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JnAlaska
04-18-2004, 10:12 PM
I have been shooting Buffalo Bore 350 grain flat nose bullets and have been cleaning the rifle with sweets solvent. To the naked eye I can still see copper fouling near the end of the barrel in all the rifling grooves. In cleaning the rifle it comes out clean. The gun shoots fairly well at 100 yards. Is the copper fouling (that I cannot seem to remove) normal? Should I worry about? I have also tried Hopps #9 copper remover. Any info is appreciated.
cliff355
04-19-2004, 06:31 AM
JN:
If you want to get that copper out of there, you might try "Wipe-out." cleaner. It squirts into the bbl. like shaving cream and is left in overnight. Your patch will come out dark blue from dissolved copper in the morning, if there was copper present.
Ditto!! WipeOut is an awesome product.
DocWills
04-19-2004, 03:26 PM
I still use Hoppes. clean and wait one day or so and return to remove the remainder. I never remove ALL the fouling, just almost all as it helps a bit in shooting accurately. but a third treatment of hoppes removes to bare metal witha good brass brush.
Kragman71
04-19-2004, 06:05 PM
I have been shooting Buffalo Bore 350 grain flat nose bullets and have been cleaning the rifle with sweets solvent. To the naked eye I can still see copper fouling near the end of the barrel in all the rifling grooves. In cleaning the rifle it comes out clean. The gun shoots fairly well at 100 yards. Is the copper fouling (that I cannot seem to remove) normal? Should I worry about? I have also tried Hopps #9 copper remover. Any info is appreciated.
JnAlaska,
I've tried different solvents,but the best for removing copper is Barnes' CR#10.I don't use it for general cleaning,it's too strong,and expensive.
I woulde'nt worryabout the barrel;some barrels just collect copper fouling.And another thing,some bullets really foul the barrel.Try some different bullets,and see if there is less fouling.
Frank
JnAlaska
04-19-2004, 07:27 PM
Thanks to all who responded!
JnAlaska
04-20-2004, 07:41 PM
I ran down to Sportsman Warehouse last night and picked some up. Sprayed it in the barrel and let is sit 1.5 hours. Just standing on end the blue copper fouling was draining out! I ran a patch through and did that one more time. It is as clean as a whistle with no more visible copper fouling. I am sold on this stuff! Thanks to all that responded!
wyonative
04-21-2004, 09:28 AM
I ran down to Sportsman Warehouse last night and picked some up. Sprayed it in the barrel and let is sit 1.5 hours. Just standing on end the blue copper fouling was draining out! I ran a patch through and did that one more time. It is as clean as a whistle with no more visible copper fouling. I am sold on this stuff! Thanks to all that responded!
I am assuming you're talking about Wipe Out?
Rmouleart
04-21-2004, 09:46 AM
I also use wipeout/hoppies for fouling, then after its clean of fouling, I get out the flitz and hand lap the barrel, Now we are talking clean after maybe 5 patches even after the wipeout, the patches come out black and then fade to a light brown, till the last patch is clear. works for me, I noticed bye using the flitz, especially in the bigbore revolvers, the fouling is diminished greatly over time. i also noticed more fouling than usual using the Hornady XTP .452 in my 454 Casull but as long as it can come out I don't mind, One day after shooting them XTP's I put a borelight down the barrel, to find the barrel looked like a copper barrel, I could believe how much impregnates into the barrel when not lapped, thats when I started lapping my barrels with Flitz. Aim small hit small. RAMbo.
SnookKatcher
04-23-2004, 12:30 PM
Rmouleart, how are you going about handlapping your barrels with the Flitz? I have a 1895GS that is N.I.B./unfired, and I would like to lap the barrel before shooting it. Thanks, Lee.
Double D
04-23-2004, 06:43 PM
I also use wipeout/hoppies for fouling, then after its clean of fouling, I get out the flitz and hand lap the barrel, Now we are talking clean after maybe 5 patches even after the wipeout, the patches come out black and then fade to a light brown, till the last patch is clear. works for me, I noticed bye using the flitz, especially in the bigbore revolvers, the fouling is diminished greatly over time. i also noticed more fouling than usual using the Hornady XTP .452 in my 454 Casull but as long as it can come out I don't mind, One day after shooting them XTP's I put a borelight down the barrel, to find the barrel looked like a copper barrel, I could believe how much impregnates into the barrel when not lapped, thats when I started lapping my barrels with Flitz. Aim small hit small. RAMbo.
The Flizt idea sounds good to me too. How do you go about the hand lapping with it and have you found it necessary to lap after every cleaning?
Rmouleart
04-23-2004, 08:53 PM
The flitz comes in a paste tube, like tooth paste , the way I hand lap the barrel, I use the right size jag for the cal and some jag patches,cover the patch with flitz a good coat, run it through the barrel,make sure the patch is tight to get into the rifling, It should come out dirty, let it sit for about twenty minuets for it to set in, then proceed with clean patches one after another until you get hardly nothing on the patches,you will be amazed how much crap comes out, then I put one more patch through using the flitz and run the process over, then buff the barrel with clean patches, you will feel the smoothness over come the feeling of the jags drag, it will feel like no resistance, then give a look with a bore light, and it will shine like it never did.
Question on how long between rehand lapping: you will know when cleaning becomes difficult to do, then it is time to hand lap again, fouling is diminished when using flitz, I noticed this the most using the SRH 454 Casull, due to the stuck case factor;)
I found bye polishing the cylinders and barrel, it took twice as long to foul, or longer, cleaning became much easy as well, I seem to be handlaping about every 4th cleaning, not only does flitz due well on the barrel it is great for polishing any part of the gun,Note:good on smoothing triggers/sears/disconnecter's and serves to protect ageist moister and corrosion,finger prints etc...The flitz is made in Sweden. Hope this helps. Aim small hit small. RAMbo.
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