Bet this guy had to change his pants after this ...

http://myweb.cableone.net/jlflanagan/lion.wmv

What kinda' rifles & how many in use on this video? I think this would have been a good time for James Gates' DIXIE TERMINATOR SLUGS!

Whatcha' think??

GOOD LUCK!

WOW, That's wild!!!!!!!!!

Bet a Guide Gun with a mag full of BTB 425 WLN ammo would be about as good a lion stopper as anything. Helps to hit em though, don't it? Not like an Alberta boy knows a whole lot about lion stoppin!
Seriously, that just makes you crave Africa? WOW!

Regards,
Bryan.

WOW, That's wild!!!!!!!!!

Bet a Guide Gun with a mag full of BTB 425 WLN ammo would be about as good a lion stopper as anything. Helps to hit em though, don't it? Not like an Alberta boy knows a whole lot about lion stoppin!
Seriously, that just makes you crave Africa? WOW!

Regards,
Bryan.


Brian, watch the guy with the woman in the background - after the lion piles up hitting the client and starts to run off, the guy in the background takes a shot and flies backwards like he's been hit with a 600 Nitro! I'm sure it's just the recoil, but he really goes flying back on his backside from the heavy recoil - almost like Hollywood Special Effects! ;)

ALASKA (or Canada) Grizzly Bears are just as exciting, far more dangerous, and much BIGGER than that African Lion. I think the Client just messed up the hunt by wounding the lion and then had to take the charge of one very angry big cat!

BTW, I counted three rifles - nine shots all total - might be wrong. Two appeared to be client guns that were scoped and the PH had only express sights from what I could see.

GOOD LUCK!

Looks like a "canned" hunt to me. If you look closely, you can see a high fence behind the lion and appears the "hunters" are crowding against the fence. Another thing that is odd is why were there so many hunters there? Those extra folks didn't appear to be your typical trackers or skinners. I think that lion was hemmed up against the fence and had no chance for escape.

Full heavy maned lions like rarely exist in most areas of Africa anymore, unless it is a Game Farm. That video leaves me with a sick feeling.

Alyeska,
If your observation is correct, then that sick feeling is mutual.

As close as Leo came to evening the score with the man that hurt him, the real hazard seemed to be from stray bullets, not a mauling.

Regards,
Bryan

I watched the video twice. it was of poor quality - at least on my machine. I agree with 338, it does look like a high fenced area. I seen the action after the lion got to the "hunter", I thought that one of the observers was shot! I seen him go down, whats that all about. Can anybody get to the source of this video for clarification? I have lotsa' questions (just like all of you guys).

There is a bit of discussion on this video where I first saw it on the graybeard sight in the African Hunting section. Looks like a poor shot with a marginal rifle to me, but the video quality is poor.

Looks like a "canned" hunt to me. If you look closely, you can see a high fence behind the lion and appears the "hunters" are crowding against the fence. Another thing that is odd is why were there so many hunters there? Those extra folks didn't appear to be your typical trackers or skinners. I think that lion was hemmed up against the fence and had no chance for escape.

Full heavy maned lions like rarely exist in most areas of Africa anymore, unless it is a Game Farm. That video leaves me with a sick feeling.

I see what you are talking about regarding a possible fence. However, I am wondering if it isn't a power line or a telephone pole. There is one directly behind the lion (at the point of the original shot). Then in the scene where the lion is charging and gets among the "hunters", there is definitely a tall pole behind the group of people. I don't see any other poles close by - as I would assume would be spaced close by to support a large fence? then again, my video is also of poor quality and I have never seen a fence used to keep game in. I would be my guess, though, that any fence used for this purpose would have to be pretty sturdy. Just my thoughts.

I also find the "crowd" of hunters unusual. I have never hunted in Africa, but I would assume it would be pretty unusual for a crowd like that to get close to a wild lion. Still an interesting video. take care.

Jack

In the first few scenes, where the client sets up but doesn't take the shot, if you focus on the background, just behind the lion, you can see several posts in a row. As the lion runs off and the "hunters" start moving, you can make several more "posts". The posts are too close together and too thin for anything but a fence. Whether the lion was inside the fence or outside of it, I don't know, but it is awfully suspicious to me. I think that lion was cornered in a fence and couldn't escape.

In the first few scenes, where the client sets up but doesn't take the shot, if you focus on the background, just behind the lion, you can see several posts in a row. As the lion runs off and the "hunters" start moving, you can make several more "posts". The posts are too close together and too thin for anything but a fence. Whether the lion was inside the fence or outside of it, I don't know, but it is awfully suspicious to me. I think that lion was cornered in a fence and couldn't escape.

I think the version I received has been edited (I can't open the link above). Anyway, the first scene I have is the lion running right to left, behind some scrub. Then you see to of the hunters from behind walking forward - apparently towards the lion. the next scene I have is right before the first shot, when the lion is looking at the camera and then turns away as the first shot is fired. The next scene I have is as they hunters move into the open, what appears to be a telephone pole behind them, and the lion is charging. The video I received does not show a hunter lining up but not shooting. If it is in fact a cage hunt, I think it is too bad the lion didn't spend a little more time with the guy he knocked over.

I don't understand how people can get satisfaction from caged hunts. In my book, they are not hunters..

Take care.

Jack

I have not got a chance to see the video, as the link does not work for me. I can say that if it was a caged hunt of any sort that I would love to give the hunters a real cage hunt. Stick them in the fence with a knife and the lion, victor is to be set free.

Hi guys
Also cannot get the link to work, but here are some thoughts from this side of the water.

