1. Personal life time busted extractor score:
Remington type: 0
Claw type: 1
Mauser type: 3
Pressed/bent sheet steel on cheap .22's: ran out of fingers and toes.

Only conclusion I've reached is a highly unpoular one: making a compound, multi-thickness spring of Mauser length and complexity may not be as compatable with modern mass production as it would seem.

2. Haveing been addicted to pocket pistols for some time, with perhaps 30 or 40 of them passing through my hands over the years, the .32acps have been more likely to function with random ammo than the .380's. Not defending their ballistic properties, just observing that this may well be one reason for their European popularity.

3. Based on the ballance of pennetration, patterning, and energy delivered at buckshot range (call it 25-30yards), I keep coming up with #1 buck. MAy be splitting ballistic hairs...Keith had this thing for #3 bird shot...but then again, have any of you tired #3 shot?

4. I do not care a bit for the current "Euro-trash" style of shotgun and rifle carbine.

5. That SIG with the rainbow colored slide...do you get a great big gold chain, medallion, and sights on the side to go with that?

6. Believe the .45GAP was a designed by P.T. Barnum's spirit being channeled.


I feel somewhat better now...sometimes you just have to lance those festering boils.

Just to be a contrary PIA:
Remington type extractors busted: 3
Sako type: 0
Mauser and other brand claw types: 0
:D

Just to be a contrary PIA:
Remington type extractors busted: 3
Sako type: 0
Mauser and other brand claw types: 0
:D

Realize it may well be luck..some dark cloud that follows just me...but have the pieces of busted extractors in the junk box (uncovering one is hwat prompted the outburst). For what it's worth, the old one's extractors (WWI issue to WWII) show every sign of being good for another 80 years.

May as well add two more unpopular statements:

7. Have had six Walther PP's, PPK's, PPKs's pass though, both new and used. NONE of them could stumble through a box of ball ammo without gagging. Now some of that is my fault, as the slide tends to dig two lines through the web of my hand with all of them. I'm sure that the meat of my hand that gets caught in the works slows the slide velocity considerably, not enough fat content in my skinny self to make the missing skin/meat a decnet lubricant, and blood loss may have weakened my grip.

Reguardless of the cause... it would have happened in real use just as it did on the range...have no use for the PP/PPK's.

8. How the devil did we manage to win WWII with a pistol that obviously needs $1000 of work to get "right"?

5. That SIG with the rainbow colored slide...do you get a great big gold chain, medallion, and sights on the side to go with that?


No, I think it is more girly than ghetto though, my fiancee thinks so also. I'll post pics when it comes back from Sig, apparently the finish is very fragile :( We've had two so far both sent back due to scratches or dents in the finish.

"Realize it may well be luck.."
I think you're 100% right-for both of us. I was struck by how exactly opposite our experiences had been. Of course, neither of us is a big enough database to make any convincing judgements on.
Even further, my father has a Walther PP- WW11 vintage in 32- can't recall that thing ever failing to feed.

8. How the devil did we manage to win WWII with a pistol that obviously needs $1000 of work to get "right"?
I must take issue with this comment. A real 1911 - 1911A1 needs nothing to function properly other than a magazine full of ball ammo.
Other than a throat job so they will feed "civilian commercial" ammo and sights that can been seen, the 1911 / A1's NEED nothing.
All these geegaws that are stuck on, and modifications that are done to them are just window dressing that doesn't NEED to be there.

I've had a bunch of them, and none of them needed much of anything to be "right".

John Brownings 1911 and later 1911A1 was the ipitamy of the K.I.S.S. principle. 90% of the mofications that have come about violate this principle. Deviating from the base design just makes it less reliable in the long run.


Extractors Broken: Last 31 years = 0


Joe

Extractor failures:
Remington bolt actions 1
Remington Auto's 6
Remington 870's 4
Remington 1100's 14
Military Mausers 0
Winchester Mod 70's 3
Sako 1
S&W Mod 39 & 59's 13
1911's 6
Browning A5 1
Winchester 94's 0
Marlin 336's 0
Winchester 92's 5
Marlin 1894's (old) 4
Marlin 1894's (new) 2

As far as Walther PP,PPK,and PPKS's My experience has been nothing but bad. Most reliable .380"s have been Beretta Model 70's.
All information posted is from shop records of three year duration and personnal firearms.

Lee L.

J Miller:
I have to admit, most o the extractors I replaced in 1911's were on competition guns that had been modified. the others were mostly commercial late construction, usualy soft extractors with one that I can remember the owner had tried to polish the extractor and ground the beck edge too much. one was a WWI issue that had the extractor rusted in place. Most 1911 failures are due to amatures trying to tighten the slides up and working on the feed ramp and sears. As issued the 1911 was an extreemly serviceable weapon, and could keep 10 shots on a dinner plate at 50 yards. The bad rap the 1911's received was tales told to recuits about terrible recoil, making them scared of the 1911, resulting in poor marksmanship.

Lee L.

How about a jam or stovepipe on a semi-auto?
I've heard about problems with improper bullet seating causing problems with wheelguns but then I've never ever had a malfunction with a wheelgun. Semi Autos well I don't use them for defense anymore.

Lee L.

That's a lot of broken extractors...wasn't posting about failure to extract, was posting about failure (breaking as in a big chunk snapped off) of the extractor itself.

J.Miller:

Was backing into the point, and you took it just the way I feel about it.

Lee L.

That's a lot of broken extractors...wasn't posting about failure to extract, was posting about failure (breaking as in a big chunk snapped off) of the extractor itself.

J.Miller:

Was backing into the point, and you took it just the way I feel about it.

Most were just chipped or loss of tension where they were not able to extract. some just had the hook broken off, except for one remington, there wasn't an extractor in the gun. (a 742) customer said that he didn't do anything to firearm, just that it worked during deer season, the year before, but it wouldn't extract the shell that season. (no sign the rifle had been taken apart). Most extraction problems are due to lack of tension from the extractor. A lot of extraction problems are due to dirty chambers. Made more repairs just cleaning and polishing the chambers, than replacing extractors. Most of the 1100 Remingtons broke the extractor right at the hook.

Lee L.

How about a jam or stovepipe on a semi-auto?
I've heard about problems with improper bullet seating causing problems with wheelguns but then I've never ever had a malfunction with a wheelgun. Semi Autos well I don't use them for defense anymore.
What kind of semi-auto? Ruger 10/22's are famous for having a loose hook extractor that several aftermarket extractor brands take care of and pretty much eliminate stovepipe jams.