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Taylor
05-17-2004, 11:54 AM
I would like to find out the average shooting distance for deer, the rifle used (or bow), and the method used. Last year I killed two deer. One at about 18 yards (30-30) and one at about 40 yards ( 50 cal muzzle loader). I like to hunt tickets. And, I like to hunt from the ground.
Come out to this country pardner, and they'll be anywhere from 50 yds to 400 yds.
ribbonstone
05-17-2004, 03:03 PM
Depends...but in the deep stuff I like to hunt, 40 to 85 yards is most common (and moving isn't all that uncommon).
flinch444
05-17-2004, 03:14 PM
Like Kdub said, I think average range depends on what kind of counry your hunting.
I have done most of my hunting in North Idaho, and although there can be some long shots, the farthest ive ever taken a deer was about 125yds. Most are under 60yds. but thats only because of the thick, brushy $#!t holes that I end up hunting. The deer around here are pretty smart, they get hunted alot, and rarely get caught out in the open, atleast by me.
Terry Black
05-18-2004, 05:39 AM
Terrain is definatly the range setter. My deer country has laurrel so thick you can crawl on hands and knees to see five yards. Crest a wooded hill and walk out onto a powerline to see 1/2 mile .
Most of the hunting,(posted on a stump),in the woods is under 75yds. Western Penn. deer are pretty savy, and seldom give you more than one shot.
Most of the guys in camp have tagged deer over the years with everything from 6.5's>>>>>8mm sporters. But the .30-30,.35Rem, and the .30-06 still seem to find a place on the gun racks of most deer camps.
FullClip
05-18-2004, 07:28 AM
Don't think there is a good answer for this one as to many variables. Terrain and tree growth as previously mentioned and especially the type of hunting you're doing. Sitting on the power lines, or trying to sneak through the brush??
If I had to put numbers on mine, I'd say it would be about 100 yards, as I've only gotten 3 deer in my life (usually working away from home during the season). But two have been within 50 yards. (still hunting along old tote roads) and one 200 yards across a field where I had plenty of time and a good rest on an old fence post. (just walking back to the truck and happened to be at the right place at the right time, deer was too busy looking behind him at something in the wood to enven notice me)
Up my way, the 30-30s, .35 Rems and 30-06s bring in the most meat. I use a BLR in .308, just because I like it and have a few .308 "target rifles". I'd thought about going to a .44 lever gun gun or auto after the first two close ones, but would not have been able to take the one longer shot with confidence if I'd done so. So for me it's better to carry something a little flatter shooting than needed for those rare instances when luck happens.
Pa shooter
05-18-2004, 08:49 AM
I have killed a good number of deer, a few more with the bow than with the gun. My average for bowkills is less than 15 yds, with the farthest being just under 25 yds. For rifle hunting I'd say my average is in the 60 yd range with a long of 225 yds(measured).
The many variables are what makes deer hunting interesting. Here in California the conditions can also vary from manzanita and deer brush that you can't see or crawl through, to open canyons with nearly unlimited vistas. Unfortunately, in my opinion, the seasons are way too early in California. We are forced to hunt when temperatures can hover above the century mark for days on end. That's another interesting variable.
i have only shot one buck at a 300+ yard distance. I was shooting my scope sighted Browning B-78, 30-06. Most of our shots are taken at 150 yards or less. The last buck i killed was only 80 yds away. Also, I usually hunt with an open sighted 1886 Winchester, the caliber of which is determined by the terrain and conditions of the day. Understanding your rifle's capabilities and not exceeding them is a key component to a successful outing. :D
MM
I'm a youngster when it comes to deer hunting and I've only killed 3 in my day, all with a smooth bore shotgun and slugs, the first was at 75 yards, the last two about 50 yards each.
Interesting post!
During my younger days, I killed 7 or 8 deer with a bow at about a 15 yard average. They do get nervous at that range.
But with rifle, I set up my shots at about 200 yards. The reason is that the deer, especially bucks are skidish, and the farther away they are, the calmer they are. Since I hunt the same 5-6 stands all year, by the end of season the bucks usually have you patterned. That's why I set up my shots a long way out.
I need: A good rifle, good scope, great rest, even at 200 yards.
My average shots at deer and pigs are about 150 - 200.
A few doe have been shot at past 300 yards but that was just
fooling around, "field testing a rifle"
I would prefer a 40 yard shot but if the right buck stepped out at 400 yards, I would take the shot. That is no guaranty of a hit for me at that range but I try to control all of the variables that would go against me.
