I want to buy a long range .308 and I can get either of these rifles for $620 new. They are very simmilar rifles, both alluminum piller bedded, 26" heavy barrel. But the winchester weights 10 lbs and only holds 3+1 rounds and the Remington weights 9 lbs and holds 4+1 rounds. Also the winchester has an extra swivel stud in the front for a bipod. snipercountry.com recomends the 70 stealth over the 700 VS. I don't see the 70 stealth in in winchester's catalog so I assume it has been replaced by the stealth II. I am a newbie at long range shooting so any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
ex_soldier1911

I'm not much of a Remington fan and would recommend the Winchester.

But, Hey - that's just me! :D

For long range shooting, magazine capacity doesn't mean muuch, as most of your shooting will probably be single loading. The heavier rifle will settle down better as well. Handle both rifles, and see which one feels better to you. You will also need to get the best Scope that you can afford, Don't skimp here! Remember the higher the power setting the harder it is to hold still, again the reason for a heavy rifle. If you have access to a range where there is a lot of long range shooting going on, talk to the competitors, and see what they are using, and their reason for their choice.

Lee L.

Savage, if you can stand the way they look. Some people think that the barrel nuts are kinda ugly. I'm a Winchester fan myself, but can't deny that Savage are pretty good buy for the money.

I have several variations of each and would put them about equal. The price sounds good, think I paid $617 for my last Stealth and about $725 for my last 700P (a 700VS in tactical disguise without the J bolt lock)

Would pick the Remington if I later on decided to go custom because I like the 700 action better for overhaul.

May be rumor but I have heard the heavy varmint barrel used on the Stealth is made by Schneider, if that's true, Winchester would have the edge in barrel quality.

No real advantage to either beyond personal preference but I think I have heard more complaints about Remington than I have Winchester.

For long range shooting, magazine capacity doesn't mean muuch, as most of your shooting will probably be single loading. The heavier rifle will settle down better as well. Handle both rifles, and see which one feels better to you. You will also need to get the best Scope that you can afford, Don't skimp here! Remember the higher the power setting the harder it is to hold still, again the reason for a heavy rifle. If you have access to a range where there is a lot of long range shooting going on, talk to the competitors, and see what they are using, and their reason for their choice.

Lee L.

For the scope I have decided on Leupold Mark 4 LR/T 3.5-10X40mm with M3 knobs, and mark 4 1 piece base with med mark 4 rings.
$710 with Mil dot reticle (51850)
$748 with illuminated Mil dot reticle (53672)

I haven't decided wether or not I should get the illuminated mil dot, the military doesn't need them so do I...........maybe?

I don't know that i would base any decision on what the government does. ie. $100 toilet seats. For my money, i would go with a winchester any day, i have a remington too but i have had much less trouble with the winny and hey, the 70 is "The Riflemans Rifle"

One other thing, the Remington's twist is 1 in 12 and the Winchester is 1 in 10, which would be better for long range shooting?

The 10:1 twist rate will stabilize the heavier 168 and 180 grain match bullets better than the 1:12, for long range accuracy.

'Course, individual firearms vary in this - depends on lots of factors, but the theory holds true, the faster the twist the heavier the bullet.

The 10:1 twist rate will stabilize the heavier 168 and 180 grain match bullets better than the 1:12, for long range accuracy.

'Course, individual firearms vary in this - depends on lots of factors, but the theory holds true, the faster the twist the heavier the bullet.

When would a slower twist rate be more beneficial? Seems like if a twist can stabilize a heavy bullet it will stabilize a lighter bullet also. The only thing I can think of is it is the transfer from longitudinal energy to rotational energy, but on this scale it would seem negligible.

Very, very long range shooting. Trying to keep a .308 supersonic at 1,000 yards, the exact twist rate is pretty critical. Other than that.... don't sweat it.

