Hello all. Anyone tried the 22 subsonics with the 60 gr. bullet?

Have used them...still do in some rifles. Bullet is a bit long for most .22LR's barrel twsit, and only some of the 1:16 (that's the standard twist) shoot them well.

Shouldn't be that way...if one 1:16 won't spin them, then another 1:16 shouldn't spin them either, but some do.

Would buy one box for trial. IN testing 11 rifles, figure you have a 3/11 chance of it shooting well, 5/11 chance of it shooting "OK", and a 3/11 chance of it shooting very large groups with oval or key-hole strikes.

As to effect. They penetrate well, and while stable in the air, show signs of becoming unstable after impact.

I find that their deadly to woodchucks and ferrel cats don't like them very much either.I use them out to about 40-50 yards.After that,why use subsonic?

Considering that...will have to get some real-life down range vel. figures for the 60gr. load. Reported figures show it with a higher BC which holds onto vel. (and therefore energy), but the drop figures aren't impressive.

I use the Aquila 60 grain subsonic for coon hunting, much more relaiable 1 shot kills than the lighter 22 bullets.

The problem with the light solid bullets when hunting an animal as large as a coon is they won't always penetrate the skull. Light hollow points <40gr won't penetrate at all. They are the worst to use on a coon. Even 40 gr hollow points are not good. I have a coffee cup in my garage with a bunch of flattened out howwow points that were found under the skin when skinning, and these are close range shots. The light hollow points do the same when they hit fat, just spread out and stop. I just don't understand this tendacy to go so light on the 22 shells, now they are marketing 30 grain, I guess they are good for plinking, target shooting andsmall animals thought. The 60 grain Aguila is best for penetration and killing power, I would like to see a 50 or 55 grain, as the 60 grain drops like a rock at long ranges.

Tried some at the weekend.
50% of them hit the target sideways at 50 yards.
Standard rimfire twist is too slow for these big boys I am guessing.

I use the Aquila 60 grain subsonic for coon hunting, much more relaiable 1 shot kills than the lighter 22 bullets.

The problem with the light solid bullets when hunting an animal as large as a coon is they won't always penetrate the skull. Light hollow points <40gr won't penetrate at all. They are the worst to use on a coon. Even 40 gr hollow points are not good. I have a coffee cup in my garage with a bunch of flattened out howwow points that were found under the skin when skinning, and these are close range shots. The light hollow points do the same when they hit fat, just spread out and stop. I just don't understand this tendacy to go so light on the 22 shells, now they are marketing 30 grain, I guess they are good for plinking, target shooting andsmall animals thought. The 60 grain Aguila is best for penetration and killing power, I would like to see a 50 or 55 grain, as the 60 grain drops like a rock at long ranges.

I can tell you though that my brother found out that a very old remington super-x copper washed hollowpoint of IIRC 45 grains will through-and-through a very large, angry, and destructive feral cat at the sweet spot (just below and behind shoulders, through both lungs) at ~10 yards.

Never found the bullet, likely it didn't expand as from the dirt cloud it buried itsel fin a bank 5' behind.

I use Eley sub-sonics exclusively for squirrel hunting. Also to take the varmints that attack the garden and bother the dogs. Can be shot in town, and not a neighbor knows. :cool:

Here are two targets one with a Ruger 10-22 and the other with a Ruger 77-22. Both at 50 yards, leaning against the side of a tree for a rest. Note how the 77-22 keyholed everything. Not sure, but I would think Ruger would use the same twist in the rifleing. Needless to say, it was the 10-22 that raised holy-heck with the rodents that week.

10-22
http://www.angelfire.com/gundam/fullclip/images/10-22Sub.JPG

77-22
http://www.angelfire.com/gundam/fullclip/images/77-22Sub.JPG