Hi, I'm in the process of some extensive research on the Winchester Model 1910. If anyone has these Rifle issues, I would entirely be appreciative if they post what information it contains before I order back copies from Wolf Publishing, which isn't cheap. I really would like a copy just of that article, but what can you do, right? Thanks in advance. If anyone has questions about the M1910, I have got together quite a lot of research, including stuff from Whelen and Stebbins.

Come to think of it, I also need information from the Winchester 1910 catalogue or later ones that list the M1910. I would also like to know of any other articles on the M1910 if any one knows of any. Also, does anyone knows where I can get "The Forgotten Winchesters, Models 1905-1910" besides the author John Henwood himself?

I Need these articles:
Rifle #1, "Winchesters 1905-10" p. 49, 1966
Rifle #79, Ken Water's Classic Rifle "Winchester model 1910" p. 14, 1979

P.S. Thanks Ribbonstone for your great reloading and caseforming information on the 401 WSL. Its great to see people willing to provide such help.

Have you got the article on handloadling the .401 in Handloader's Digest #12, by Holt Bodinson?

Bye
Jack

Thanks Jack. Now thats something I'll have to hunt up next! :D

Ed. Seems my local librarys have quite a collection of Handloader's Digest, yet no 12th edition from 1990. Interesting enough, I have found an original copy of "The American Rifle" by Townsend Whelen in 1918, at my local library.

Thanks Jack. Now thats something I'll have to hunt up next! :D

Ed. Seems my local librarys have quite a collection of Handloader's Digest, yet no 12th edition from 1990. Interesting enough, I have found an original copy of "The American Rifle" by Townsend Whelen in 1918, at my local library.

Going to send me hunting in the next week...know I have a copy of that issue of Handloader, so will eventually find it and copy it.

Know there was a recnet (in the last 2 years) article in the American Rifleman...not specific to the 1910, but did have some very interresting ammuntion shipping numbers (why did Russia order that much .401WSL ammo during WWI?)....and the foot notes for that article would lead to who knows?

John Henewood's book isn't an easy catch...his book on the Rem. 8 and 81 is avaialble, but i've not run across a used copy of the Winchester text....but I still occasionally hunt the used book sites and remeber to search for his along with a list of others I've been hunting.

Saw a military marked Win. 1910 sell on line (at JoeSalter.com) for a pretty steep price just recently...he may have the description/picture still posted.

That's just plain interesting. The pictures of it are gone now... Now the allies supposedly used the M1907 for aircraft air-to-air fighting, sometimes fitted with a brass catcher. Did Russia "informerly" field/test some M1910s? Hmm... No factory records available. Destroyed of course... The M1907 though has the shipping records of #'s 1-9,999 out in Cody, Wyoming.

Found another article I have to get a copy of too: RifleShooter Nov/Dec 2001

Very interesting: this one had a piece on the restoration of a M1910. I wonder what gunsmith they used, if they got new wood, what general commentary they had?

My personal M1910 is missing a sliver of the cracked and glued forend, the original buttplate, and is suffering from the lingering effects of a basement reblue job.

I have found the M1910 shares the same buttplate as the M67 and M72 and where to get one. Boyds makes M1907 stocks and forends, so a custom order for the M1910 will probably get them tooled up to list it in their catalogue too.

Don't know if any 1910's got tested in Russia...do know they ordered a significant amount of ammo so we can assume they had something to shoot it in. Would have made a devil of a nice trench gun if they made some 10 round mags. as they did for the .351.

Butt plate is hard balck rubber (or whatever that looks like rotary dial telephone plastic) with an oval "Winchester Repeating Arms Co. logo in the middle.

The version at hand, #700X, was proably made in 1911 and has suffered some in the mean time. Someone cut the barrel back to 18.4" (that wasn't me) and added a Lyman apature sight (and a lyman white bead to the relocated ramp). Makes it a very nice bursh gun.

IF you can repare the stock at hand, I'd use it for a "basher" stock...tht fore end is a fragile item and I'd try a reparie to the one at hand for real use, if you must have a pretty one, then keep it for display or soft hunting use.

They hunt too well to leave in the gun safe. Not the best balanced of guns, very front heavy even with a short barrel (all that weight running back and forth in the fore arm) but can promise you from experinece, they do the job just fine on white tail in heavy brush.

Yep, I want a pretty one. Would be nice to have a fancy sporter, or to recreate it. Have you seen the factory gold plated one on Guns America? Looks nice except for a horrible hand-wore patch on the receiver. $1500 is the asking price, which might be reasonable if 90% or better.

