Anyone handload for a 336 in a 35 Rem. I`m trying to figure out some hunting loads.
Burch

Does anyone have some pet loads for hunting. I`m trying to find out some components to use. The Speer manual has loads for 180 and 220 grn. loads but no data on foot pounds or anything like that. The North American hunting book swears they get 1200 foot punds of energy at 200 yrds with a 200 grn. bullet but they fail to mention where they get their data from. Any info would help and thanks to all.
Burch

You need 1644 fps to get 1200 Ft Lb with a 200 grain bullet. (1644 X 1644 / 450240 X 200 = 1200)

Factory ballistics are 1346 fps and 841 Ft. Lb. at 200 yards. You need a muzzle velocity of 2450 fps for 1200 Ft. Lb. with any of the round nosed 200 grain bullets. That's not possible within the pressure limits of a Marlin 336. The 180 Speer has a better ballistic coefficient, but you'd have to push it to 2370 fps which is a fair bit over book loads. I'd suspect that 1200 Ft. Lb. is only possible with the 200 grain Speer Spire-Point, but that turns a Marlin into a 2 shot gun. The Spire-Point is not for tube magazines.

Next problem. The 200 grain Remington Core-Lokt and the 180 grain Speer are the only bullets that reliably expand at 200 yards. The Hornady round nose is way to tough, so I'd be testing the Spire-Point on wet pack before using it on game.

Another gent should be posting some extensive .35 Remington bullets tests soon, but he has already declared the Remington Core-Lokt the winner.

Work up to 37.5 grains of IMR 3031 with the Core-Lokt. That's my favourite load, but others have reported good luck with Alliant RL-7 and Hodgdon H335. If your rifle doesn't like 3031, try them.

Bye
Jack

I use 200 gr remington cor loc with 42 gr of winchesters 748 in a remington case with a cci primer and get good results I estimate this load is doing around 2200 fps out of my 20 inch 336.This load is over 4 gr max than what is listed in most reloading manuals and works good in my gun.The presure is the same as the 30-30 and is safe for the 336 Just reduce and work up.I also like H4895 it gives me better accurace than the 748 but i have to burn some of it up before i can switch back

Riflemen10x

Heapin' helpin' of Varget :)

I haven't done a lot of load development, but the Varget loads worked well, with cast bullets no less (the RCBS 205?gr FN/GC).

Good luck.

Look at Why I like the 35 Rem, elsewhere on this forum.

Lots of folks here have been very successful on deer, boar, javalina, and even moose and elk with standard 35 Rem., 200 gr. factory ammo.

Foot pounds and related statistics are great for esoteric discussions. But the 35 Rem fits into the category "pretty is as pretty does." And it does quite well for what it was designed for.

If you are interested in foot pounds at 200 yards look at the 35 Whelen or something even hotter. The 35 Rem. is not destined to be your go to gun for 200 yard shooting day in and day out.

Having said that, I took a full bodied fork-horn mule deer last Fall at an estimated 200 yards, cross-canyon, using Marlin 336 with 2-7X Leupold and 200 gr. Rem. factory ammo. But that was probably the outer edge of effective range and the 7x scope allowed me to put the bullet on target. With factory sights or even the Williams 5D that sits on top of the Marlin now, I would not even attemp such a shot.

Threads merged as subject matter is identical.

I use the Speer 180 FN out of my 18 1/2" barreled "D"... looks like the Guide Gun/Outfitter. 38.0-grains of H4895 gives me 2090 FPS.

Michael

From my first hand observations, the 180 grain Speer makes a wider wound channel than commonly found 200 grain bullets. This indicates both thinner jacket and faster speed. For those long shots at "the edge" of 35 effective range, this is a very good bullet choice.

Be cautious about pointed bullets as these are designed for faster impact velocities of the .358 and 35 Whelen. I'm not sure that good mushrooming would take place on common deer sized animals with these bullets.

Round nose/flat nose bullets are the best for the old 35. Hornady, Sierra, Speer, and Nosler build good bullets.