The fact that there appears to be a crowd around suggests a "canned hunt". Lions are notoriously difficult to hunt, and the avearge "party" would be limited to 3 or four (PH, client, trackers).Hunt lions by walk and stalk is notoriously difficult, and can involve days of footslogging. The answer may be that this is a fairly small game ranch, where the position of a lion can be reasonably well predicted, even so I doubt that a group as large as the one spoken of would be taken, unless the lion was well accustomed to the presence of people.


Even if this was an unusual hunt with a crowd, any decent PH would have definitely have got rid of any excess people for the follow up once a lion was wounded, as too many people means too many potential recipients of stray rounds. Some PHs will not even allow the client to participate in a follow up.

The presence of a game fence is just a reality here in Africa, and is a way of protecting your investment in the game you have stocked onto your farm, as well as protecting yourself from litigation when your lions go off and slaughter next doors prize bulls or cows. What I am trying to say here is that it is possible that the lion hunt took place in the vicinity of a game fence (the animal could even have been a problem one which kept crossing the fence and so had to be eliminated). It does not neccesarily mean it was caged in, as the next fence might have been 10 km away. How high is the fence? A lion makes short work of a standard 6 - 9 foot game fence, even if he is carrying a 200 kg carcass.

Most lions are shot off baits in Africa, as the average hunt is too short to allow for days and days of tracking lions in the hope of finding an suitable animal.

All in all this does sound to me like a canned hunt. Just too many people to be a wild lion, and the whole oparation sounds like a fiasco.

N.b. what is sick is that there are people who buy these canned hunts - you cannot blame the supplier, as he is merely catering to a percieved demand. Lions in captivity breed like rabbits, and those excess to needs have to be got rid of. Canned hunting is one way of doing this, while generating good returns. As I said, I find the concept repulsive and cannot believe anyone would be interested in buying such a "hunt". What is even worse, is that the shot, even under such controlled conditions, can be bungled to the extent that has been described by you guys.

This kind of thing is what ends up giving the bleeding heart antis ammunition for their campaigns, and must be done away with.

Hi guys
Also cannot get the link to work, but here are some thoughts from this side of the water.

The fact that there appears to be a crowd around suggests a "canned hunt". Lions are notoriously difficult to hunt, and the avearge "party" would be limited to 3 or four (PH, client, trackers).Hunt lions by walk and stalk is notoriously difficult, and can involve days of footslogging. The answer may be that this is a fairly small game ranch, where the position of a lion can be reasonably well predicted, even so I doubt that a group as large as the one spoken of would be taken, unless the lion was well accustomed to the presence of people.


Even if this was an unusual hunt with a crowd, any decent PH would have definitely have got rid of any excess people for the follow up once a lion was wounded, as too many people means too many potential recipients of stray rounds. Some PHs will not even allow the client to participate in a follow up.

The presence of a game fence is just a reality here in Africa, and is a way of protecting your investment in the game you have stocked onto your farm, as well as protecting yourself from litigation when your lions go off and slaughter next doors prize bulls or cows. What I am trying to say here is that it is possible that the lion hunt took place in the vicinity of a game fence (the animal could even have been a problem one which kept crossing the fence and so had to be eliminated). It does not neccesarily mean it was caged in, as the next fence might have been 10 km away. How high is the fence? A lion makes short work of a standard 6 - 9 foot game fence, even if he is carrying a 200 kg carcass.

Most lions are shot off baits in Africa, as the average hunt is too short to allow for days and days of tracking lions in the hope of finding an suitable animal.

All in all this does sound to me like a canned hunt. Just too many people to be a wild lion, and the whole oparation sounds like a fiasco.

N.b. what is sick is that there are people who buy these canned hunts - you cannot blame the supplier, as he is merely catering to a percieved demand. Lions in captivity breed like rabbits, and those excess to needs have to be got rid of. Canned hunting is one way of doing this, while generating good returns. As I said, I find the concept repulsive and cannot believe anyone would be interested in buying such a "hunt". What is even worse, is that the shot, even under such controlled conditions, can be bungled to the extent that has been described by you guys.

This kind of thing is what ends up giving the bleeding heart antis ammunition for their campaigns, and must be done away with.

I really wish this video would just go away. I've seen it posted and taken off 2 differant forums already. It absolutely makes me sick because every nonhunter, kid that sees this video, sees the Lion King being murdered by a bunch of blood thirsty idiots.

Wheres the video?

Yep, dead link.

Try this link:

http://www.contumacy.org/lion-hunt-video.htm

GOOD LUCK! ;)

After seeing this, I wish the lion would've won. This isn't hunting, it's a disgrace. :mad:

Bill, that's sorta' my first impression too. I must have watched this video a dozen times - counted shots - scanned around the picture to watch individuals during the shootout, etc. Did you see the guy over in the background with the woman? He fired at the lion after it ran past the PH? The guy went flying backwards like he'd been shot! I watched him several times, and it was actually him shooting some sorta' HUGE rifle with tons of recoil that sent him flying. He looked like he was standing straight upright or even leaning back a little when he fired, and he couldn't keep his feet under him.

When the lion ran past the "Client", it looked to me like he coulda' taken the guy's head off if he'd wanted, but was distracted at the last second by the PH. Myabe not - but everyone was extremely lucky to come out alive.

This is a good reason to always listen to the real pros when it comes to choosing weapons for dangerous game, and making sure you know how to use it when the time comes.

Good articles on this link:

http://www.african-hunter.com/the_firearm_files.htm

GOOD LUCK! ;)