lapsub
11-14-2004, 03:14 PM
hello all. i recently bought a fine double rifle. please help me identify it.
the barrels are unmarked except under the forend. there it says "Bemesu" in a florid script on the bottom of the barrels just forward of the breech.
when you break the action open, you can see that the receiver is also marked with that name. also the serial number 54XX appears near Bemesu in both places.
conceivably it could be Remesu, Bemesee or Remesee, but i think not.
to the right of the Bemesu name under the barrels, it says "8H" or "SH" again in florid script.
the following marks are all on the undersides of both barrels just forward of the breech, the same marks on the right barrel and again on the left, except as noted:
an outline of a crown over a capital N. the crown is topped by a small cross. inside the crown are what look like two capital I's next to each other : II but they are at a slight angle to each other so that their tops form a slightly peaked roof. it almost looks like a symbol for a house inside the crown.
to the right of the crown-N, the letters "St. m. G." and directly below the St m G it says "18 gr" which i assume means 18 gram bullet, about 276 grains.
nearby it says "9 mm" and immediately below that it says 75
on the left barrel only, below below the 9 mm 75 it says "10/24" so i assume it was made in october of 1924
immediately below the 10/24 is a strange symbol that looks like the greek letter "pi" with a small circle on top of it. it could be a stylized human form; it looks sort of like this:
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below that, there are a series of three more proof marks, each a crown-with-cross over a capital letter: one is crown-U, the 2nd is crown-E, the 3rd is crown-G
the receiver has the same crown-U.
i just had a gunsmith slug the barrel and make a chamber casting. i'm going to mike it tomorrow (left my calipers at work, oops) but i am pretty sure it is 9.3x74R, and that is what it was advertised as when i bought it.
the 9 mm proof mark is bore diameter (versus 9.3 is groove), i would assume. (my boss says "ASSUME" is a bad word which stands for "make an *** out of U and ME", heh, heh, heh.)
i can not explain the 75 instead of 74 unless the proof house waas stating that the chamber was 1 mm longer than the brass case length...?
the only other mark on the rifle is a capital S on the underside of the rib that joins the barrel; the S is just forward of the forend hanger.
do any of you experts recognize the proof marks? the name Bemesu? is it austrian, german or maybe even swiss or dutch? perhaps a ferlach rifle...?
this is a magnificent old rifle, well made, extensively engraved, and fitted with claw mounts and an old zeiss scope. i sure would appreciate any help you gents can give me.
one last thing: it is a clamshell action, there are curved wings on each side of the breech so that when the breech ends of the barrels lock down against the the receiver, their is a steel shell along the left side of the left barrel and along the right side of the right barrel. these extend alongside the barrels for over an inch forward of the breechfaces, and extend halfway up the side of the barrels. this gives tremendous lateral strength ot the breech mechanism and will not allow the barrels to wiggle sideways even a tiny little bit. unusual design.
thanks again, guys
the barrels are unmarked except under the forend. there it says "Bemesu" in a florid script on the bottom of the barrels just forward of the breech.
when you break the action open, you can see that the receiver is also marked with that name. also the serial number 54XX appears near Bemesu in both places.
conceivably it could be Remesu, Bemesee or Remesee, but i think not.
to the right of the Bemesu name under the barrels, it says "8H" or "SH" again in florid script.
the following marks are all on the undersides of both barrels just forward of the breech, the same marks on the right barrel and again on the left, except as noted:
an outline of a crown over a capital N. the crown is topped by a small cross. inside the crown are what look like two capital I's next to each other : II but they are at a slight angle to each other so that their tops form a slightly peaked roof. it almost looks like a symbol for a house inside the crown.
to the right of the crown-N, the letters "St. m. G." and directly below the St m G it says "18 gr" which i assume means 18 gram bullet, about 276 grains.
nearby it says "9 mm" and immediately below that it says 75
on the left barrel only, below below the 9 mm 75 it says "10/24" so i assume it was made in october of 1924
immediately below the 10/24 is a strange symbol that looks like the greek letter "pi" with a small circle on top of it. it could be a stylized human form; it looks sort of like this:
O
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below that, there are a series of three more proof marks, each a crown-with-cross over a capital letter: one is crown-U, the 2nd is crown-E, the 3rd is crown-G
the receiver has the same crown-U.
i just had a gunsmith slug the barrel and make a chamber casting. i'm going to mike it tomorrow (left my calipers at work, oops) but i am pretty sure it is 9.3x74R, and that is what it was advertised as when i bought it.
the 9 mm proof mark is bore diameter (versus 9.3 is groove), i would assume. (my boss says "ASSUME" is a bad word which stands for "make an *** out of U and ME", heh, heh, heh.)
i can not explain the 75 instead of 74 unless the proof house waas stating that the chamber was 1 mm longer than the brass case length...?
the only other mark on the rifle is a capital S on the underside of the rib that joins the barrel; the S is just forward of the forend hanger.
do any of you experts recognize the proof marks? the name Bemesu? is it austrian, german or maybe even swiss or dutch? perhaps a ferlach rifle...?
this is a magnificent old rifle, well made, extensively engraved, and fitted with claw mounts and an old zeiss scope. i sure would appreciate any help you gents can give me.
one last thing: it is a clamshell action, there are curved wings on each side of the breech so that when the breech ends of the barrels lock down against the the receiver, their is a steel shell along the left side of the left barrel and along the right side of the right barrel. these extend alongside the barrels for over an inch forward of the breechfaces, and extend halfway up the side of the barrels. this gives tremendous lateral strength ot the breech mechanism and will not allow the barrels to wiggle sideways even a tiny little bit. unusual design.
thanks again, guys