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alyeska338
07-24-2004, 11:15 PM
Interesting take on an old concept. I'm sure we've all seen the old cowboy movies of the Colt SAA's made into rifles, well, here's a S&W M29
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Bill Lester
07-25-2004, 05:47 AM
What an interesting gun! But ooo...did he have to use a Lew Horton? There aren't many around, says the S&W collector.

coyote_243
07-25-2004, 08:24 AM
Sweet rig !!! How does the work legally to convert a pistol to a rifle?

ribbonstone
07-25-2004, 09:24 AM
One way street...not problem converting a pistol to a fully legal rifle (barrel length and overall length requirments met) but they take a dim view of converting a rifle into a pistol.

Problem with revolvers is that cylinder/barrel flash-gap...if you use the fore end in a normal way, you'll only do it once.

MikeG
07-25-2004, 09:33 AM
Hmm, thought that there were requirements for federal paperwork to put a buttstock on a pistol?

Anyway, agree, it's a curiosity more than a useful firearm, cylinder gap would be a bit rough on ears/face with full .44 loads :eek:

M1894
07-25-2004, 10:04 AM
[QUOTE=MikeG]Hmm, thought that there were requirements for federal paperwork to put a buttstock on a pistol?

It's not installing a butstock on a pistol, when the barrel is at least 16" and permantenly mounted. It then becomes a rifle. A rifle cannot be made into a pistol, but it is OK the other way around.

Lee L.

Jack Monteith
07-25-2004, 10:08 AM
Shoot it with short sleeves, ONCE. :eek:

Bye
Jack

Big Bore
07-25-2004, 10:36 AM
The barrel doesn't even need to be permanently mounted, as with the TC Encore and Contender. A pistol can be made into a rifle as was mentioned so long as the stock and barrel of 16" or longer are only used at the same time and OAL is 26" or more. To use a less than 16" barrel with a stock is illegal. For that you need to make the pistol into an SBR by doing a form 1 and paying the $200. For instance, if you build (after the ban goes away) a new, never assembled, stripped lower receiver of an AR15 into a pistol, you can switch back and forth between pistol (no stock, barrel any length) and a rifle (stock and barrel of 16" + and an OAL of 26") as much as you want. But, if you build it into a rifle first, it is forever a rifle and to swap to a pistol config (or a SBR config) you need to do the SBR Form 1 paperwork. So long as you do not put a stock on a less than 16" barrel, or only put the stock on with a 16"+ barrel and keep OAL 26" or more, everything is OK and no SBR paperwork is needed. However, it is best to document that the stripped lower was first built into a pistol.

kdub
07-25-2004, 12:00 PM
Yup - Thompson Center and the BATF met in court several years ago over this issue and T/C won. As stated, you can lengthen a pistol out to rifle configuration, but you can't shorten a rifle or shotgun into a handgun.

That's one pretty piece, Alyeska - personally, I'd be afraid to shoot it. Not only regarding the cylinder gap splashing on the arm, but the beauty of the firearm could possibly get marred in some manner - would just hate that!

ribbonstone
07-25-2004, 02:38 PM
With the exception of some classed as curios (and even there the law has changed a few times...and it's not hard to find butchered Lugers with the stock lug ground off) they do frown upon stocking a pistol...stocking a pistol with a barrel over 16" long and with a non-detachable butt stock won't raise an eyebrow (so long as the OAL is over 26 and some fraction" long). For various reasons, T/C got them to be flexable on the detachable butt stock (and it the T/C were not a single shot, doubt they would have been as understanding).

But it can be done with some without the legal hastles...some Brwoning HP's, Lugers, Broomhandles, and some of the odder oldies can be shoulder stocked without going to jail...but no revolvers that I'm aware of besides the cap-and-ball versions.

There is still for sale a 16 1/4" Colt 45acp barrel and a shoulder stock that replaces the main spring housing...kind of goofy looking, but so far as the law goes it's legal as (1) the barrel is over 16", (2) the OAL lenght is correct (3) it won't shoot with the mainspring housing/stock detached.

Have owned and shot the Brwoning HP with shoulder stcok (didn't help accuracy as much as you'd think) and a couple of repro. cap-and-ball revolvers. They still sell the percussion version of the Rem. as a rifle...they USE to sell a cartridge version as well, adn i shot one of those. Believe me...you don't want anything important to be along side that flash gap when the revolver/rifle fires. Next time you shoot a revolver, hoild a piece of cardboard along side the falsh gap and see how it's marked.

James Gates
07-25-2004, 03:37 PM
Interesting Item.....I have a Uberti 1858 New Army Remington .454" carbine. I have killed only one wild hog with it so far. The standard hold for these is the left hand on the trigger spur. Not bad at all when you use it for awhile......James

MikeG
07-25-2004, 06:01 PM
Reminds me of a particular incident at the range I witnesses years ago.

My dad and a friend were practicing for a sihouette match using the position where you lay on the back and rest the gun against the outside of your leg.

Dad's friend shot a few rounds.... .44 Mag I think.... then had to jump up and put out the smoldering hot spot on his jeans!!! I think that the silhouette shooters are now required to have a shield of some sort on their leg when shooting revolvers this way, leather or kevlar or something.

Big Bore
07-25-2004, 06:43 PM
When I was about 13 or so, I saw a picture of Skeeter Skelton shooting a handgun at long range where he was semi-reclined and had the gun braced between his knees with the knees on each side of the cylinder. So, I had to give it a try. Using my Ruger .30 Carbine Blackhawk I let one loose. One. I learned two things that day. I was young and dumb, but I learn quicky, and that many pictures for magazines are posed. My knees still hurt when I think about it.

mattpair
07-25-2004, 08:07 PM
Looks real purty to me.