Which do you prefer on a rifle?

Seein' as to how there's only one pump (slide action) rifle currently available for CAS, the AWA Colt reproduction Lightning. I'd say a lever gun is far superior, less expensive, and less apt to break.

Otto N. Sure
SASS-Life

Still run an old Marlin 27 pump in 32-20...slick shooting little fella, but it wasn't in the same class as the lever guns even when new. Works, is reliable, and accurate...but it was built as an inexpensive alternative to the lever guns, and it shows it...but not Coyboy-leagal as far as I know (maybe it is...never checked as I don't shoot that game).

Hunted for a couple of years with a Savage 170 in .35rem.(another inexpensive pump, now out of productiuon), used a Remington 14 in .25Rem. for a few years, still have a modern Rossi/Taurus .22Mag., a Remington 760, and a few .22LR pumps have passed through. Not bad guns, they hunted fine, but they lacked "it".

"It" isn't anything specific...just that combination of features and results that clicks with a shooter. Liked them all, but none became a favorite.

Caliber to caliber, in timed trials, the pump is a little bit faster than the lever on repeat shots...not a great amount, but a little bit. think most of it comes from the pull forward action on chambering...it just does two things as once, chambers a roung and helps pull the rifgle in line and point it at the target. Levers are working against you...are pulling the rifle down with one hand, pushing the lever up with the other.

I have had and seen more problems with pump rifles then with Lever action rifles ! Mostly with the newer rem and savage rifles ,in either feeding rounds or trying to eject rounds at times ! Pumps don't have the leverage as the lever actions do ! JAGG

Otto N. Sure said: "Seein' as to how there's only one pump (slide action) rifle currently available for CAS, the AWA Colt reproduction Lightning."

Question: Is the Norinco 97, a Winchester 1897 reproduction), 12 gauge a legal pump for CAS? I understood it was. Is that information correct?

opps!! Sorry, I misread the post. The question was about rifles, not shotguns. My mistake.

Yes, the '97 repro's are legal. The slide action repro's (rifles) had serious problems, and I don't see any being used by fellow CAS shooters here in Texas, but there are many for sale! Those problems may or may not be worked out, take your chances. The Taurus models in .22 caliber seem to work fine, still not quite as fun as my grandfather's old Winchester of similar design.
Otto N. Sure said: "Seein' as to how there's only one pump (slide action) rifle currently available for CAS, the AWA Colt reproduction Lightning."

Question: Is the Norinco 97, a Winchester 1897 reproduction), 12 gauge a legal pump for CAS? I understood it was. Is that information correct?

opps!! Sorry, I misread the post. The question was about rifles, not shotguns. My mistake.

Seein' as to how there's only one pump (slide action) rifle currently available for CAS, the AWA Colt reproduction Lightning. I'd say a lever gun is far superior, less expensive, and less apt to break.

Otto N. Sure
SASS-Life

Otto what about the US Firearms Lightnings? I had occasion to shoot a number of them this past weekend. They are extremely well made and come in a variety of calibers and styles. The fact that they are US made is a plus to me. Have a look at www.usfirearms.com
jack

I believe AWA is now gone under, but has been bought by one of the gunsmiths of the former company who will make a go of sustaining production under a new name. I haven't yet heard of what that new company will be called or if they've started production again, but one of the problems they had was cash flow due to all the Lightnings being returned and orders cancelled. If USFA has a model that is reliable and you prefer that over a lever gun, then by all means buy that and tell us all about it. I have my grandfather's pump action .22 Winchester, which Taurus copied several years ago and seems to be a reliable design for them as it still sells well, both in blued and stainless versions. My old Winchester's sights are so tiny they're unusable, but I suspect my granddad put squirrels in the pot by point shooting anyway. It still shoots like a house-a-fire though, and the breakdown design is so handy I have often wondered why it was discontinued for so long. The slide (pump) seems to be the weak link, although even though it feels loose it has never malfunctioned. This "feel" of working the action may cause shooters to slow down or speed up target aquisition, as most equate the feel of working the pump akin to shotgunning, and not rifle shooting. Once I got used to it though, the rear sight might just have well been removed, as you generally have to know where the bullet is going when pushing the slide forward with the trigger pulled. It almost like "slam firing, but after some practice it usually comes back to me on the few occaisions I take the 1932 antique out of the gun case. Do the Taurus and AWA or USFA models work the same, or has some "safety" feature been added so it won't fire when the trigger is depressed and action is pushed forward (closed)?
Otto, what are your thoughts on this?
Otto what about the US Firearms Lightnings? I had occasion to shoot a number of them this past weekend. They are extremely well made and come in a variety of calibers and styles. The fact that they are US made is a plus to me. Have a look at www.usfirearms.com (http://www.usfirearms.com)
jack

They're both mighty good for hunting. But I don't know about competitive costume events.

My all time favorite antelope rifle is an older Remington 760 in .243 with Simmons AETEC 2.8X to 10X scope. Don't tell me a bolt action is more accurate because that myth doesn't hold up.
TR

I have a colt lightning baby carbine in 44WCF. The carbine
has the saddlering, sharp markings with colt adress, caliber.
However it doesn`n have the colthorse on the leftside of the receiver like on my other colt rifles! Is that unusuel?
The gun is in 100% mekanical perfect working order, and the rifling is sharp.The wood is as new and I thought I would like to sell the gun, but ofcourse I need to know if the gun is
normal without the colt on the left side?? Anybody know??