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gregarat
08-12-2004, 01:35 PM
Ive heard that you shouldnt fire .45 Colt out of .410 barrels. Even though T/C has a picture saying you can do so?

ribbonstone
08-12-2004, 01:50 PM
In a T/C barrel marked 45/410 it's no problem as the bore size is right for .45's (which makes it over sized for .410's). In a regualar .410, it can be done, but the pressureis a lot higher than the little shotguns were designed for. Having that .454" chunk of lead moving through a .410" barrel (and perhaps a .390" choke at the end) is going to kind of "proof" the gun at each shot.

gregarat
08-12-2004, 03:23 PM
ok I realy didnt want to shoot .45 anyhow, Im going to order a .410 barrel tommorow, for treerats ;).

A 12" barrel is avalible, and I can wait in a 14" w/h choke. What kind of choke is this? Full, modify, rifle?

In your opinion should I get the 14" w/h choce, that I haveto back order, or would a 12", I can get now be fine?

ribbonstone
08-12-2004, 03:33 PM
OK...it's the T/C barrel...no problem shooting .45Colt in the T/C barrel marked for both the .45LC and .410. The barrel is rifled and .45 caliber, so the .45Colt won't be squeezed down into a .41" barrel...the plastic wads of the .410 have little trouble expanding to seal the .45 barrel and they work fine.

Have to tell you, .45colt nver has shot as well from a 45/410 barrel as it has from one chambered just for .45colt. Take a look at a fired .410 case, and realize just how far that bullet has to travel from case mouth to the first bit of rifling.

I wouldn't sweat the difference betwen 12" and 14".

the chokes are "kid of" full. The chokes on my old 10" (these were external chokes, but the new internal ones work the same way) has dead-stright rifling...idea is that this stright rifling helps to un-spin the shot charge (being fired in a rifled barrel, it picks up the rifling's spin). The choke is also tapered, like "normal" chokes.

gregarat
08-12-2004, 05:07 PM
no problem shooting .45Colt in the T/C barrel marked for both the .45LC and .410. The barrel is rifled and .45 caliber, so the .45Colt won't be squeezed down into a .41" barrel...the plastic wads of the .410 have little trouble expanding to seal the .45 barrel and they work fine. Their might be a problem... The barrels are vent rib, w/h just a front bead.:confused:

Tumbleweeds
08-31-2004, 07:05 PM
Their might be a problem... The barrels are vent rib, w/h just a front bead.:confused:
The deal is this: T/C is selling a .410 pistol. Now, sawed-off shotguns are illegal, so they make it legal by rifling the barrel. Then they make it pattern shot (by .410 standards anyway) by adding the screw-in choke. As I recall, they had to go to the Supreme Court to convince the BATF it was legal even after rifling the barrel. The Court ruled for T/C, so the gun is legal by U.S. (but not California) standards.

So: you have a .410 pistol that will safely, but not all that accurately, fire a .45 Colt cartridge. I think you're supposed to take off the choke tube before you do it, though, at least with the old exterior tube style.

A man could probably figure a way to load a .452 bullet into a .410 shell and get a little more accuracy, but it would be a whole lot safer and easier to buy a .45 Colt barrel with pistol sights, that does NOT fire a .410 shell. Half the point of a T/C is to save so much money on rifle actions that you can have a suitcase full of barrels anyway, right?

ribbonstone
08-31-2004, 07:21 PM
For a time there, T/C wasn't seeling the .410/45colt version...they had sold it, stopped (gues they were fighting it in court at the time) and now sell it again.

IN the "between times" had the "Hot Shot" barrels. Same idea, but used .357 or .44mag. cases loaded with a LONG plasric shot capsule...really long. Now these actually worked better in many ways, as the chamber was normal .44mag.(or .357mag.) length sot here was no penalty when shooting bulleted ammo...and the shot patterns (with choke attached) were actaully quite good....BUT you were stuck boying special purpose (expensive) ammo.

The old vent rib guns have a flip up rear sight and removable internal choke tubes...remove the choke when shooting bulleted ammo. IF the new ones only have a front bead, dosesn't seem like using bullet ammo would have been on their minds at all.
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One of the oddest sights wasa one of the COP 4-barrel .357's stuffed with .357 HotShots...that capsule stuck out the barrel a good bit and it looked like a 4barrel rocket launcher. Shooting it that was was pretty mcuh a wast of time...not only would the capsule often not break open and go "wizzing" off in a big tumble, but occasionaly the muzzle blast form round one would split iopen round 2-4 and dribble shot all over your shoes.

mikej
09-02-2004, 11:34 AM
I think I'd get a .45 Colt barrel and use the plastic shot capsules for shotgunning. I have used these shot cartridges on snakes in FL and on grouse in MT, and it worked well in both cases. The ranges were from 1 yard to 12 yards, and seemed to work OK. Not as good as a regular .410 shotgun, but we're talking compromises here. I think I might be tempted to use the .45 Colt for the squirrels at longer ranges, I can tell you it is effective, although a little large.

backwoodswalker
09-02-2004, 04:57 PM
Hey;
When all else fails pick up a BFR 410 revolver. I have one just for a conversation piece. These are a 5 shot 410 with the same screw in choke contender uses, I can interchange them between the 2. These are a very well made gun. Kind of heavy though. The real kick in the seat is cost 849.00 locally.