P.O. Box 234
Gardners, PA 17324
You guys may want to put 2 targets on top of each other since i am not planning on returning targets. I want to get out and shoot but the weather hasn't been nice enough merit dragging the bench out, did manage to get some trigger time in on the 223 out the kitchen window on the steel target. I may just wait till my membership at the local gun club goes through at the meeting the third wednesday in April.

JB,
Got some targets to go in the mail tomorrow. :)

excellent, glad to hear it, i will be watching for em'

Woulda made a great 3 shot group! I have resigned myself to waiting for a semi still day to shoot, no point in setting up a target 3 miles away just so i hit the paper with the wind

Anybody been out this week? Maybe i will get a chance to get out saturday, guess i better download the targets :D

Anybody been out this week? Maybe i will get a chance to get out saturday, guess i better download the targets :D

I finally got my rifle shooting 'minute of turkey' I hope! I'm taking it and the two sons up next week to the Black Hills. Hope to get some more paper punched when we get back...

I just print my targets off the net, then photo copy them. I'm hoping it's coming out the right size, should be shouldn't it? The one with the colored center is sure nice for open sights...

I was out today testing loads for the .223 and i ran into a snag (see FUBAR 223 in rifles and rifle cartridges) so i am on hold with that rifle for at least 2 weeks i am guessing. tried to shoot my 10/22 on the beartooth targets and i lost count and put 6 on one target and 4 on the other. what a day! I was also to the post office and i haven;t recived anything since Big Med's last week. Trout season opens tomorrow so i am obligated to spend at least a few hours wetting a line so i am probably not going to get much done this weekend. good luck guys

.223 is back from the shop, and the gun club memebership went through so i will hopefully be out tomorrow evening

Sling some lead JB!!

Well Crap! My plans for the weekend have all gone to heck in a handbasket, maybe i might get to pick up a gun if i am lucky

I just got me a new Walther P22 today.....it is nice! Shoots great I had to go sling lead after work ;)

did end up getting out yesterday but the shooting was done to get the new scope bases and rings set up and zeroed on the 223 i did put some holes in match targets but nothing worth anything. so far the only entries i have recieved as of friday is Big Medicine's entries from the first week

Lets get some targets shot gang :eek: Lets get JBs mail box overflowing.

Is anybody other than Big Med shooting at all?

I've got a couple targets, and am ready to shoot a few more when the wind and weather cooperate. My two sons wanted to try out their luck also...anyone else?

Look out guys I just got my 204 Ruger. It is the Stainless synthic with a standard barrel. I shot it the other day in 20-30 MPH cross winds and it still shot about 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 inches at 100. When the wind finally dies down we shall see what it will do.

JB,
Got a 204 target in the mail yesterday. I'm kinda liking that little gun.

JB,

I've got a few targets printed & ready to use. I have two major problems: 1. allergy season is in full swing so itchy eyes, etc. make it hard to get out to the range and
2. deciding which guns to use for your match.

Sooner or later you'll be seeing some of my targets.

Take Claratin and shoot 'em all! Actually, don't feel too bad, I haven't got out to shoot any match targets myself yet. Its a long season, shoot em when you get a chance, I'll be watchin' for em

Got Big Medicines target from the 204 today. Looks good! Steelbanger, whereabouts are you in our fair commonwealth?

JB12string,

I'm in the economically depressed area of PA . . . I guess that doesn't narrow it down too much, does it?

Actually, I'm in Northumberland County, which is a mix of old coal mines, agricultural areas and a few prisons which have sprung up over the last 10 years or so.

I am vaugely familiar with that area. i have gone through on 81 a bunch of times. close to some hunting and skiing! I am about 30 miles south of harrisburg, near adams county with all the apple fed deer :D

How's those targets comin' Baggsy?

Flustering! I can get three shots in the same hole, then 4 and 5 take on a life of their own as I envision greatness and accolades from all our fellow shooters. I'm working on another load that will negate shooter error. You can shoot it over your shoulder with a mirror and cloverleaf 'em!

Seriously, I've worked up some 7x57 loads for my 14 year old that we'll shoot a target or two with. And a 243 with open sights that might be fun to group.

I did do something interesting with the 45-90 though. When I found my best load for hunting this spring, I set the vernier for a touch high at 50 yards, then shot a target at 100 to see how much drop I was looking at. Darned if it isn't better 'paper' target than my best 50 yarder. PM me JB with your address again and I'll put a couple in the mail, mostly just to laugh at...