Using the Rem 700 there is a 1 in 10 twist, this is very good for larger bullets, favorable 100gr, not saying the rifle can not shoot 55gr bullets well, I have seen factory 700 keep up with top end match rifles, thats saying something, but right now the Savage has the accutrigger, this trigger is very nice, very good benchshoot trigger, people are also using the Savages in Matches, but I believe the Savage is a 1 in 14 twist, as for winchesters I have no comment, don't know about them at all.
But I will add I really like my Rem 700 ADL for $395.00 all weather, I worked up very good load using Hornady 100gr Interlock FB/BT using RE19 Fed goldmatch primers, lee factory crimp. I have shot one hole at 100 yards a few times in the past, most common clover leaf, its the shooter of course, I'm sure the rifle can always shoot one hole at 100 yards any day of the week, I just can't ;) put a nice 3x9x40 simmons camo scope on it, using pain old weaver two peace mount system, ready to go. The best buy to me due to I am a hunter, would be the Rem 700 ADL nice black primer finish and synthetic stock, nice carry. Aim small hit small. RAMbo.

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I realize the 700 ADL .308 comes in a 1 in 10 twist, but I am trying to decide between the 700 VS .308 (1 in 12" twist, 4+1 magazine, 9lbs) and the Winchester 70 stealth II .308 (1 in 10" twist, 3+1 magazine, 10 lbs, extra swivel stud for bipod) Either of these rifles will cost me $620 plus tax and fees. I am also trying to decide on the leupold mark 4 LR/T 3.5-10 x 40mm scope with M3 knobs(want to go out to 1000yards with 1 revolution) with illuminated mil-dot $748, with regular mil-dot $710. I have already decide on Mark 4 base and rings for $210, and I think I will also pickup the mark 4 torque wrench for $75. I'm also trying to decide on the turner NM all weather sling $55 shipped, or the Mike Miller quick cuff sling $73 shipped. And a harris bipod, I do't know what size and design yet, I will have to look at them. Any advice and info on these products will be greatly appreciated. Thanks again

If you want to shoot to 1,000 yards, first and foremost, get the longest barrel (26" for sure, don't know if 24" will boost a .308 to the velocities it'll need to stay supersonic at 1,000 yards). Of the two twists, again just considering 1,000 yards, go with 1-12", some long range shooters go with slower yet.

If forced to choose between barrel length and twist, go with the barrel length.

Might as well get a sloped scope base with about 20 minutes of elevation built in, check with Brownell's, I know you can get these for Remington actions, maybe Winchester too.

you could also use burris signature rings to slope the scope mount. it is like a ring inside of a ring and you can get them with different offsets.

A friend of mine asked me to check on the net what a Rem 700 BDL, 1980's manufactured date with Walnut stock, mint condition in 25-06 caliber would be worth. I realize that it's worth whatever he wants to pay, but he just wants a ballpark estimate so he doesn't get skinned.

thanks.

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In NIB condition - $550

In 95% condition - $350.

Winchester 70 stealth II...is it free floating?

if its not, its a simple fix. sandpaper+dowel rod= free-float

if its not, its a simple fix. sandpaper+dowel rod= free-float


simple? If you experienced. Where can I get instructions into doing this?

Anyone know If it is free floating?

All you do is take the stock off the action, and sand the barrel channel until you can run a dollar bill between the barrel and stock. maybe others can shed some light on the process as well

if its not, its a simple fix. sandpaper+dowel rod= free-float

I could be wrong but I think if it has aluminum pillar bedding, it would mean the barrel is free-floating. or else what is the point of the aluminum pillars? Stealth II has aluminum pillar bedding btw. http://www.winchesterguns.com/prodinfo/catalog/detail.asp?cat_id=535&type_id=955&cat=001C

I could be wrong but I think if it has aluminum pillar bedding, it would mean the barrel is free-floating. or else what is the point of the aluminum pillars? Stealth II has aluminum pillar bedding btw. http://www.winchesterguns.com/prodinfo/catalog/detail.asp?cat_id=535&type_id=955&cat=001C


good point. So, which is better? the Stealth or Rem VS? :D

I can't decide on which one to throw my money on.

good point. So, which is better? the Stealth or Rem VS? :D

I can't decide on which one to throw my money on.

