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Bluesman
03-16-2004, 04:56 PM
Hay chevyrulesz1 -

My very first center-fire rifle was a Moisin Nagant. Actually it was my first SIX center-fire rifles. Mu mom got a great deal on six rifles that had been taken apart, thrown into a box and were sold as-is for $12.00.
It took me a couple of weeks to strip every screw and part down to components, clean them all, pick the best parts, and assemble one rifle. The fronmt sights were missing from all of the barrels so I took a nail, cut it off a little higher than I thought it should be, filed down opposite sides of the nailhead, filed those "flats to fit the dovetail on tyhe barrel and drove her in with a hammer and brass rod.

I had gotten my grubby little hands on a case of 250 rounds of surplus ammo which I turned into what I th0ught might work as "hunting ammo." IO sawed off 3mm of the tip of the steel jacket and, using one of my fathers jewlers drill, drilled a "hollow point" in the whole batch. For a 12 year old kid I did a pretty nice job, if I do say so myself.

I hitchiked (When I was 12 you could hitchike with a rifle over your shoulder and a saack full of ammo as long as the dino=saurs didn't eat you !) out to the Clairton Sportsman's Club near Pittsburgh and got ready to try out my new rifle.

I was smart enough to bring along a couple of jewlers files ( My dad was a jewelery manufacturer so tools were always at hand.) so that I could trim down the shiny nail-sight that I'd made.

It's hard for even me to believe and I was there, but in an hour that old Russian rifle was shooting to point of aim at 100 yards. My groups were nothing to write home about, but ant deer that strayed in front of that shiny nail was meat in the pot.

I did, later, use Perma-Blue to darken the sight and this tightened the groups up to - as I remember - about two inchs. That was when I could still see like a hawk. Today I'm an old man with old eyes and scopes are the best sighting equipment for me.

I shot only one deer with that lovingly converted military ball ammo, well three deer actually. I hit the buck and the bullet killled two doe that were several yards apart and a good piece behind the buck. Lessons learned? Ball ammo don't expand no matter how pretty it looks with a hand made hollow point, and gutting and dragging three deer out of the woods is more work than any 13 year old kid shoulkd have to do on his first deer hunt.

Several more deer fell to that rifle, but I splurged and bought two boxes of Norma ammunition that expanded. I wish I had that rifle today, but it was traded off for a Winchester .32-20 with a smooth bore. I had that one turned into a .357 magnum because I thought, way back there in the late 1950s, that the .357 was a real butt kicking round. Well I learned a few things over the years - and it all started with that Old Russian. Enjoy it!

Terry

Rigby275
03-27-2004, 07:46 PM
Hi bluesman -

Wonderful story - thanks a lot. :-)
Sounds kinda like me back when.

regards,

Bluesman
03-28-2004, 06:04 AM
Hi bluesman -

Wonderful story - thanks a lot. :-)
Sounds kinda like me back when.

regards,

It's somehow a shame that kids today get a brand-spanny new Remington 710 and never have the chance to experience what we did - back when.

My guess is that to many "youngsters" have grown up in a world where whatever comes "right out of the box" in any field of endevor or interest - from rifles to politics - is just supposed to work as is. They don't get the message that all of life is hands on, and that if you want to make it better than it is you gotta get a little dirt on your hands and DO IT YOURSELF.

Ahhh, the lessons learned from living, not consuming, your life are to be cherished.

Best !

Terry

nfmMike
04-02-2004, 10:19 AM
It's somehow a shame that kids today get a brand-spanny new Remington 710 and never have the chance to experience what we did - back when.

My guess is that to many "youngsters" have grown up in a world where whatever comes "right out of the box" in any field of endevor or interest - from rifles to politics - is just supposed to work as is. They don't get the message that all of life is hands on, and that if you want to make it better than it is you gotta get a little dirt on your hands and DO IT YOURSELF.

Ahhh, the lessons learned from living, not consuming, your life are to be cherished.

Best !

Terry

I agree with you - luckily enough, the rifle I would like to pass on to my daughter when the time is right, is a .32 WS, and although the rounds are available, I am going to reload for it - expense and fun you know. Well, my daughter is looking forward to that too, she got to see the rifling last night, and got an explaination of what the chamber and bore looked like, and how the bullet travels through the barrel. She has no qualms working for something good - I musta done something right, God bless my daughter!

whitehunter35
04-06-2004, 05:56 AM
Blu, and all.

I looked over one of these rifles that other day fairly closely, and was interested in slot on the north side of the bolt. I have no doubt that this is to facilitate clip feeding, but can't remember ever seeing any of the clips. Do they put you in mind of an SKS type clip? I'm guessing they hold five rounds, is this right as you understand it?

I working a little research for a paper that I have to write, and may just go out and buy a few to work out a little with them. Any observations that you would have about this rifle, I would be most grateful.

Thanks.

Steve

mikej
04-17-2004, 01:15 PM
I was curious about them as well, especially after seeing the movie "Enemy At The Gates" and couldn't resist buying one. I got a Hungarian made "arsenal refinished" M44 that has all parts matching, if that means anything.

In shooting, the iron sights were hard to use (I'm 47, and old eye syndrome is creeping up rapidly) and I could only shoot pie plate sized groups @ 100 yds. I went out and bought an S&K Instamount and rings. That is a scope mount that attaches to the existing rear sight fixture. After mounting a Burris 2.75 Scout scope, the groups shrunk to 2" @ 100 yds. This is with 200 gr Wolf factory FMJ's! I was surprised, to say the least, and am ordering some Hornady 7.62x54 brass to see what handloads will do. One thing that will save you some frustration, and that is to either extend the bayonet, or remove it, as it throws the POI off if left folded. I removed mine.

chevyrulez1
04-17-2004, 01:31 PM
Yes, the bolt is milled to receive stripper clips. They are similar in design and function to sks stripper clips, but they are slightly different due to the rimmed cartridge. I haven't bought any stripper clips for my rifle yet, but will look for them at the next gunshow. There is a problem with the rifle when the rim on the top cartridge in the magazine gets hung behind the rim on the cartridge below it. I have had this happen several times with mine, and am curious as to whether the strippers would eliminate this "operator error". :p

There is a great deal of historical and other data on the website http://www.mosin-nagant.net/

T.R.
04-24-2004, 06:18 AM
The safety is awkward and stock is somewhat un-attractive but these Russian rifles are typically quite accurate. I'm told the Finns reworked thousands at the SAKO factory in late 1930's. These are supposed to be the best of all.
TR

m141a
04-25-2004, 10:15 AM
I've got a M38 carbine[similar to the M44 but with out the Bayo] That shoots really well and like Mike J had to have one after "enemy at the Gates". but my obsession took me a step further, and i now have a 91/30 sniper on it's way with an original PU scope.
The M38 shoots really well for a firearm made in haste back in 1943. The finish is rough machining, but the bore is bright and sharp. I've made a habit of throwing patches saturated with Windex down the bore after every trip to the range, corrosive or not. I have some light 123 grain round nose "training" rounds that are so much fun to shoot you can almost overlook the one real flaw of the rifle...the trigger. The M38 is about 19 feet of creep and a 25 pound pull. I've shot other Nagant's, they too have a tendency to have less than stellar triggers.