Well I guess I'll take that 2-7 off the new CZ Lux and put on the 8-32. I knew there was a reason it was sitting in my gun safe.

Looks like great fun. One question any specific type of target you want us to use?

Back on the first page of this is a couple PDF documents, one black and white, another with a yellow bullseye, that are the targets. The yellow stands out pretty good with iron sights. See what you think and good luck!

JB12string,

Got some targets in the mail this afternoon. You should be seeing them on Monday or Tue. Once the word gets out, bench resters will all be looking for 45-70's!

I intend to fire a few more before deadline time is here.

Best regards

Sounds good guys, keep em rollin'. i haven't checked the p.o. box recently since i just got back from sunny bermuda :D but i will get up this week and pull em out.

Hey i just noticed this Postal Match forum now. If im not too late i might make some holes with my 300 wby and 7-08.

Fire away, Nathan, Looking forward to seeing your targets

Looking sharp with that 45-70 Steelbanger!!

watch out varmint catagory!! i shot a thumbnail size bullseye group with the 223 today(no it wasn't on a match target, of course i was using a 100 yard smallbore target. {smacking head "stupid stupid stupid"}) i will try to attempt the feat again on proper paper tomorrow. I am skipping out of church early for a 3-D shoot then i hope to head for the rifle range. One thing that does concern me about this match is the surprising lack of participation from the moderators! come on guys lets see what you got {throws gauntlet on floor} Keep them targets rolling in!!

OK, alright already.... I'll shoot some targets!

OK, Marshall is in, any other takers?

If I can get caught up on some things, I'll shoot a target with my .338 Win Mag that will make you cry, with factory ammo no less... :D

Lookin forward to it

Hey JB, I finally made it over here. Are the targets posted anywhere like on Ranch Dog's? I'd like to see all of the other groups if possible. Thanks,

David

they are the standard beartooth targets from beartooth.com, infact, i think that Ranch Dog just modified his targets from that model.
http://www.beartoothbullets.com/misc/targets.htm
we use the bullseye targets, the black and white or color versions both work, whichever you prefer. I don't have the targets posted anywhere as i currently lack the technology to do so, but i will accept the donation of a scanner or digital camera :D just kidding, i hope to be able to borrow my parents scanner at some point and get the targets posted

jb,

Had a bad time at range this week end. Seems nothing was going right. Rifles that would go 1/2 minute wouldn't go ONE!!!

Anyway, put two targets in the mail to you today. One is 100 yards with a 22 rimfire and the other is with a 270 winchester.

Oh crap, he shot the 270, were all screwed :D

Hey, JB, I sent one from my 45-70. Did you get it yet?

Haven't got to the post office recently, i will check this week

Haven't got to the post office recently, i will check this week

Hey jb, You been to the post office yet?

Not yet, hopefully tomorrow. I have been killer busy at work, my dad and 2 youngest brothers have been off on vacation for the past two weeks (roughing it on a cruise ship and train in alaska) i will be glad when they get back tomorrow and get over there jet lag. Maybe when they get back, i can shoot some targets for the match.

I've been out working up loads for the 204 and it is looking good! :)

Hpefully i can get some range time in sometime next week

Hey jb, Haven't heard from you in 2 weeks - You still alive and kicking?

Chained to work, haven't got much shooting in. Great looking targets, i was right about that .270 I have 2 targets on the fridge, wish they were match targets, one is with my 223 and the other is my 243. they look like someone stuck a pencil in the paper and made a 1/2" vertical tear. Maybe this weekend, i will get out and punch holes. I think i will follow ranch dog's example and have some discussion about the match for next year. Good luck all you guys, hurry up and get those last minute targets in.

JB,
Went to the range yesterday, getting ready for hunting season, and ending up wishing I had brought along your match targets! The group pictured below is 5 shots, 180gr Hornady bullets fired from my 30-06 with the old Leupold 4x scope. Who says you need a high powered scope? :D

The group measures .578, BTW. Not too bad for a hunting rig.

Makes ya sick don't it

JB,

When are you going to post the results?

We're waiting out here in cyberspace.