I dunno, you better save up and get both so you can tell us which is better :D

If your shooting long ranges, I would opt for the rifle that is the heaviest all other things being equal. Now as far as Remington verses Winchester, I would go the Winchester route simply because I like the Winchester better than all the others. I do have some Remington rifles also that I varmint hunt with and they are very accurate. All my big game hunting rifles are now Winchester pre-64 type actions and trigger pull......ALL THE SAME FEEL.

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BEFORE you select the gun! Worth a lot more than the

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I have tried surfing the web gaining info on Rem. 700 VS -VS- Win. 70 Stealth. I read somewhere people say the both have great bolt actions. But some say Rem action is more accurate because of its design. more accurate HOW?? And some say Win bolt action is mort reliable? I always messed around with semi auto rifles and always thought bolt action win and rem were pretty much the same. Can someone educate me? :)

I have tried surfing the web gaining info on Rem. 700 VS -VS- Win. 70 Stealth. I read somewhere people say the both have great bolt actions. But some say Rem action is more accurate because of its design. more accurate HOW?? And some say Win bolt action is mort reliable? I always messed around with semi auto rifles and always thought bolt action win and rem were pretty much the same. Can someone educate me? :)

The 700 Remington action has been a favorite of the bench rest crowd for many years! I am talking about shooters who go through pains of He$$ to shoot small groups on paper at range tournaments.

The Winchester model 70 pre-64 (Classic) action is one that is designed for the hunter, especially one hunting game that bites back. This action has the "big claw extractor" 4 times the size of the Remington model 700, which are subject to fail and break in the field.

The Winchester model 70 pre-64 action is "control fed" round fed, meaning the magazine is rounded at the bottom verses square and feeds much better, the cartridge is controlled by the extractor on the face of the bolt, from the very beginning of it's trip from out of the top of the magazine box, to the end of it's travel into the rifle's chamber, as opposed to a Loose shell being pushed forward into the chamber of a model 700 Remington. This "Control Fed" action, is a big plus for hunting dangerous game animals in the wild.

The Winchester model 70 pre-64 acation has a TRUE SAFETY and that being a 3 position safety, where as you can extract a loaded round from the chamber, without the fear of that round going off if rifle were dropped on the ground etc. The 3 position safety is the only true safety. Remington has had many civil cases setttled out of court on their safeties which are on their rifles.

The accuracy difference will not be anything you would ever notice in the field. It takes competitive shooting to make one stand out over the other.

Buy what you like.... I personally prefer the Win safety & bolt design, as well as the simple trigger. But I have a Remington too.... :)

I have tried surfing the web gaining info on Rem. 700 VS -VS- Win. 70 Stealth. I read somewhere people say the both have great bolt actions. But some say Rem action is more accurate because of its design. more accurate HOW?? And some say Win bolt action is mort reliable? I always messed around with semi auto rifles and always thought bolt action win and rem were pretty much the same. Can someone educate me? :)

The answer you seek doesn't exist. Both are excellent rifles, it is a matter of opinion which is best. Either can be very accurate and reliable....either can break. They are both mass produced, subject to all the ills a factory can generate.

Your best bet is to go handle them. Look at everything and when something feels right, buy it. Spend time at a gun range if you can. Some people will not only offer good advice, they might let you shoot their rifles.

Both rifles you ask about have free floated barrels. Both use HS Precision stocks and both have adjustable triggers. No disrespect meant to 2Bits but the action he speaks of does not apply to the Stealth. Compare something like the Featherweight with the Stealth, you'll see the difference.

I realize you aren't getting all the answers you seek but you really can't dig facts out of brand preference. Best advice I've seen here is buy both....you can never own too many guns.

Gotcha. I am really leaning towards the Win 70. People I spoke to say both Rem and Win have awesome action. Most tend to revell over the Rem since its used by our military and the Win has been "retired". Oh, I keep hearing some much coverage over the Rem. 700, custom work, custom parts and its "inherant accuracy". No doubt Winny canhold its own. I just wish I knew where people get the Rem bolt action design creates a more accurate rifle over Win. Some dude told me it was about the shape of the bolt or something like that. I guess it can be compared to a "Chevy vs Ford" argueement.

Sadly, I can only afford one rifle.

Carlos Hathcock was the most deadly US military sniper and he used a winchester 70 in '06, if its good enough for him, its good enough for me!

