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kublai Khan
11-11-2004, 04:22 PM
It came into my mind, that if I find a good gunsmith, (not like the one that messed my T38 barrel) I might change my Remington 722 from 222 to 22-250. I saw that it's relatively easy. I believe it's a matter of changing the chamber and exchanging the bolt. maybe a M700 308 or 243 bolt will work. In the worst case, some bolt work might be needed. Like bolt refacing and trueing of the original one. As you know, .222 is good for small game hunting, but 22-250 is good enough even for deer hunting. Besides, 22-250 can be reloaded with up to 80 grain bullets. The good chance is that the action and the magazine are ready for that conversion, because 722 rifle was made also in 22-250. Tha magazine work (I think) will only be: spacer removing, spring and follower exchange. Sound good. What's your opinión?

PD: Please don't advise me to buy another rifle. Understand that I like to experiment with them.

ribbonstone
11-11-2004, 08:19 PM
You won't be using those heavy weight bullets in a rechambered .222 barrel...the twist (proably 1:14) will be too slow for anything heavier than about 60gr. even with the extra speed a 22/250 can generate.

Now that bullet weight-limit is really a bullet-LENGTH limit...the blunter nosed Speer 70gr. bullet would work, but the HPBT Match 68's and 69's won't...those HPBT's are just too long for a 1:14 twist.

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Just a thought...had a hunting buddy that used a 22/250 built on an Jap action for a lot of years. Wasn't a show-case custom gun, just a working rifle...and he worked it for better than 30years without a complaint (but with two barrel changes).

kublai Khan
11-12-2004, 08:29 AM
You won't be using those heavy weight bullets in a rechambered .222 barrel...the twist (proably 1:14) will be too slow for anything heavier than about 60gr. even with the extra speed a 22/250 can generate.

Now that bullet weight-limit is really a bullet-LENGTH limit...the blunter nosed Speer 70gr. bullet would work, but the HPBT Match 68's and 69's won't...those HPBT's are just too long for a 1:14 twist.

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Just a thought...had a hunting buddy that used a 22/250 built on an Jap action for a lot of years. Wasn't a show-case custom gun, just a working rifle...and he worked it for better than 30years without a complaint (but with two barrel changes).

Thanks, I 'm not good in bullet weights. I will have to seek for some literature about that topic, before I try to experiment with reloading. But, what about the conversion? Do you think I will get enough improvment from that 722-222 moving it to 22-250? What about 220 Swift?

ribbonstone
11-12-2004, 03:17 PM
Thanks, I 'm not good in bullet weights. I will have to seek for some literature about that topic, before I try to experiment with reloading. But, what about the conversion? Do you think I will get enough improvment from that 722-222 moving it to 22-250? What about 220 Swift?

Personally, won't use .224" bullets of any weight on deer, but recognize that there are those that do. OF those that do, seems lkike 60-70gr. at 3000-3100 can be considered a minimum...and that proably rules out the small cased .22's.

Bullet construction would be the key...and did notice an ad for Nolser Partitions, but don't remember their weight or length. Need a bullet that is constructed NOT to expand like a varmint bullet but to hold together and give some penetration with controled expansion.

Although I've watched people shoot deer with a .22/250 using standard 55gr. bullets and they've dropped like a sack of door knobs, the shooter had passed on several shots that could have been made with a more powerful rifle, waiting for that classic broad side shot and slipping it in without hitting major bone. IF you are cool and calm enough to say "No" until the right shot comes along (even if it means you go home deerless), the .224" bores can work.

As for your conversion...have to say you seem fixated on the idea of converting something. Would be money well ahead to sell the .222 and buy a used .22/250...even if you have to kick in $150-$200, would be ahead.

kublai Khan
11-12-2004, 05:49 PM
Personally, won't use .224" bullets of any weight on deer, but recognize that there are those that do. OF those that do, seems lkike 60-70gr. at 3000-3100 can be considered a minimum...and that proably rules out the small cased .22's.

Bullet construction would be the key...and did notice an ad for Nolser Partitions, but don't remember their weight or length. Need a bullet that is constructed NOT to expand like a varmint bullet but to hold together and give some penetration with controled expansion.