Know your rifle, and have a good rest, and say three Hail Marys!
Good Luck
Tom
Big Bore
05-18-2004, 11:17 AM
I hunt woods, fields, pipelines...and shots can range from feet to as far as you can shoot. In 35 years of deer hunting, longest shot has been under 50 yards.
mattpair
05-18-2004, 11:21 AM
Well, when I'm hunting green fields with my Grandfather the shot distance ranges from 100 to about 250yds so I use a Browning BAR in .270 with a Leupold 3x10x50mm scope. My grandfather and uncle both swear by their 30-06's one a Browning A-bolt and the other a semauto remington. Here we are hunting from shooting houses or climbing tree stands.
When I'm hunting with my brother-in-law on our small lease, its all hardwoods where you might have a 150yd shot from hill top to hill top, but mostly under 100yds is the norm. My brother-in-law uses a Marlin Guide gun in 45-70 with bushnell scope. Occasionally his brother hunts there and brings a Browning A-Bolt in .280 with 3-9 burriss scope. When I'm here I use my Marlin 444 with the XS leverscout mount sporting a Burris 2.5x scout scope and XS ghost ring as a back up. I look forward to getting to use my new Marlin 1894 in 44mg here this season. I won't put a scope on it though, it will stick with the factory irons or possibly a peep. In this area we hunt 90% from the ground be it sitting on a stump ontop of a hill looking over a section of young hardwoods or slowly stalking by foot. This last method is one that i'm just starting to learn, sad to say stalking by foot is almost a lost art among hunters I've been around in the south. I really enjoy quitly slipping through the woods. I feel like I am really HUNTING instead of watching and waiting. But when it comes down to it, any day in the woods with any gun or bow is better than any day just about anywhere else.
Kragman71
05-18-2004, 11:56 AM
My closest kill was at 20 feet;the longest was 200 yards.
Most of my hunting is in the 'Woods',and the average range for a shot woud be around 60 yards.
Frank
Taylor
05-18-2004, 12:23 PM
OK. So far the rifles have been 30-30, 270, 280, 30-06, 308, 444, 45-70, and muzzle loader. It is hard to tell the method, but it appears to be more ground hunters than tree stands or box stands. The people telling the actual distance for actual kills last year, appear to be mostly under 100 yards. A couple mentioned 100 yards plus. When we get a few more answers, I will try to break it down by rifle type, method and distance.
Kragman71
05-18-2004, 12:40 PM
Taylor,
Sorry for not including all the details that you wanted.
The vast majority of kills were with a sporterized Spingfield Krag 30/40.That included all the longest shots,as well as the shortest shot.
A few were taken with the 270 and the 30/30.
All shots were from the ground,and most from a 'stand'.
Frank
ribbonstone
05-18-2004, 03:06 PM
OK...will try to break it down farther.
.401WSL (210gr.JHP-.406"-1925fps) / apature sights / 58yards / 2 shots...no movement after shot 1, but didn't fall until shot 2...both shots through heart/lung area
.50/70 (450gr. LFP - .514" -1100fps) / open sights / 66 yards / one shot, fell at the shot...shot through heart/lung and off shoulder.
.38/55 (250gr. LFP - .380" - 1700fps)/ apature sights /80yards / two rapid shots-moving deer...both shots through lungs, too are back for heart.
.38-55 (250gr. LFP - .380" - 1700fps) / apature sights / 30yards / one shot (head)
No bullets recovered...now that I think about it, seems I've been moving towards the "make sure of an exit" philosophy as the years passed.
Combat Diver
05-18-2004, 04:05 PM
Taylor, here's my results.
1. Texas Doe/75 yds/early morning/M1903A1 Springfield 30-06/Rem 150 Corlokt PSP/ 1 shot/Elevated deer stand
2. Texas Doe/300 yds/last 10 min of legal day/FN FAL .308 w/2.5x scope/Rem 150 Corlokt PSP/1 shot/Elevated deer stand (was trying a handgun hunt)
3. Texas Dall Ram/150 yds/mid day/Sauer 90 .270 w/2.5-8x scope/Win 130 gr PSP/1 shot/still hunting
4. Texas Dall Ram/125yds/mid day/ Sauer 90 .270 w/2.5-8x scope/Win 130 gr PSP/2 shot/still hunting
5. Kentucky Doe/20 yds/mid day, light rain/Browning A5 12 ga/1 oz slug/1 shot/tree stand
6. Kentucky Doe/25 yds/late morning/Sauer 90 .270 w/2.5-8x scope/Win 130 gr PSP/1 shot/tree stand
7. Kentucky Buck/35yds/sunset/Rem 870 .20 ga/slug/1 shot/tree stand
8. Kentucky Buck/50yds/afternoon/Ruger 77 30-06/Fed 150 PSP Classic/1 shot/ tree stand
All shots were shoulder shots and thru and thrus. The one Dall first shot was abit further back in the stomach and required followup.
