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Renny
11-15-2004, 11:10 AM
Wondering? If you want to shoot say 135gr of Hodgen or Pyrodex, can you load 2-50 gr pellets and 35 grs. of loose powder on top? Will this work?
philcv
11-15-2004, 02:31 PM
Why would you want to? If you are going to that trouble why not use the much cheaper loose powder for the whole load?
Renny
11-16-2004, 11:06 AM
Hi philcv, 1) I was told at the sporting goods store that the pelets burn quicker and offer more velocity. 2) If that's true it would be just as easy to drop two 50 gr. pelletts down the barrell and 35gr of powder as it would be to pour 135gr of loose powder down the barrell. I guess it's no big deal I just haven't had any one to answer my question.
ribbonstone
11-16-2004, 03:37 PM
Hi philcv, 1) I was told at the sporting goods store that the pelets burn quicker and offer more velocity. 2) If that's true it would be just as easy to drop two 50 gr. pelletts down the barrell and 35gr of powder as it would be to pour 135gr of loose powder down the barrell. I guess it's no big deal I just haven't had any one to answer my question.
Got me to thinking...have some 50cal pellets a friend gave me after selling his inline....have the loose pyrodex on hand. Wondering if there would be any difference in putting the loose first, and two pellets on top. Pellet, then loose, then pellet. Pellet, pellet, then loose.
Just something to do to burn up the pellets (which I'm not a fan of).
philcv
11-16-2004, 04:26 PM
i dont know what you are shooting but the advantage of the loose powder is for one cost. Figure it out what you paid for the pellets per pound, then figure the cost of the loose. Secondly, loose allows you to work up a load. All MLs are different, in most cases 135 gr is way too much powder to get the job done.
Gil Martin
11-16-2004, 05:21 PM
This is a good dicsussion, but I agree that 135 grains of powder is a potent load and more than I would want to shoot. All the best...
Gil
Red Pepper
11-16-2004, 05:40 PM
Actually, I've read that Triple 7 pellets have the same performance as Pyrodex pellets, but the loose powder is 15% more powerful. You'll be ahead with both convenience and velocity if you simply use the powder.
philcv
11-17-2004, 03:27 AM
Red Pepper is correct, pyrodex pellets and 777 pellets are an equivalent load. That is why the 777 pellets are physically smaller (shorter) than pyrodex. Loose powder 777 is 15 percent more powerful.
I shoot 95 gr of pyrodex with a 295 gr powerbelt and it does the job. I shoot this out of a tC Omega. I have tried up to 150 gr of powder when I first got the rifle. The only thing I got from it was poor groups and a sore sholder.
Renny
11-17-2004, 06:05 AM
One thing we all agree on is the cost of powder vs pelletts, and that powder wins hands down. Now if some expert could answer the question which provides the most velocity, or does it matter? I shoot a TC Omega also and went to their web site but had not luck. I guess it's like most any thing else , it's what you have confidence in, but I think we're allways searching for that next level. Think I'll just stick with 135gr of powder.
ntjaxn
11-17-2004, 04:00 PM
My father in law shots a CVA in-line... his owners manual states max loads of 150 pellets but only 100 gr loose...
would conclude that the pellets are less effective per grain than loose.
Nate
They also make 30 gr. pellets. I shot with 3-30 gr. pellets for a few years. Let's see... 50 gr + 50 gr. + 30 gr. = close to 135 gr.
Dave :cool:
ribbonstone
11-17-2004, 05:50 PM
They also make 30 gr. pellets. I shot with 3-30 gr. pellets for a few years. Let's see... 50 gr + 50 gr. + 30 gr. = close to 135 gr.
Dave :cool:
While I haven't taken apart the pellets and analized them, wouldn't surprise me to find some type of binding agent being used to help them keep theri shape and not crumble arround the edges. On a guess, some form of starch compound. Wpuld add a bit of weight and perhaps slow the burn a bit...but certainly not a great percentage.
Belive the loose powder burns "faster"...more air in the mix, eaier/faster igniton between multiple grains of powder.
Renny
11-18-2004, 06:23 AM
Hey Guys, it's been a good discussion and have enjoyed the comments, but still no one has answered the question. "Can you mix pellets and powder?" Philcv may be right, in why would you want to, maybe you don't; but if we knew we would be just a little smarter.
MikeG
11-18-2004, 07:10 AM
I think I'd ask Hodgdon, to be sure.
philcv
11-18-2004, 05:51 PM
Well I own a PA Pellet flintlock that is designed to shoot pellets. The manual suggests for shooting pellets, first put 5 gr of loose BP down the barrel. Then load the pellets. I used to do that but found that if I had to load powder anyway, why use the pellets.
Tonight I loaded one pellet in my omega. I borrowed the pellet from a friend. I then added 50 gr of loose powder. I dont like shooting over 100 gr of powder in any combination, dont like the kick. Anyway, it fired a 295 gr power belt with the rest of the 3 shot group at 100 yards.
Renny
11-19-2004, 05:02 AM
Thanks Philcv, Now we know that the two can be mixed. Good hunting and God bless.
Landngroove
01-01-2005, 10:07 AM
Well I own a PA Pellet flintlock that is designed to shoot pellets. The manual suggests for shooting pellets, first put 5 gr of loose BP down the barrel. Then load the pellets. I used to do that but found that if I had to load powder anyway, why use the pellets.
Tonight I loaded one pellet in my omega. I borrowed the pellet from a friend. I then added 50 gr of loose powder. I dont like shooting over 100 gr of powder in any combination, dont like the kick. Anyway, it fired a 295 gr power belt with the rest of the 3 shot group at 100 yards.
Have you tried putting one or two charges of priming powder, from your pan charger, as a "kicker" load before loading the pellets?
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