how come so many people pick on the .40 I have a Glock 22 and feel completely assured with it. I dunno ive neevr seen the point in arguing till imblue in teh face about what caliber is better they are all fun to shoot :D, I just shoot my glocks alot and feel comfotable with them but i do have akimber 1911 that i carry when im wearing usmmer cloths. I guess i just feel that a person should carry whatever they feel most compfrtable with

I don't think anybody picks on the .40 S&W... maybe in a Glock...

A lot of PDs have the .40 S&W as their caliber.

I don't imagine that anyone who has been shot with it would be to eager to pick on it :eek: ! Some people may pick on it because it is a shortened 10 mm, sorta like a 38 special is to a 357 magnum. I have heard that Glocks do not fully support the case, but as long as your handloads are not in the "magnum" category, this should not be a problem. If you are happy with your Glock in 40, then who cares what everybody else thinks.

rt

I'll be the cranky curmugeon.
The 40 S&W is a politically correct caliber!
It was designed to replace the 10 mm, that proved to be too much for the average cop, plus the 10 had the dreaded magnum title.
The 40 gave 9mm size handguns a more suitable caliber, would give the smaller stature people a more realistic cartridge. Plus the 40 was not used by the military which would have sent the ACLU over the edge.
The 40 made the street cops feel more secure after the the FBI shoot out in Miami, with the failure of the 9mm and 38 specials, without the increase in qualifying budget required to make the average street cop proficient with the 9mm, 357 and 38spec.
All in all the 45 acp was a proven round, available but politically incorrect.
Jim

arkypete states it well. Years ago the 38's failed us in a foreign land and John M Browning gave us the .45 & the 1911. History repeated itself in Miami, thus the 10mm & smith n' wesson.

Certain agencys don't have the budget to train personel, some people will never be able to handle some of the big bores well enough to use as a carry weapon and are better off with something that works for them.

Make your personal choice well, when push comes to shove, we might only get one chance to get it right.

Hoopie,

ARKYPETE & WV HOOPIE
You are so correct!! it is great to see people that understand the situation so perfectly

The 10 MM was like the .41 Mag, just too much for some to handle, so the .40 S&W came about. Had the .41 A&E come out sooner, we probably would not have seen the .40 S&W. both seem to work well in firearms designed for cartridges in the 9 MM length, thus making grips that fit personnel with medium and smalller hands better when loaded in high capacity Mags. When a grip fits the person using it, they tend to shoot more accurately, and can make their shots count. As a LEO I carried a .41 Mag, and switched to the .41 A/E when we changed to Auto's. I own both .40 S&W's and .41 A/E's. I seem to do better with the .41, but that doesn't mean the next guy will do the same. I always beleive that a person should shoot what works best for him/her, and make every shot count. As was stated earlier, the public does not like to hear that the police are using Magnums, because they beleive that Magnums and military calibers are only meant for killing, and police officers should only wound.

Lee L.

Lee
Might I suggest that military doctrine wants to wound, disable the enemy rather then kill if side arms or rifles are the weapon in use. A wounded enemy requires people be removed from the battlefield to care for the wounded and absorbs more assets to care for the wounded. If the military wants the enemy dead large caliber weapons are used. More casualities are cause by artillery then individual weapons.
I believe law enforcement doctrine is.. the individual must be stopped from doing what ever it is that requires the officer to use his side arm, even if that means the officer kills that individual.
Another reason I like the old Colt, it's steel, if I run out of ammo I can still beat the bejabbers out of somebody with it, even if I throw it.
Jim

Not everyone picks on the 40...some pick up the 40.

Sure it's a compromise, sure it evolved from a bigger cartridge. Using that logic, the .308's a poor choice because it's a downsized 30-06.

It's a proven man stopper and some nifty, concealable
pistols are made for it. I have a 45 and it's great, but too big to pack sometimes. My little 40 packs well.