Mine's 181xx, made in 1928 or so. It has the curved cocking plunger which makes me wonder as to when Winchester adopted that feature. I'm curious about the change in takedown knobs, which I've never noticed. The buttplate I have is very similar though an undersized period piece. I'd bet it fits the '07. Thanks to my great fortune, I feel obligated to locate a tang sight for the '10. Some obvious tang replacement screws point to one having been on my gun. A little research later, and I found Lyman and Marbles each made one to fit. The Lyman, probably the #2, was coded "sl" on the underside of the sight base. The Marbles was coded "13" or "13-S" and was the "Automatic Flexible... whatever". The Lyman No. 41 receiver sight was made for it too, and I have seen one on a gun. Would be nice to have a repro of it. One is being made for the Win M1895.

Well, the US military never thought too much about the '10. I've learned a 1943 booklet given to the National Guard equivalent troops about procuring civilian guns warned about the trigger sear being prone to releasing under hard jolts. Yet again, criminals and Ye olde western scroundrels used it to some extent: http://www.texancultures.utsa.edu/hiddenhistory/Pages1/EckhardtWildBunch.htm

I agree that it would make a handy trench gun: the factory sling swievels, curved plunger tip, 10 rd. + mag, heavier duty stock, etc. Instead we got the BAR 1918, and just about too late for the war too.

Trying to hunt up some Lyman moulds for the 401 too. #410426 @ 250 gr. apparently was the standard, also a #41028 @ 212 gr. just like the manual gives loads for. Would be neat to locate some 310 dies for it. Have researched that online at a collector's site: http://www3.telus.net/310outpost/chart2.htm Still need to follow your advice and get that .406" swager to take down .410" bullets.

Just trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear of course.

The last loading data I HAVE FOR THE >$)!WSL comes out of the Lyman Cast Bulklet Handbook -3rd edition (1980...which ain't bad for a round that had its only rifle dropped in the 1930's). They recommended sizing to .406" to .407", but have found .408" works better for cast bullets in this barrel.

Never did get a .401 dies et...been using a .41mag. set with a slightly smaller expander. Not a 1/2 sizer...will full length size just fine.

Fore years the #410426 was a stanbdard .41mag. bullet and listed throughout Lyman's handbooks (at least until the mold dissapeared for their current mold list). Took that as a hint and use any .41mag. bulelt sized to .408"...Hawk Bullets at least did offer good jacketed bullets for this round (and the 235gr. isn't exactly a match for any of the traditional weights, but works great).

Asa some one alrady trimmed the barrel some time in the past, didn't sweat the Lyman sight beingf in place...does hunt well, and as any collectors interrest evaporated with the barrel trim job, it's acceptable.

To be truthful, cast bullets and the .401WSL has been a frustrating experence. Geting accuray hasn't been a problem...getting functioning hasn't been a problem...getting BOTh functioning and accuracy has been a problem.

Accuracy isn't an issue for me. If it'll group on a sheet of paper, I'm happy. Cast bullets are fun loads, I wouldn't use them for hunting. Now I'll have to check my edition # of the Handbook. :D

I've found RCBS, Redding, C&H, and best of all, Lee dies for the 401. I've heard your recommendation for using 41 Mag dies before, but I'd prefer to buy Lee dies for the price. Now who knew Lee made 'em? I almost fell off my seat when I found out.

I wonder what factory records remain to this date, of the model '10. The number produced is known to a "T" and how many each year, yet no shipping records or factory serial # records. **** the '94 collectors for their plethora of records! Guess I'll have to order Henwood's book. Found it for $30 online.

Did you get copies of the articles? If not let me know as I have those issues.

Did you get copies of the articles? If not let me know as I have those issues.

Yes, I'm still looking for copies or scans of these articles. Beats ordering a back issue. Might be interesting to see what good ole Ken Waters had to say about this model. Shame on Handloader for never covering the 401 Winchester. They clumped it together with the 351 Winchester in a Cartridge Board article in '92 by Gil Sengel, and I was truly disappointed by his lacklustre research into it. Al Miller mentioned that he once wanted a model '10 when he reviewed Henwood's book. Said he wanted it as a kid because Babe Ruth was advertised as liking the rifle.

The RifleShooter article is my high priority right now. Unsure if it was 2001 or 2002. Going to check out a gunshow this weekend and look for a copy.

RMH,

If you'll PM me with your e-mail address I can scan the article from my Rifle 79 and send it to you. It's two facing pages but my scanner only does 8.5 x 11 so it'll be two scans. Sorry, but I haven't got "Rifle" No. 1.

RMH:
Sorry...been hiding from Ivan...the stacks of old magazines are UNDER all the other stuff I put in the shed...will dig down to them as I can.

PM me with your email address and I'll scan the article in Rifle #1 for you.

Hello, fellas. I just picked up a Winchester Model 1910 in almost new condition. It has a 14xxx serial # giving it a 1917 date of manufacture.

If someone would be kind enough to e-mail me copies of the above-mentioned articles, I'd be deeply appreciative. Thanks!

Also, a very Merry Christmas to everyone. ;)

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