Marshall, did you ever write that article on accurizing the model 92's? I don't get a chance to check in too often, so I would appreciate a link to that article, if you have one.
Thanks,
Ross, alias dzrtram, alias Desert Ram

dz...

I expect we will perhaps see the article in a few months. My understanding is that Marshall is catching up on things at Beartooth and we must wait a while yet.

Look at it like a pending Christmas present 8*)

My guess is that it will be well worth the wait!

My best,

Scotty

Thanks, Scotty,
I was wondering what happened to all the 92 owners. Seems like it's real hard to get a response to a post these days. I really enjoy discussing the strengths and weaknesses of the Ross/Puma 92. It is a beautful rifle. I hope the discussions pick up some in the near future.
Ross


dz...

I expect we will perhaps see the article in a few months. My understanding is that Marshall is catching up on things at Beartooth and we must wait a while yet.

Look at it like a pending Christmas present 8*)

My guess is that it will be well worth the wait!

My best,

Scotty

dzrtram,

I only respond to questions and comments about 92s, when I know something and can contribute.

As for the low number of responses, I've seen it as well across all the forums I frequent. About most of the subjects, not just 92s.

If you go to http://www.leverguns.com/ and look through there, you will find a section with articles. Look for one written by Paco Kelly about accurizing lever guns. May not be exactly what you're looking for, but it's well worth the look see. If you haven't been there, the forum is great too.

Joe

Joe, you are sadlly correct. I find the same problem on my Dodge and offroad forums, as well as on most gun forums. Very few people reply to even the most simple question.
One question I asked was about what people were finding to be the best brand, load, bullet, etc. in their 92s. I thought it would be good to see what people are having succes with, and possibly in what situation, and what ammo seems to be the least effective in the 92. Not one reply. On the old Marlin Talk site I would have been swamped with replies if I asked that question of a Marlin.
From what little I've been able to see on various posts, it seems every 92 is different. The one constant I've seemed to find is that the 260gr Magtech works well in just about all 92s.
Thanks for your response

dzrtram,

I only respond to questions and comments about 92s, when I know something and can contribute.

As for the low number of responses, I've seen it as well across all the forums I frequent. About most of the subjects, not just 92s.

If you go to http://www.leverguns.com/ and look through there, you will find a section with articles. Look for one written by Paco Kelly about accurizing lever guns. May not be exactly what you're looking for, but it's well worth the look see. If you haven't been there, the forum is great too.

Joe

dzrtram,

I'm not sure, but I think this upcoming election has people distracted and spooked. My wife does crafts. We noticed years ago that when an election year come up sales drop through the basement.

As for loads on the 92's I can't help much. Mine was a lemon from the start. I've posted several times here about it. I've got most of the mechancial bugs out of it now, but I don't have an outdoor 100 yard range to shoot at near me. So up till now all I've shot mine at is a 25 yard indoor range. Not condusive to any form of accuracy or load testing. Costs too much to sit and test.

So I've just been playing with the same ammo I load for my Ruger BH.

At 25 yards I've noticed it does better with bullets sized .454" and pushed to pressures at the top end of standard up towards +P .45 Colt levels.
I've only tried one +P load from it though, and that was 19.5grs 2400 under a 300gr TCFP cast bullet. Data from Hodgdons #26. This grouped pretty good, but untill I can get a membership in a gun club with a 100 yard range, I'm just guessing.

Joe

I understand. If these guys are as scared as I am they're probably frozen with fear. I've never been so upset with an election in my life, and I first voted in the JFK/Nixon election.
Have you seen the list of Kerry supporters on GunBlast.com? Doesn't surprise me a bit.

Your experience with the 92 is not uncommon. I knew this could be a problem so I ordered my gun through a gunsmith and had it worked over before I ever got it. That was a very fortunate decision. The darned gun was a mess. It took two gunsmiths--one providing parts, the other the labor-- to fix it. Now it's accurate and feeds ammo smoothly, IF I use the 250 Magtech in .454. It doesn't feed as well with bigger bullets. Takes anything and everything in .45 Colt.

What was wrong with your 92 and how did you fix it?

Ross




dzrtram,

I'm not sure, but I think this upcoming election has people distracted and spooked. My wife does crafts. We noticed years ago that when an election year come up sales drop through the basement.