Although I've watched people shoot deer with a .22/250 using standard 55gr. bullets and they've dropped like a sack of door knobs, the shooter had passed on several shots that could have been made with a more powerful rifle, waiting for that classic broad side shot and slipping it in without hitting major bone. IF you are cool and calm enough to say "No" until the right shot comes along (even if it means you go home deerless), the .224" bores can work.

As for your conversion...have to say you seem fixated on the idea of converting something. Would be money well ahead to sell the .222 and buy a used .22/250...even if you have to kick in $150-$200, would be ahead.

He,he, he...you're **** right. I have an obsesive idea for convesions, like I say on my the beginning of the post, I make if for learning purposes, and to generate discussion on topics that I like. I (maybe wrongly) find more amusing to do things to get a learning benefit, that just selling and buying. But thanks for your comments. In fact, a friend of mine is interested on that 722 as it is, as he likes varmint hunting very much (coyote, and such) so, it might be gone soon.

ribbonstone
11-12-2004, 07:06 PM
He,he, he...you're **** right. I have an obsesive idea for convesions, like I say on my the beginning of the post, I make if for learning purposes, and to generate discussion on topics that I like. I (maybe wrongly) find more amusing to do things to get a learning benefit, that just selling and buying. But thanks for your comments. In fact, a friend of mine is interested on that 722 as it is, as he likes varmint hunting very much (coyote, and such) so, it might be gone soon.

Are several of us that like the 722's...good simple rifles without at lot of eye-candy hanging off them (swear...some rifles look like you drug them through a pimp's closet with a crap-magnent attached).

I do keep an old Savage 340V in .225Win. for two reasons: (1) is shoots cast bullets very well (2) it shoots the 70gr. Speer very well. One is for plinking, and the other could probly be used for deer...I've resisted that temptaion at least to date.

Have also been (justifibly) told that I've shown more interrest in broken guns than in working ones.

kublai Khan
11-12-2004, 08:42 PM
Are several of us that like the 722's...good simple rifles without at lot of eye-candy hanging off them (swear...some rifles look like you drug them through a pimp's closet with a crap-magnent attached).

I do keep an old Savage 340V in .225Win. for two reasons: (1) is shoots cast bullets very well (2) it shoots the 70gr. Speer very well. One is for plinking, and the other could probly be used for deer...I've resisted that temptaion at least to date.

Have also been (justifibly) told that I've shown more interrest in broken guns than in working ones.

I'm a little it like that. And you're right, the 722 is a very simple gun. Even the trigger is simple. Mine is very accurate, because it has a 26" barrel, seated on a heavy bird's eye target custom made wood stock. It has glass bedding on the barrel channel. So no complain about it. Even my son insists that he wants to keep it as his heritage.......

MikeG
11-12-2004, 09:46 PM
.some rifles look like you drug them through a pimp's closet with a crap-magnent attached.




Ha ha ha ha ha ha..... considered a career in writing? That is a phrase I'll have to remember.....

humpty
11-13-2004, 11:53 AM
Check your state laws before hunting deer with any 22.
Personally, the .222 is such an outstanding cartridge, I'd hate to see you ruin the rifle. Sell it to someone who wants one, and buy another in the cal of interest. I can't speak for today, but when I was a kid, the .222 was the most accurate of the 22s.
Humpty

Deer Assassin
11-15-2004, 06:19 AM
K-K,

in rechambering your 222 to the 22-250, that is just a simple rechambering job BUT, instead of having to buy a new bolt, just have the gunsmith open the bolt face and install a Sako extractor. Most gunsmiths charge around $75.00 for the bolt face conversion and it's probably cheaper than replacing the bolt itself....

D.A.

kublai Khan
11-16-2004, 11:26 AM
K-K,

in rechambering your 222 to the 22-250, that is just a simple rechambering job BUT, instead of having to buy a new bolt, just have the gunsmith open the bolt face and install a Sako extractor. Most gunsmiths charge around $75.00 for the bolt face conversion and it's probably cheaper than replacing the bolt itself....

D.A.

I agree with you....I guess aroud $200 USD for the whole job. That's why I thought the chance to do that conversion..