Yet plain Remington 200 grain core-lockt ammo has put much venison in the freezer for my family. I've killed many animals with this ammo at distances of less than 150 yards or so. For the non-handloader, I feel that this ammo is likely the best available. Try it, you'll like it!
TR

I have been using 39 grs of Varget with the RCBS 205 gr. bullet crimped on the top band to clear the rifling. I am using federal match primers and remington brass.
With the 180 speer, I found that my marlin lever will take both 42.5 with either H335 or BLC-2 with out any pressure signs. In your case since this is over book data , I would start at least below this and work your way up.
I see BLC-2as being a powder of great chioce and yet to try it with the remington 200.

Hand loading the 35 rem. seems to be the way to go with the Marlin.Be careful and work up some loads for your rifle and you will find something it likes.
It will not take too long before your hooked on reloading for this calipier -hook line and sinker.
I have harder hitting, flatter shooting rifles,but the 35 Marlin is still one of my favrites for the eastern woods.
For cheap shooting I enjoy shooting plates with the 205 lead bullets using Varget powder. I would think,this load would be suitable also for deer.

35 Remington shells were originally developed for a Remington automatic rifle that could not handle 30-30 pressures. However, modern 35 Marlin 336 rifles can handle 30-30 pressures and many people load over recommended book levels. I am not advising you to load over recommended book levels. Use your own judgement. 45-70s used to be in the same boat. 45-70s were shot in trapdoor, Marlin, and Ruger #1 rifles. Finally, reloading books separated 45-70s into 3 sections, one section for Rugers (the strongest action), one for Marlins, and one for trapdoor rifles (the weakest action). The same thing needs to happen for 35 Marlins (one section) and all other rifles (another section). Then people will have safe recipes for reloading 35 Marlins instead of looking at brass for signs of too much pressure.

The 200 grain core-loct has killed many deer and hogs for me, and is just about fine for most situations I'm ever in. Since I don't reload, I use Buffalo Bore heavy .35 loads when I need more power and range. The Speer 220 grain flat point leaves the barrel at 2200 fps (2350fpe?), and has about the same velocity and energy at 100 yards as does the factory load at the muzzle. I would not hesitate to use one for a 200 yard shot PROVIDED I had a good shot to take, and if the opportunity for a well paced shot wasn't there I wouldn't pull the trigger. The flat points are ballistically better than the round nose bullets, but only marginally so. The 180 grainers are flatter shooting, but give up downrange energy, so they must be pushed to at least 2200 fps, or closer to 2300 for killing power past 150 yards. I'll try to find the ballistics report and send it to you PM.

34.0 grs Rel 7 with either the R-P 200 gr RN or RCBS 200 gr FNGC cast of water quenched WW, ignited by WLRP has always done the trick for me. You will be pushing 2200 fps with the R-P, and over 2200 fps with the RCBS cast. Accuracy was outstanding with both loads.Hope this helps ;) Jeff

Heapin' helpin' of Varget :)

I haven't done a lot of load development, but the Varget loads worked well, with cast bullets no less (the RCBS 205?gr FN/GC).

Good luck.

40 grs of Varget with the bullet crimped on the top band just to clear the rifling. Start 10% lower and work up.

Try 42.5 with either BL-C2 or H335 with the speer 180 gr,
Of course work up to it starting 10% lowerat first and watch for pressure signs. I think I prefer the BL-C2 the best.
More speed for the pressure.
Good deer rounds

Hi guys,

I found a lot of info on reloading the 35 remington on another forum.This guy 35 Remington has a wealth of info and has worked up many loads for this round.Take a look.

http://www.marlinowners.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=2041&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Riflemen10x

I think Taylor hit the nail on the head. 35 Remington data for something other than the Model 8 or 81 would be a godsend!

Reb

Gentlemen:

This is another one of those cases where the most commonly used rifle is saddled with the pressure limits of long discontinued guns. Why some rounds like the .45-70, .45 Colt, 8X57mm, and 7x57mm are singled out for higher published loads for modern guns and others are not, is an interesting question. The .35 Remington round needs published, pressure tested data (at least in the .30-30 range), to get the most out of the Marlin 336 in that caliber.

Hey: Hornady, Accurate Arms, Alliant, Hodgdon, and Speer are any of you guys listening out there?

Ralph