Don't want to get into repeating the above thread on effective rounds so I'll leave it at that.

Lee
Might I suggest that military doctrine wants to wound, disable the enemy rather then kill if side arms or rifles are the weapon in use. A wounded enemy requires people be removed from the battlefield to care for the wounded and absorbs more assets to care for the wounded. If the military wants the enemy dead large caliber weapons are used. More casualities are cause by artillery then individual weapons.
I believe law enforcement doctrine is.. the individual must be stopped from doing what ever it is that requires the officer to use his side arm, even if that means the officer kills that individual.
Another reason I like the old Colt, it's steel, if I run out of ammo I can still beat the bejabbers out of somebody with it, even if I throw it.
Jim


PERFECTLY STATED TOTALY CORRECT

Lee
Might I suggest that military doctrine wants to wound, disable the enemy rather then kill if side arms or rifles are the weapon in use. A wounded enemy requires people be removed from the battlefield to care for the wounded and absorbs more assets to care for the wounded. If the military wants the enemy dead large caliber weapons are used. More casualities are cause by artillery then individual weapons.
I believe law enforcement doctrine is.. the individual must be stopped from doing what ever it is that requires the officer to use his side arm, even if that means the officer kills that individual.
Another reason I like the old Colt, it's steel, if I run out of ammo I can still beat the bejabbers out of somebody with it, even if I throw it.
Jim

Both of us know the Military views, I spent two wars involved with them. Pardon, one war, and one Police action.
It's not what we know, but what the general public believes that I was commmenting on. You are completely right in your statement, I was refering to the beliefs of the general public. As a former LEO I know you are right on what we were taught in as far as stopping the actions of the bad guy as well. Like you, I prefer side arms made of steel for the same reason. Besides it feels like I have a firearm in my hand, and not one of Matel's shootin Shell toys.

Lee L.

Lee
Considering that 48% of the US voting population voted for Mr. Kerry, I'm not surprised at how confused and befuddled the general population is about reality.
Jim

Lee
Considering that 48% of the US voting population voted for Mr. Kerry, I'm not surprised at how confused and befuddled the general population is about reality.
Jimarkypete, if you want a first hand look at reality, just watch the student activists at any ivy league university.

arkypete, if you want a first hand look at reality, just watch the student activists at any ivy league university.

Marshal, The reason for that is that the university's allow the liberal teachers to teach their beliefs, rather than to teach what they were hired to teach. What can you expect when the professors teach disrespect for your own country, and a way of life. I wonder how many of them sit down to a meal without meat as the main course, and then they condemn hunting. They teach that guns are the problem, and therefore not necessary rather than that people are the problem.

Lee L.

You can only imagine what its like at one of the Art Institutes all the kids are anti-gun socialist whack jobs and most of the teachers are all anti gun, i've gotten into big blow outs with teachers in FRONT of the students for teaching opinions instead of facts.

44 SandW: Were you told that your facts did not agree with her opinion, and therefore you must be wrong?

Lee L.

More or less, but him btw. Its amazing the one guy said guns are weapons made to take the lives of innocent people (my ***) and i said no they are a tool blah blah we all know the way it goes. The one women (teacher) sits there and complains about President Bush 24/7 and everyone else is ammused, most days i sit there and keep my mouth shut and one day she brought up guns. The WHOLE class looked at me like "ohhhhhhhhhhhhh no..." and i burst i was very calm and told her that she is wrong and such and such so she yells at me that killing for "the fun of it" is wrong (talking about hunting) there was a major blow up and it ended with me saying "You have my assignment, im leaving." and left. She said one last thing to me (something about her stating facts), i turned pointed at her and said "You are wrong ma'am. Those are opinions, NOT facts." and we don't speak much anymore, she wont bring up guns, Bush or politics in general because she knows that i will pick apart everything she says and make her look like a fool. The only time i deal with her now is when i have to recieve and turn in assignments.