As for loads on the 92's I can't help much. Mine was a lemon from the start. I've posted several times here about it. I've got most of the mechancial bugs out of it now, but I don't have an outdoor 100 yard range to shoot at near me. So up till now all I've shot mine at is a 25 yard indoor range. Not condusive to any form of accuracy or load testing. Costs too much to sit and test.

So I've just been playing with the same ammo I load for my Ruger BH.

At 25 yards I've noticed it does better with bullets sized .454" and pushed to pressures at the top end of standard up towards +P .45 Colt levels.
I've only tried one +P load from it though, and that was 19.5grs 2400 under a 300gr TCFP cast bullet. Data from Hodgdons #26. This grouped pretty good, but untill I can get a membership in a gun club with a 100 yard range, I'm just guessing.

Joe

My first presidential election was in 72. If my distracted mind is correct that was a Nixon vote.
Or have I missed one? I just sat here and tried to back track on the elections. Probably forgot somebody.
Afraid of this election, absolutly. If Kerry wins I'm afraid this will be the last election ever held here as a sovereign nation. Especially if Clinton become the Sec Gen of the UN. Bad bad bad for everyone in the world.
I've seen the list over at Gunblast. It scares me. I can't understand why those otherwise intelegent people support a traitorous socialist like Kerry.

As for my Rossi 92, it simply would not feed anything. Not factory ammo, not my reloads, nothing. The cartridge rims would bind up as they passed through the cartridge guide.

I'm not sure exactly what was done to fix it. I sent it to Mike at M&M and he did the work. I asked him to modify the feeding so it would feed the longer nosed Keith bullets at the same time. And the only work I can see that was done was some modification to the carrier, and some polishing to the ejector face. I called him and asked him about it, and he said he has had so many that have this problem, that he has a list of things he does and checks on every one of them. So mine didn't ring a bell at all. But it works now.

All that's left to do now is reweld the magazine end cap retaining screw hole in the bottom of the barrel, and redrill it. It was drilled at about 5:15 on the barrel, instead of 6:00 and this puts the mag tube in a bind. Eventually the hole will be peened out and the mag end cap tube screw will have no hole to hold it.
Like I said, this thing was a lemon.


Joe

I guess they are all different due to sloppy quality control. That's why I asked the question about ammo preference. I just wanted to see what the trend is toward the best ammo.

If you get a good one, or have a smith work it over, they are a wonderful little gun. The lever on mine is so smooth it amazed the guys at the gun shop (FFL dealer that brought it in for me).

As for the election, we may be looking at Hillary Clinton as Chief Justice of the Supreme Court if Kerry gets in. Tuesday is going to be a long, long day, but what's worse is that it may be longer than a one-day wait, as in 2000.

Here we go again...................

Ross



My first presidential election was in 72. If my distracted mind is correct that was a Nixon vote.
Or have I missed one? I just sat here and tried to back track on the elections. Probably forgot somebody.
Afraid of this election, absolutly. If Kerry wins I'm afraid this will be the last election ever held here as a sovereign nation. Especially if Clinton become the Sec Gen of the UN. Bad bad bad for everyone in the world.
I've seen the list over at Gunblast. It scares me. I can't understand why those otherwise intelegent people support a traitorous socialist like Kerry.

As for my Rossi 92, it simply would not feed anything. Not factory ammo, not my reloads, nothing. The cartridge rims would bind up as they passed through the cartridge guide.

I'm not sure exactly what was done to fix it. I sent it to Mike at M&M and he did the work. I asked him to modify the feeding so it would feed the longer nosed Keith bullets at the same time. And the only work I can see that was done was some modification to the carrier, and some polishing to the ejector face. I called him and asked him about it, and he said he has had so many that have this problem, that he has a list of things he does and checks on every one of them. So mine didn't ring a bell at all. But it works now.

All that's left to do now is reweld the magazine end cap retaining screw hole in the bottom of the barrel, and redrill it. It was drilled at about 5:15 on the barrel, instead of 6:00 and this puts the mag tube in a bind. Eventually the hole will be peened out and the mag end cap tube screw will have no hole to hold it.
Like I said, this thing was a lemon.


Joe

While I am sure that the whole political nightmare is partly to blame, it is still Fall in many parts of the country (I think ;*) and hunting seasons are still going on. Winter months tend to bring a few more folks in for some recreatin' in front of the PC.

