Sorry, Tom -

Tried to split off the dove hunting posts from this thread and in the process, lost the ones that were trigger pull related only. Haven't quite figured out what happened to the first posts - gone to the great ethernet in the sky, I suppose!

You'll find the remainder of the discussion down in the Southwest Hunting forum, since the bulk of the discussion was on dove hunting and ways to prepare them.

kdub

bad /dev/null. Down boy, down! *cracks whip*

I killed a whole thread once accidentally. Stuff happens!!! :)

I killed a whole thread once accidentally. Stuff happens!!! :)

Moderators should moderate moderately. You folks may be running the ragged edge of suppression; killing the zero tolerance thread in anticipation of a problem, then shifting this one around and losing content; and then having a fellow moderator dismiss the loss with a "stuff happens" comment. Maybe you should all revisit your job description to make sure you haven't gone adrift. . .

gunwriter

Sorry, Tom -

Tried to split off the dove hunting posts from this thread and in the process, lost the ones that were trigger pull related only. Haven't quite figured out what happened to the first posts - gone to the great ethernet in the sky, I suppose!

You'll find the remainder of the discussion down in the Southwest Hunting forum, since the bulk of the discussion was on dove hunting and ways to prepare them.

kdub
Actually, the thread started with my asking how to cure a shotgun trigger finger when it comes to rifles later in the year
after dove season. How it morphed into "how to cook Dove" I'll never know, but it was fun anuway.
Tom

Moderators should moderate moderately. You folks may be running the ragged edge of suppression; killing the zero tolerance thread in anticipation of a problem, then shifting this one around and losing content; and then having a fellow moderator dismiss the loss with a "stuff happens" comment. Maybe you should all revisit your job description to make sure you haven't gone adrift. . .

gunwriter

It's harder than it sounds, LOL, I can assure you of that.... especially when there is a site with a lot more anarchy that goes under, and a bunch of them end up here. Ask us how we know that... :D

The thread I lost was on how to accurize a Mini-14, which as you can imagine, the most popular suggestion was to buy an AR. So I managed to condense 14 or 15 posts down into a single sentence, and saved space on the server :) It all works out in the end.

It's harder than it sounds, LOL, I can assure you of that.... especially when there is a site with a lot more anarchy that goes under, and a bunch of them end up here. Ask us how we know that... :D

The thread I lost was on how to accurize a Mini-14, which as you can imagine, the most popular suggestion was to buy an AR. So I managed to condense 14 or 15 posts down into a single sentence, and saved space on the server :) It all works out in the end.

Well keep up the good work and I'll try to behave as well
T

Kdub,

Is this the thread you split off and thought you lost?

http://www.shootersforum.com/showthread.htm?t=11984

If so we can just merge it back with this one.

Ain't computers fun? Actually - I can find the mini-14 thread. It's just that only the moderators can see it, for some reason. Had to delete some nasty comments at the time from someone we had to boot off of the forum and somehow never got it right. Oh well... we got 76,000+ other posts to chat about....

Yup - that's it! We need to make that a stand-alone thread - not merged with the one already slotted in the Southwest Hunting forum.

OK, it's still in the General forum - what I think happened when you split it off, is that it got pushed back a couple of pages (due to the posts you moved being older) and then it looked like it disappeared.

If anyone replies to it, it should bubble back to the top.... that's my theory anyway.

I'll try and get you guys back on the trigger pull issue KDub. I just got a Ruger M77 mark II target grey, I haven't shot it yet and don't know about the trigger pull. If needed is it a simple proceedure for a gunsmith to adjust it? It may be fine, I don't know. I just got my new scope and bullets so I should find out soon. While researching what kind of a gun I wanted to buy I saw some of the guns had adjustable triggers. (Savage, CZ and others) I liked the Ruger but wish it would have had the adjustable trigger but it didn't.

