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Gunther
03-27-2005, 07:00 PM
Howdy, I am just doing a little research on guns, and have compaired a number of different guns, and I have two questions: does the brand of gun have any impact on the joules{power} of the projectile, and does anyone have a list of the different gun companies? I want to compair different gun and bullet types, but I want to see ALL the options. So far I have found that I like the hydro-schock point bullets the best {any thoughts?}. Anyways I will wrap this up here. thx
44SandW
03-27-2005, 08:17 PM
the brand of gun will have to do with how fast the bullet flys only by how long the barrel is, it can also effect how hot you can load it.
dclark1
03-29-2005, 02:24 AM
Gunther,
There is a 1911 forum that has all of the current manufacturers of the pistol listed, and they discuss the others. Very knowledgeable group, and polite.
whirlibird
04-05-2005, 11:40 PM
Howdy, I am just doing a little research on guns, and have compaired a number of different guns, and I have two questions: does the brand of gun have any impact on the joules{power} of the projectile, and does anyone have a list of the different gun companies? I want to compair different gun and bullet types, but I want to see ALL the options. So far I have found that I like the hydro-schock point bullets the best {any thoughts?}. Anyways I will wrap this up here. thx
Technically brand or makers name has no effect on impact or terminal details. A bullet has no idea of what brand is stamped on the outside of the weapon. Look at the Uberti manufactured weapons that have other names on them like Navy Arms, etc. Mauser imported FEG (Hungarian) manufactured ACK model pistols aka GKK and put their name and banner on them for resale. Or the Springfield XD's which are of Croatian design and manufacture.
What actually has effect is bore condition, bore length, barrel/cylinder gap on revolvers, etc. Basically if it effects projectile velocity it can and will effect the impact energy.
Mass and velocity are the only variables that effect impact energy, everything else only effects velocity or mass.
Terminal effect is another matter, that is dependant on velocity, bullet construction/design and the makeup of the target. Jacketed round nose bullets have little shocking power but great penetration, whereas the pre-fragmented or frangible bullets have great expansion and shocking power combined with generally shallow penetration. This is where the factory engineers try and make a new mousetrap and come up with a new design every few years.
Look at the Hydra-Shok and Starfire bullets, both are controlled expansion bullets, both are designed to use hydraulic pressure to expand the bullet, however they use different methods to do the same thing and both were designed by the same man Tom Buczecki (sp.).
It is reported that some styles of rifling make the weapon shoot "harder" such as polygonal rifling but what is really happening is that the bore makes a more complete seal around jacketed bullets, but the same time the rifling is actually dangerous when used with lead bullets as the lead will actually build up in the barrel and create a pressure spike that can destroy the weapon.
ALL the options? Thats a hard list to make, there are simple lists like shotgun, rifle and handgun. Then there's the lists of different types of rifles, single barrel, double barrel etc. And then theres the sub-variants like double barreled bolt action, and yes they do exist.
That's a tall order and about the time you might finish someone will add a new type to mess with your list. But good luck anyway.
And ammunition variables, here we go again, in Hydra-Shok alone there are 3 versions of .45 ACP H-S in the 230 gr weight alone since they came out.
If there is different data that you are after or a more refined list that you are after post it and someone here may have an idea of where to find the information.
Good Shooting
marineman
04-08-2005, 04:50 PM
taurus, colt, ruger, eaa, dan wesson, smith and wesson, kel-tek, HK, browning, FN, sigarms, beretta, springfield armory, rock river arms, magnum research, bersa, charles daily, llama, phoenix arms, north american arms, para-ordinance, glock, kahr, daewoo, caspian arms, walther, CZ- those are most of the ones i could think of, there are alot of different gun makers out there who make a good handgun, these are a few of them that you might want to look over when looking at handguns, just depends on what you want......
faucettb
04-08-2005, 09:45 PM
The brand of gun or lets say the type can make a difference in accuracy. Usually gun makers offer both service and target pistols and revolvers. Service pistols are designed to be fairly accurate and work all the time under adverse conditions. Target weapons are designed around putting all the bullets in the same place.
This concept leads service pistols to have fitting tolerances that will allow the weapon to function dipped in mud, water and other substances that would cause a target weapon to jam or stop functioning.
As to differences in power that really is determined by barrel length as 44SandW said, though barrel design can also inter into the problem. I understand polygon rifling can deliver a little more velocity than a standard rifled barrel, though a twenty to fifty fps difference probably would not make any difference to a soft target.
The hydra-shok bullets are probably a good choice.
If your looking for statistics the .357 revolver with 125 grain hollow points is the top dog for one shot stops.
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