I have not had good luck with jacketed bullets in my 92 but have found that a gas checked cast will go downrange with good accuracy. I did purchase a box of BB 360 grain cast that have proven themselves very accurate but rather invigorating to shoot from the little fofittyfo.

I have also gotten good accuracy with a 255 ColoradoCast bullet over 5 grains of RedDot in a .45Colt case. No recoil to speak of and well within minute of grouse.

All in all, I find myself infatuated with the little lever and ponder what they could be like with strict adherance to QC issues, quality hardwood or synthetic stocks and better sights.

Paco Kelly's article on accurizing a lever gun has application to these rifles as well as Marshalls method of firelapping the barrels (I have not done mine yet either) but I am sure there are other things that can be done to tweek the most from the little 92's.

Hopefully, more will be revealed as folks keep tinkering with tbem and sharing results with others.

One of my goals for this winter is to dig up the old thread on Sabot rounds for the 45Colt and see what happens when done up in .454 brass. It may make the foxes and lynx jumpy if nothing else!

Scotty

I am waiting for Marshal's article to come out before I order my firelapping supplies. I want to read as much about it before I do it and even though I have his book I still want to get the latest information.

I think that hunting season has got people ties up as well as getting all of the fall chores done before snow flies...at least here in Vermont.

Keep your fingers crossed and get out to vote is about all we can do for the election. I think that this one will be another legal wrangling, so we won't have an answer for a while.

Marshall, did you ever write that article on accurizing the model 92's? I don't get a chance to check in too often, so I would appreciate a link to that article, if you have one.
Thanks,
Ross, alias dzrtram, alias Desert Ram

Ross,

No, I'm sorry to say that I haven't finished the article as of yet! THis is of course our very busiest time of year.... kind of our make-it-or-break-it season. Actually most of my writing is done in December through April each year, as it's my slack time, and sixteen hours of darkness here in the Panhandle of Idaho is conducive to writing, as outdoor activities are finished by four in the afternoon usually!

Articles in the upcoming hopper, currently in various stages of completion, hopefully to be done through the winter:

Accurizing the Model 92
Levergun/Sixgun companions
Part I .357 Magnum
Part II .44 Magnum
Part III .45 Colt
Specialty loads for sixguns
.444 Marlin America's Most Versatile Big-Bore,
Part IV Loads With Bullets 250g-300g
Part V Reduced Velocity Loads
Part VI Specialty Loads
Part VII Customizing/Accessorizing The .444
How Safe Is Your Data?
Ruger Single Actions: America's Best Do-It-Yourself Kit!
Game Stopping Loads for the .45ACP
Do Your Own Bluing On A Budget!
Homegrown Trapper
Part I The Basic Budget Rifle
Part II The Makover Begins
Part III An Affordable Project
Part IV Tricking It Out!
Big-Bore Handguns: Marvelous Mid-Velocity Loads!
Taming The .375 H&H
Domesticating the .458 African!

How many of these will see completion in our dark winter months will remain to be seen, but much of the data, the photographs and the outlines for these articles are already done, it's just me finding the time to write the text, edit and optimize the photos and to make the tables and graphs with the data in order to get them online.

Thanks for asking, and for your interest! Hopefully I'll have lots of new articles for your enjoyment throughout the winter months.

God bless,

Marshall

Your list of upcoming articles sounds terrific! Looks like we are going to have some interesting reading this winter.

Best Regards

Kanuck

I am beginning to salavate on the keyboard...

Thanks, Marshall. I apreciate the info. Sounds great.
Ross

My Puma 454 wouldn't feed factory ammo either. Only about 1 in 4 of either the 260 or 300 gr Winchester loads. I sent it in to M&M on warranty and now it feeds everything I've fed it, although I've not tried any LFN loads yet. I've since done my own action and trigger work and it cycles slicker'n owl scat. I've yet to have a failure to feed, fire or eject. I followed instructions from these (http://www.cascity.com/cgi-bin/news/print.pl?article=10) two (http://www.marauder13.homestead.com/files/Rossitune.htm) websites, doing a little at a time in two or three steps. Reassembly is a little tricky, but I couldn't be happier with the results. My next job will be firelapping. I understand Marshall recommends soft (10bhn?), oversize (+0.002?), slow (800fps?) bullets, correct?
What kind of lapping compound is used, Clover? What grit?
Thanks!