Personally, i think the moderators do a great job! they are always insightful and have never lead me astray. And, I happen to agree with MikeG. Stuff happens, Moderators (whatever kind of gun geniuses they be) are all human and mistakes happen and dealing with computer technology just make thing more complicated. If they have to close a thread now and then to keep things from going to heck in a handbasket in a hurry, so be it, this forum is one of the best i have ever seen and it is because of the Moderators! Well done and keep up the good work!

P.S. No offense gunwriter, i just thought you came down a little hard on the guys and i wanted to let them know that there work is appreciated by me.

P.S.S. I like a nice 2.5-3lb trigger pull on a varmint rifle and about 4 - 4.5lb on a hunting rifle. It usually takes me 6 or 8 shots of concentrated effort to change trigger pull methods between shotgun and rifle. The truest test of my rifle trigger finger is with my bow actually, if i am getting a nice smooth release with the release on my bow, i know i will be ok with the rifle

My reply (to the moderater) was taken much more serious than I had written it to be. I am certainly not upset about anything, I was only a little miffed. I apologize for any misunderstandings.

I have to agree with Mike G, wholeheartedly on this one. They have a lot to deal with, much less trying to keep this a clean family based website that most can say they are proud to be a part of. I was involved in one of the threads that had to be locked out and deleted. I still think it was a good move on Mikes part.
There has been alot of new folks come over here and start the same "stuff" they had going on the other sites that were closed down for whatever reason, that is a big part of why I rarely post here any more.
I occassionally look around here but that is all.
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK MODERATORS!

John a.k.a. halfbreed

I agree on the political issues. It has caused a big riff between my Boston sister and I.
It seems like people just get out of hand with it sometimes.

BAck to trigger pull.

Kleingunther use to make beautiful rifles. One of the features that they utilized for accuracy was a solid steel rod with the firing pin on the end of it. This was activated by the trigger pull, and eliminated lag time between the trigger sear activating the firing pin.

This must have worked because they made very accurate rifles.

Different rifle action manufacturers make firing pin activation slower or faster based on the size , thickness, or length of their firing pin spring. I wish that I knew the lag time between different manufacturers mechanisms.

On an empty chamber, when I pull the trigger, my mausers sound like the pin is going to come through the bolt head.
Remingtons sound like something is loose when pulled on an empty chamber, so do Winchesters. The Weatherbys to me sound better when the firing pin whacks the bolt head, but do any of them have a shorter lag time. I don't know.

Seems to me that the time between when I pull the trigger and when the rifle actually goes off, is the time it takes me to move an inch off target.

Remington has come up with the Etronic, and I would like to know if anyone has used them.

I realize this is petty but I do think it effects my accuracy.

Inquiring minds want to know!

I have heard that the remington 788 has the fastest lock time on a rifle, at least at one time. but really, when you get down to milliseconds, how many milliseconds does it take to make a noticeable difference in accuracy (kinda like, how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop. No one really knows) good luck

tpv,
Somewhere in Jim Carmichel's 'Book of the Rifle' he lists the lock times for the M98, Remington's 700, Winchester's M70, the Winchester M52, and a few others. I think it's in the chapter discussing triggers. He wrote this back in the 80's and was already working with a few firms developing electronic ignition systems for rifles. Wasn't too long after that Voere introduced their electronic ignition 223 rifles and caseless ammo. Turned out to be a huge flop. Remington tried it with Etronix, which Carmichel supported, but so far the shooting public (including myself) isn't too interested.

Lock time will play a part in inaccuracy, but not to a great degree. Heck - look at the lock time for an exposed hammer gun!

The thing that will really affect accuracy is a tough trigger pull or an inconsistent trigger pull. Having to tug strongly or having to follow through a long, gritty pull on a trigger will cause more large groups than a comparative long lock time.

I agree with kdub 100%, but also a light trigger in the field can be very dangerous at times as well. I think nothing less than 3 1/2 pounds, no more than 5 1/2 pounds for me. If you get the trigger too light and your saftey is not on, the rifle may discharge bye bumping it bye accedent. Aim small hit small. RAMbo.