James Gates
05-19-2004, 07:57 AM
This is a very interesting and informative thread! It is also one that should read, instead of some of the BS the rag writers push to sell the latest "whizbang" cartridges.
In 1972, while working for the gun companies, we did a long research on the subject. Some interesting facts surface! Where most had thought of the West for deer, etc.....i turned out that the Southeast had by far the largest number of deer kills. We now see most of the states in the Southeast having no season limit on deer. Most season almost three months. Another surprise was that the average distance, nationwise, was around 75 yards. We our friends have said here about where you hunt is very important! Most of the southeast, except powerlines, etc., is hardwood forest. There is little need, if any, for the longrange magnum calibers. The ever popular .308 Win. is favored in many areas. Down in the low country, the .44 Mag. Marlins are everywhere, replacing the .30-30's. I have quite a few friends that kill 5 to 8 deer a year. Many use .44 Mags., 35 Remintons, .308's, and a few .30-06. The main concern is what you can shoot best.
Keep it simple............James
Paul Nichols
05-19-2004, 08:21 AM
The longest kill on deer I made was about 140 yds on a whitetail doe with 243, 105 gr. bullets, as I was laying on top of a haystack. Made one kill with a 58 muzzleloader (roundball), at over 90 yds offhand, (probably luck shot). Made an over 100 yd kill on a muley does at over 100 with a 54 muzzle loader (roundball)-definately a lucky head shot. Was younger then and dumber (or at least I hope so, as I would not try those shots now with a front stuffer.) Most shots however have been under 100 yds, closest under 35, on foot, offhand, rested when I could with 30-30, 243, 7x57, and 06.
Good thread.
Paul
Jayhawker
05-19-2004, 10:48 AM
Most of my shots at deer have been around 75 yards and that's hunting the creek bottoms and field fencelines in Eastern Kansas. I imagine the longest shot I've ever taken at game wasn't much over 120 yards, if that. Most shots have been with my 444 Marlin, but I've used a 300 Savage and 303 British on occasion.
hatch
05-19-2004, 11:05 AM
Closest was three yards with a .280, longest was over 350 yards, still with a .280. I hunt mostly from a stand, and average shot distance is in the 75-125 yard bracket, although occasionally i'll get a very long shot over a field. I use several rifles, .260, 7x57, 7-08, .30-30, .35 Rem, .308, '06, 300WM, .50 muzzleloader, .45-70, 7.65 Arg, etc, etc, but for the long shots will always use the .280, '06, or 300WM..
Nimrod
05-19-2004, 05:02 PM
For whitetails,
My longest shot with rifle, .308 was 225 yards. The rest with 7X57 mauser have been 50, 60, 60, 25 yards.
Shotgun, 12 ga. slugs only, 135, 78, 30, 25, 70, 90, 110, 112, 25, 70, 40, 30, 20, 25, 50, 70, 60 yards.
Muzzle loader .50 cal conicals, 40, 15, 40, 65, 70, 60, 60, 50, 20, 70, 25, 60, 25, 25, 40, 50, 50, 50, 50, 105, 85, 30 yards.
hoeram
05-19-2004, 07:00 PM
Ok I am the one who is the odd ball in this, 3 whitetail all with a .257 WBY mag on a 700 Rem action 1 with a .358 STA wanted to see how bad it would damage a smaller animal. Distances where 2 deer at about 100 yds 1 at 230 yds and the STA deer was 40 yds and the damage was'nt any worse. Where I live we have alot of open farm land and lodge pole pine woods so distances can be 500 yds. plus to 40 yds. Most of the blacktail I shot where with a 25-06 100 yds to around 300, we hunted mostly clear cuts and canyons.
naumann
05-19-2004, 08:49 PM
I have taken most of my deer with a garden variety scoped 30-06 Mdl. 700 manufactured in the 1960's. I don't keep records but seems that most would fall in the 50 - 75 yd. range. For 30 years all my hunting was in hardwood timber in Missouri. Since '91 I have hunted Wyoming and Missouri. My basic technique for all big game is to still-hunt. My goal is always to "hunt close" so when my shots come they are usually pretty moderate range.
