I was looking at Winchester's website (www.winchester-guns.com) and noticed they have a new Timber carbine in .450 Marlin. Pistol grip stock, 18" ported barrel, half magazine, and a receiver peep sight, standard. Weight is listed at 6 pounds.

I've never fired a gun with a ported barrel, but from what I hear, I'd prefer it didn't have ports. Otherwise, this seems like a great little brush gun for bear, elk, etc. One may find it's way into my collection some day!

I didn't see anything else posted on these, so I thought I'd share.

Interesting! I haven't seen that one until you posted the note. It appears to be a well thought out rifle. Too, the Ashley XS ghost-ring sights and front post are a departure from the normal Winchester mentality, and a great addition to a factory rifle.... the Decelerator Recoil Pad too, they've put some thought into this one.... let's hope it isn't another of those "short run" rifles.

Here's the direct link to the gun on Winchester's Website.

http://www.winchester-guns.com/prodinfo/catalog/detail.asp?cat_id=534&type_id=105&cat=003C

Good Stuff!

God Bless,

Marshall,

Did you notice the receiver? :eek:

We have a .444 Timber rifle and are happy with everything except the ports!
The checkering is nice and coarse which I think helps to control the rifle in cold weather.
I like the pad! The rifle needs it for bench work.
My wife has a 9410 with tang safety. It is pretty unobtrusive. If you must have a safety this is probably the best way to have it.
Wolfe Publishing has the wildcats book which has an article on the .458 X 2" which should give some good performance estimates.

I forgot the sling swivels which are darn handy to have factory installed.

The ported barrel will be noticed mostly at the range especially if the shooting stations have a covered roof - VERY LOUD. Also loud for those that are in stations next to you. Ports do work, and out in the field while hunting it will be unnoticed. Some have said they can clog with lead when shooting cast bullets. I only shoot jacketed bullets so can't varify this claim. Remember this Timber Carbine weighs only 6 lbs. so the combination ported barrel, and Pachmayr recoil pad i'm sure will be greatly appreciated by the shooter.

What a gun! I am a little disapointed thatI went out and got my self a marlin 1895m awhile back. I wounder how much of a hit i'll take for a trade in?

The ports on my Timber rifle have not clogged from lead. they do get a little dirty but I try not worry about it!
In the U.S. we seem to want short and lite hunting rifles. I think Winchester has given us what we want. I wonder if it will sell. Personaly i have wanted a .458 X 2" for quite awhile. There is not much difference between the .45-70 and the 2" but I try not to let that cloud my thinking!
I think Winchester has produced a field ready package.
Cowboy, keep the Marlin and compare the two side bny side. That will make a good report!

I like that "semi-pistol" grip - looks good! Probably functional, though I seem to like my straight stocks better than the PG.

I REALLY like the looks of the Mdl 94 Legacy: http://www.winchester-guns.com/prodinfo/catalog/detail.asp?cat_id=534&type_id=086&cat=003C

.45 Colt in a 24" tube? WOW!

Funny thing about that pistol grip.... I think I handle recoil just a little better with it than a straight stock. I have a .45-70 Guide Gun also so it is a similar comparion.
At the bench if care is not taken the Winchester pistol grip lever will sometimes pinch my hand. Not enough for a blood blister but it gets my attention. this has never happened offhand.
A lot of our deer hunting is around chained brush that has been allowed to grow back up. "Short Ceader". It is thick and the shots are quick. My 16" .30-30 Winchester Trapper with straight stock and forward mounted 2X scope is pretty fast. I generaly have an old 2X Weaver with a five min. Lee dot on the Timber rifle. It is quick but I am not certain that it is as handy as the straight stock Trapper. I have used the Trapper a LOT more though.
Anyone with a Legacy or Timber rifle ever get their hand pinched?

I have to say that i like the looks of this new Winchester. I wish it had a 22" barrel and no barrel band but I am probably alone in that thought.

I could live with a capped forend. I have a Marlin 1895, and like it alot with the short mag tube and capped forend.

For me the Winchester Model 64 with 24" barrel and reciever sight was the "Deer" rifle. Thats what they named it.
My favorite hunting author Francis Sell liked the Model 64, 65 and the model 71. All have a similar appearance.
One of my hunting Uncles preffered his long barreled Savage M-99 in .300 Savage. That may be why I like the .307 in the Big Bore winchesters.
I think my ideal lever hunting rifle at this moment would be a .307 Big Bore built on the lines of the Model 64. The Winchesters are light and thin -easy to carry, and I think the longer barrel helps me swing on a moving target.
The important thing about this new Winchester is that it appears ready to hunt right out of the box. I think my only complaint would be the rounded bead front sight. I could file it flat as Chris Cash did with his or hunt for a gold insert Sourdough.

Looking at the picture on Winchester's web site, I don't see a cross bolt safety. Does this new Timber carbine not have the safety or is the picture so dark that it doesn't show?

Tang safety.

It's less ugly but still not.......

My two '86s and my '92 all have tang safeties, and I don't mind them. While at the range I've let the hammer fall on them a few times - which wouldn't be good in the field, of course, but now that I've gotten used to disengaging them before firing it's no big deal.

I really like my Timber Carbine 444. I hunt in Maine and stay pretty much to the thick stuff. For a mobile hunter who stays on his feet all day and can encounter deer with less than ideal shot angles, this gun is a great fit. I've carried quite a few different guns up there over 21 years, but this one really seems to address my needs. I used an Ashley peep two years ago, but put a little Leupold on it for this past season. It still carries like a charm. Never been pinched by the lever. The ONLY issue I have is that with the low scope rings, your thumb has to stay on the hammer extension at all times, or you will fumble for it when the action comes quick. It's a little tight under there... This gun will stick around in my cabinet for a long time I think....

That is a nice looking rifle. I usually like straight stocks too but my 1886 Extra-Lite in 45-90 raps my knuckles inside the lever when shooting heavy loads from the bench. Wonder if this would cure that problem? Need to find an 1886 glove lever if anyone knows where to get one let me know!