Hopefully tomorrow. got to get to the PO then its a simple matter to score them. it should be, anyway, looks as if some people have taken to shooting out the center of the target.

didn't make it to the post office, had to work late, gotta pay the bills you know

jb,

Thought the match ended on August 15? - Sure would like to see some results.

The match ended the 31st, i have been really tied up lately, i will post the scores as soon as i can, also, i was waiting for a few targets from some people who said they would be sending them. Hopefully by weeks end the results will be posted, just from a quick glance, i think you may be safe with that 270 target

The match ended the 31st, i have been really tied up lately.

jb, "Tied up"? - You holding out still shooting targets aren't ya? :D

I wish!!!! I worked until 8 at least every night last week, then i had to spend some time with the wife and mow the grass and i lacked the required nerves and patiece to properly score the targets

OK,
I have scored all the targets (finally!) and i will post the top scores for each category now, the next chance i get i will run down the places for the rest of the targets in the class, i waived the 5 target rule due to lack of participation.

Rimfire scope
Ray Sendero .862 to bullseye and .762 group

Rimfire Open
Steelbanger .898 to bullseye and .854 group
Both rimfire targets were with 22LR's

20 Class
Ray Sendero .218 to bullseye and .388 group
fired w/ .270

30 Class
Steelbanger .431 to bullseye and .505 group
fired with .30-06

40 Class
Dr. A .681 to bullseye
Steelbanger .930 group
Both fired with 45-70's

All bullseyes except rimfire are less half a caliber and all groups except rimfire are less a whole caliber.
As time allows i will be ranking the remaining targets.
Great shooting guys, thanks for your participation and your paticence with me. I have enjoyed watching your targets come in over the past few months, unfortunatly i was only able to fire one target on my own for the 20 class and it didn't do as well as i had hoped. Perhaps next year someone with a little more time and the right equipment will host the non lever match to give you guys an even better postal match experinece. Hopefully i will be able to get ahold of a scanner and post the winning targets on the web sometime soon for all to enjoy. anyways, its getting late and i am starting to ramble. thanks again guys!

I protest! I'm pretty sure that Steelbanger's grandkids shot that half inch group. His eyes are entirely too old to shoot that well! :D We won't even be able to read his posts any more for all his ranting. :)

To the good Dr. A,

If it weren't for a flyer with one of my 400 Speers, I would have had a sub .5 group with the 45-70 too! Enough of this ranting.

Hi Guys,

New to this BB, but couldn't resist posting a late .30 cal entry just for fun (yes, I know its over).

Anyway, here is a couple 5-shot groups shot with my Parker-Hale M85 sniper rifle @100yds.

Feed.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/feedbackboy/Firearms/M85_halfsize.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/feedbackboy/Targets/15mm_5_shot_Group_M85.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/feedbackboy/Firearms/M85Bench1.jpg

I'd say it shoots :eek:

Work on that flier, though! :D

hmm, seems to me i don't remember getting your target Mike.

hmm, seems to me i don't remember getting your target Mike.

LOL. I got W-A-Y behind on shooting, this year! :o

Tell me about it, You'd think for a guy holding a postal match, I'd be able to get at least one target shot for score, did manage to get ahold of my grandfathers M94 in 32 Win Special and punch 3 targets for Ranch Dog, nothing to write home about, but it was fun. hey what about a MikeG's postal match for next year?

Oh man, in about 50 years when I get caught up on stuff around here....

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Please read:

http://shootersforum.com/showthread.htm?t=30898

JB, I have a 17hm2 thats a shooter, what class do I fall under, or am I out of luck?

coyote_243, this thread was on a postal match held back in Aug '04, so I would say your outta luck no matter what you have!

coyote_243, this thread was on a postal match held back in Aug '04, so I would say your outta luck no matter what you have!

Yup!

twentycharacters

JB, Are you going to have another postal shoot? I'm interested.Q

I'm not really in a position to hold another postal match in the near future. I'd love to shoot one (with my bolt guns) but my wife and I've got a baby on the way and I have a feeling I won't have the free time next summer that I had this summer. PM me if you are interested in hosting one, I'll gladly help get you started

Congrats, JB! When is your baby due?

Hey JB,
That is GREAT news. Congratulations to you and your bride. Boy or girl, do you know or want to know? That is really awesome.
Godspeed and God bless,
Greg

The baby is due February 3, the day before the superbowl :eek: Whether we find out what the baby is, is still under debate