armedfree
01-21-2001, 07:52 PM
I had a vigorus debate at the gun shop the other day about cast verses jacketed bullets. (I can't believe I get paid to talk guns, life is good) I relayed the following experiances.
Back in "86" ohio had its first deer season that allowed handguns. That year I hit a doe in the neck at 80 yards with a 180gr hollow point from a SBH. It left a massive surface wound and punctured the cartoid artery. The deer went some 100 yrds and when I found her she was still alive. I shot her in the head from 15 yards, the derned bullet bounced off!! I walked up on her and cut her throat. The bullet totally failed. I could see the jacket in the wound, had a fragment ( there were many) not cut the artery I would have lost her and she surely would have suffered. Had I chest shot her I imagine she would have died much later probably of infection.
I switched to a 240 gr jacketed hollow point and used that until 1992 shooting 10 deer with it. All died ok but only after a bit of a run and a truely unimpressive blood trail. None expanded to any degree and only two exited. As a whole I was not very impressed.
In 1992 I was at the range. The backstop is mostly clay and it had been raining for two weeks. I fired a jacketed HP bullet into a relitivly un disturbed part of the back stop. There was a disrupted spot but nothing more. I had been useing a 310 grain cast bullet as a plinking bullet, usually with 9gr of uniqe. I had loaded some with 20 grains of H110 just to try it. I fired one of these next to the spot that I had fired the jacketed bullet. The back splash was impressive. Upon examination I found what appeared to be the size of a ground squirrel hole. I put a stick in it and found that the hole was over a foot deep I also found that the cavity inside was 3 inches in diameter.
Since then I've use that cast bullet ( its got a fairly big meplat) on 15 deer of the 135-175 poiund class. All have died quikly with only two requireing trailing. These I hit a little far back in the rear of the rib cage and liver. On both of those the blood trail was impressive as were all wounds. I don't mean penitrated organs, I mean utterly destroyed organs. Only one bullet was recoverd, it was on a quartering toward shot, that bullet lodged under the pelvis on the off side. Jacketed bullets are great in rifles but not needed, and infact counter productive, in handguns.
I still use that 180 grain, it's death on woodchucks
Back in "86" ohio had its first deer season that allowed handguns. That year I hit a doe in the neck at 80 yards with a 180gr hollow point from a SBH. It left a massive surface wound and punctured the cartoid artery. The deer went some 100 yrds and when I found her she was still alive. I shot her in the head from 15 yards, the derned bullet bounced off!! I walked up on her and cut her throat. The bullet totally failed. I could see the jacket in the wound, had a fragment ( there were many) not cut the artery I would have lost her and she surely would have suffered. Had I chest shot her I imagine she would have died much later probably of infection.
I switched to a 240 gr jacketed hollow point and used that until 1992 shooting 10 deer with it. All died ok but only after a bit of a run and a truely unimpressive blood trail. None expanded to any degree and only two exited. As a whole I was not very impressed.
In 1992 I was at the range. The backstop is mostly clay and it had been raining for two weeks. I fired a jacketed HP bullet into a relitivly un disturbed part of the back stop. There was a disrupted spot but nothing more. I had been useing a 310 grain cast bullet as a plinking bullet, usually with 9gr of uniqe. I had loaded some with 20 grains of H110 just to try it. I fired one of these next to the spot that I had fired the jacketed bullet. The back splash was impressive. Upon examination I found what appeared to be the size of a ground squirrel hole. I put a stick in it and found that the hole was over a foot deep I also found that the cavity inside was 3 inches in diameter.
Since then I've use that cast bullet ( its got a fairly big meplat) on 15 deer of the 135-175 poiund class. All have died quikly with only two requireing trailing. These I hit a little far back in the rear of the rib cage and liver. On both of those the blood trail was impressive as were all wounds. I don't mean penitrated organs, I mean utterly destroyed organs. Only one bullet was recoverd, it was on a quartering toward shot, that bullet lodged under the pelvis on the off side. Jacketed bullets are great in rifles but not needed, and infact counter productive, in handguns.
I still use that 180 grain, it's death on woodchucks