Attached is a pic of a little test I did to compare 22LR, 22WMR and 17HMR damage in the same medium, which was professional modeling clay. I'm NOT saying modeling clay is like animal tissue; I'm NOT saying you should draw any conclusion from this test; I'm sharing it FYI only. Each target was shot at 50 yards, was the same thickness and the same height.
gunwriter

gunwriter,

Please give it another try. The attached file apparently didn't make it through! I'd love to see what you've done.

God Bless,

gunwriter,

Please give it another try. The attached file apparently didn't make it through! I'd love to see what you've done.

God Bless,

Marshall,

I've tried posting a couple of images (jpeg) but for some reason they don't stick. Don't know what I'm doing wrong; I follow the directions of browsing, selecting, and then adding the file, but they don't show up! If you want to send me an email at info@rimfirenews.com, I'll be glad to send it to you while I figure out what the problem is. Is there a certain file size that cannot be exceeded? If so, what is that size and I can reduce my images.

gunwriter

There's advice on posting pictures in this thread. The maximum size is 100,000 bytes, but there seems to be some overhead, so try to size them down to 80,000 bytes.
http://www.shootersforum.com/showthread.htm?t=8065

Bye
Jack

Attached is a pic of a little test I did to compare 22LR, 22WMR and 17HMR damage in the same medium, which was professional modeling clay. I'm NOT saying modeling clay is like animal tissue; I'm NOT saying you should draw any conclusion from this test; I'm sharing it FYI only. Each target was shot at 50 yards, was the same thickness and the same height.
gunwriter

I've reduced the size of the image and am trying once again to get it up on the message board.

gunwriter

Attached is a pic of a little test I did to compare 22LR, 22WMR and 17HMR damage in the same medium, which was professional modeling clay. I'm NOT saying modeling clay is like animal tissue; I'm NOT saying you should draw any conclusion from this test; I'm sharing it FYI only. Each target was shot at 50 yards, was the same thickness and the same height.
gunwriter

One more, one more time! This can't be this hard to do!!

gunwriter,

Please give it another try. The attached file apparently didn't make it through! I'd love to see what you've done.

God Bless,

Marshall,

Finally figured it out, with a little help from some friends on the site! Got it posted. My problem was that I was "clicking" too rapidly, not giving the program adequate time to process.

gunwriter

From other posts I've read, your results are about what I expected. I would like to see the same comparison at 100 & 150ys. The 22Mag gets better penetration, but the HMR expands very rapidly at shorter distances. I love the .17HMR, but am wondering how it compares to the 22Mag at longer ranges. I'm waiting for the Hornady's 20gr pill for the HMR, which should help at the longer distances.

Wondering the same thing. Got the use of a .17HRM for a couple of months (he got an overseas's contract..Otis elevator) so got to shoot the .22mag. and .17HRm side by side. The .17 has advanatges...smaller groups, better down range drop figures, explosive expansion at short ranges.

But once I got out to 125-150yards, both were kind of running on empty...the bullet expansion wasn't "explosive"...effects on live critters seemed about even.

Was noticably quieter than the .22hornet...that may be an advantage. Ignoring the cases isn't a good policy, sweeping them off the firing line is a bit easier than picking them up, but putting them in a hat as you eject them is easier still. Out in the field, still would be better not to leave them laying on the ground (do cows/horses really pick these thing up or inhale them?)...we have enough trouble with anti-gunners and land owners as it is.

Will have to see some tests of the new 20gr. load...is listed a good bit slower, and I've no solid information on the BC of the bullet, but expect the XTP form to not be as "sleek" as the poly-tiped ones.

From other posts I've read, your results are about what I expected. I would like to see the same comparison at 100 & 150ys. The 22Mag gets better penetration, but the HMR expands very rapidly at shorter distances. I love the .17HMR, but am wondering how it compares to the 22Mag at longer ranges. I'm waiting for the Hornady's 20gr pill for the HMR, which should help at the longer distances.

AZ223, if it ever quits raining here, I'll get out to the range and try the same tests at 100 and 125 yards. I'll post the results here as soon as I can get it together.

gunwriter

Most impressive, gunwriter -

Only shot paper with the .17HMR so far. Wondered how it stacked up to the .22WMR. Sorta eye opening, isn't it?

Pretty graphic display of on-target differences between the three cartridges! While the .22 Mag will still be a better choice for larger predatory vermin, that little .17 looks as though it will vaporize squirrel sized intruders!

Thanks for the report, and the pix!

God Bless,

AZ223, if it ever quits raining here, I'll get out to the range and try the same tests at 100 and 125 yards. I'll post the results here as soon as I can get it together. gunwriter
If you get tired of waiting, head over to AZ; it's 85 degrees here, only a few T-storms in the afternoon. My favorite time of year in these parts.

I like the idea of using modeling clay as a medium; seems like it'd be reusable? Not the same density as gel, but looks like it works well when comparing various loads/calibers.

If you get tired of waiting, head over to AZ; it's 85 degrees here, only a few T-storms in the afternoon. My favorite time of year in these parts.

I like the idea of using modeling clay as a medium; seems like it'd be reusable? Not the same density as gel, but looks like it works well when comparing various loads/calibers.

AZ,

Part of my territory, when I worked for IBM, was AZ. Loved the northern half of the state in the summer; loved the southern half in the spring and fall!

I use modeling clay for exactly the reason you give: it's reusable. It's not as messy and labor intensive as using stacks of wet newspaper.It's also less expensive than ballistic gelatin, and I don't have to keep it at a certain temperature.
I did find that "commercial grade" or "professional grade" clay was much better than the kind you get for kids to play with. Kid's clay is much too soft; it literally evaporates when the bullet hits it.

gunwriter

Most impressive, gunwriter -

Only shot paper with the .17HMR so far. Wondered how it stacked up to the .22WMR. Sorta eye opening, isn't it?

It really was an eye-opener to me, KDUB. I'd collected a few animals with it, and knew the theory of the operation of the V-Max bullet, but I couldn't really appreciate the explosive nature of it until I conducted this unscientific test! This test led me to do an autopsy on a squirrel and spend about 30 minutes poking around with a pair of tweezers, recovering the shrapnel. I've attached the picture of what I recovered AFTER I cleaned it all up!

gunwriter