Gotcha. I am really leaning towards the Win 70. People I spoke to say both Rem and Win have awesome action. Most tend to revell over the Rem since its used by our military and the Win has been "retired". Oh, I keep hearing some much coverage over the Rem. 700, custom work, custom parts and its "inherant accuracy". No doubt Winny canhold its own. I just wish I knew where people get the Rem bolt action design creates a more accurate rifle over Win. Some dude told me it was about the shape of the bolt or something like that. I guess it can be compared to a "Chevy vs Ford" argueement.

Sadly, I can only afford one rifle.

Now just how much so called accuracy are you looking for in a big game hunting rifle? Now I will cut to the chase here because anybody who knows much of anything can go hunting with a rifle that shoots 2 inch groups at 100 yards from the bench and be perfectly at home in the wild, knowing they can place that bullet with in the vital zone of any deer out to 300 yards if they themselves can shoot.

All of my model 70 Winchesters from .338 mag down ward on the caliber scale can shoot while under 1MOA....FACT! I have one model 70 pre-64 action stainless rifle, that has several times shot 5 shot groups into one Frigging hole at 100 yards and under 5/8 of an inch at 200 yards frome the bench. AS matter of fact, that same gun has shot 8 inch groups at 1000 yards by this old man. I know the rifle can do better with somebody who can really shoot that yardage. None the less Winchester makes a very accuract action in a riflel

Gotcha. I am really leaning towards the Win 70. People I spoke to say both Rem and Win have awesome action. Most tend to revell over the Rem since its used by our military and the Win has been "retired". Oh, I keep hearing some much coverage over the Rem. 700, custom work, custom parts and its "inherant accuracy". No doubt Winny canhold its own. I just wish I knew where people get the Rem bolt action design creates a more accurate rifle over Win. Some dude told me it was about the shape of the bolt or something like that. I guess it can be compared to a "Chevy vs Ford" argueement.

Sadly, I can only afford one rifle.

Faster lock time, probably. That and the round receiver is easy to put in a lathe and true up for ultimate accuracy.... again, not something you'll notice in the field.

The fact that you can take the bolt apart on the Winchester, in the field without tools, if it gets cruddy, is I think a big practical advantage for the hunter.

Anyway I think you'd find success with either... so don't sweat it.

Carlos Hathcock was the most deadly US military sniper and he used a winchester 70 in '06, if its good enough for him, its good enough for me!

Chuck Mahwinny got a few more, FYI....

Well, I found a good price on a new Stealth Winchester .308. Besides one having two front studs and the other has one, what is the difference between the Stealth and the newer Stealth II?

where can you get a stealth 11 for $620.00 I ll take one

Chuck Mahwinny got a few more, FYI....
Oops, guess the book i read was a little out of date

The Remington 700 has more accuracy potential due to its cylindrical receiver and bedding uniformity. My Winchester 70 will not even come close to any of the Remington's in accuracy. There are just so many drop-in aftermarket accuracy enhancing parts available for the Remington over the Winchester it's no contest. Everything from speed-lock firing pin kits to the Jewel trigger. The Remington 3 lever trigger is so far ahead of the M-70's lash up that it isn't even a contest. When you tire of the factory configuration the Remington can be tricked out with a heavier recoil lug, a Sako style extractor, and an action blueprinting job.You can even install that Winchester 70 style swing safety for about $150.00, if you think that's the cat's meow. Save up and purchase a Remington 40X (B, BR) single shot super rigid action (mine came with a 27" Hart barrel) and you really have a long range rifle. Then trick it out, or order it, with three action bedding screws and it's even better. Add Ken Farrell's 20 MOA base and precision rings and you have the elevation problem solved. Of course the Model 70 Winchester still looks more like a classic rifle, and will serve well, but the tinkerer will want the Remington.

axlenut

I'd take a look at www.long-range.com to see what some of the shooters from NRA matches are thinking about this quesiton. I'm thinking the Remington is better-liked; and I'm thinking that the 1 in 12 twist is o.k. But see what they say at that website. Take your time studying that site....because from what I can see it's a good one. Then come back here and let us know what you decided and why.

Take care.