That being said, I have taken a few deer with Mdl. 94 30-30 and 35 Whelen Rem. 700 Classic. Oddly, my longest deer kill was a forkhorn Mulie last year at about 200 yds. with a scoped Marlin 336 in 35 Rem. and 200 gr. factory ammo.
Rickstir
05-20-2004, 07:53 AM
I have taken my quota of deer over the years. Been hunting them for 40 years or so. I now have my own place. 80 acres in NorthEast Missouri. Lots of deer. I will take one or so a year for sausage. My brother is still a motivated hunter. He uses rifle (30.06), muzzel loader (50 cal) and bow. There are a couple of freinds who hunt the place to. If the weather is nice I will amble down to my deer stand in the hollow. Old wolf oak with a padded comfortable chair. The shots there are from 10 to 75 yards. Most in the 20 yard range.
Don't give a dang about antlers. If one comes by, fine; if not a doe will taste just as good if not better.
I think my attitude about hunting changed when I bought my farm. In the old days it was an adventure to pack everything and head up to a friends' farm. Kind of like a vacation sort of. Now that all I have to do is walk out the door, it's just not the same. But don't get me wrong, I thank the Lord for leading me to this place and I wouldn't want to live anywhere elase.
greer
05-20-2004, 07:56 AM
I've always favored using a real sidearm, and just always managed to arrange for the shots to be inside 50 yds. I dont take shots beyond about 25 yds, unless I have a braced firing position. I want that swc to strike within 2" of where I'm holding, or I won't fire.
Taylor
05-24-2004, 12:23 PM
When I was younger, I shot high power, shoulder busting guns and set up for longer shots. As I have gotten older, I have tried to find a happy medium between distance, power, recoil and gun weight. Now, I set up in or near thickets. I like to set up in tree tops, in or behind bushes, next to tree root wads or just set at the bottom of a large tree. When I started this thread, I was curious. What was everyone else shooting at deer and how were they hunting deer.
The results show that the largest group of people are using short to medium distance guns; muzzle loaders, shotguns, lever action rifles. 308, 270 or 30-06. Very few people are using magnums. The results show that most deer are being killed at 100 yards or less. There were not enough hunting methods given to evaluate ground hunting vs elevated stand use.
The above data was taken from people actually telling us what gun they used to kill deer last year and the distance of the kill. Had this thread been on elk hunting, I am sure the results would have been much different.
Mr. Kaneko
05-24-2004, 12:54 PM
In the six years I've been hunting deer, the only one I got was with an Remington 870 with a copper solid slug. It was a doe (an old one at that) I pulled the trigger so my shot placement was a few inches high and to the left.
The range was about 50 yards
I hit the shoulder, lungs, liver and, a quick stop to the large intestine. She dropped and then got up to run about fifty yards before staying down.
I was disappointed.
I've seen a lot of deer in these past six years but, I only shoot when I have the shot.
I enjoy the time spent in the woods and the process of quieting down to the point invisibility.
MikeG
05-24-2004, 05:37 PM
I wouldn't be disappointed in that at all. They can run that far with no heart/lung function whatsoever, just on the leftover blood/oxygen that's already in the muscles. I'd say there was nothing wrong with that. Almost everything I've shot that just dropped was due to spine/brain hits, most everything else runs a few yards, with hits from the .357 mag on the low end to the .458 Win mag on the top end.
arkypete
05-24-2004, 06:11 PM
The actual distance will depend on who the shooter is. If the shooter is a writer for one of the shooting mags the actual distance will be some where around 600 to 1,000 yards. If the shooter is a writer for one of the hunting mags the shooter will have used the muzzle of the firearm to push the animal off so the writer can shoot him.
If the shooter is Joe Average the distance is 20 to 100 yards.
Jim
warpig
05-25-2004, 07:46 PM
The last 6 I have shot have ranged from 150 to 325 yards. All were shot with a .308.
ribbonstone
05-25-2004, 08:23 PM
If I were to convert my range finder to read out in feet, but still flash the word "yards", could I at least ghost write?
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