Gentlemen:

Check this out!

http://www.policeone.com/police-products/firearms/accessories/ammunition/press-releases/90639/



Ralph

Strikes fear into me....if only coded ammo is allowed, then home cast or swaged bullets are going to be uncoded...substituting uncoded bulelts in ammo could become as illegal as filing the serial numbers off your gun.

I agree with ribbonstone -- And the only way for this to work would mean everyone where this is required would have to register ammunition. This is not good.

California?

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I would like to see how well this code stands up using cast lead bullets and handloads, using just the bullet, case, primer, and powder...

Can it still be identified when it is chipped out of a compensator?

From what I understand of it, yes there will be enough left on the base of the bullet to identify it....and that brings up some other issues...for it to work (1) no lead bullets as they won't accept the tag (2) no open based jacketed bullets...and prabably no home-made unnumbered bullets.

KInd of like the taggets issue with powder...they've been playing with the idea of putting unburning little bar coded plastic bits in powder for years (as they do to industrial explosives)....come to think of it, has anyone looked through pulled ammo to see if anyone's powder is tagged?

PArnoid...but I've got some Brit. made ammo (figure they may be the ones to do this without mentioning it) from the 1990's, and I think I'll tear up one to see what may be lurking in the powder.

Just a another form of gun control. It will be a thorn in the side of bullet/ammo manufacturers, honest citizens will have to pay for it and the dishonest can easily circumvent it!

Bad, Bad, Bad!

Just a another form of gun control. It will be a thorn in the side of bullet/ammo manufacturers, honest citizens will have to pay for it and the dishonest can easily circumvent it!

Bad, Bad, Bad!

Goint to be pretty hard to mark a 3 1/2" 12ga. load of #2's.

Goint to be pretty hard to mark a 3 1/2" 12ga. load of #2's.
The fact that anything is not logistically feasible does not mean that lawmakers won't pass a law to require it.

So casting your own for handloading will become illegal just so they can track every bullet made.
Bullets bought for handloading will be tagged and if they don't grandfather in supplies already out there, your current stock on the reloading bench will be illegal.
Failure to provide your Identification Card will be in violation as well.

Who wants to bet that Wal-Mart will be on board with this in a heartbeat? They already track everything that goes on in their stores by computer. This is just one more piece of information that would be added when they access the file of barcodes sold that day. Your name, address, phone number, the ammo you bought and how you paid for it all socked away in a file somewhere available to anyone who can pay for or subpoena it.

This is a bad idea.

Besides, a stolen gun goes right along with stolen ammo. And if the gun was yours and the ammo was yours, who is to say that you did not pull the trigger? Anyone out there able to afford someone like Johnny Cochrane? I mean a REALLY GOOD lawyer. I'm not saying that there are corrupt police out there or that the justice system doesn't work, but sometimes human beings make mistakes. Ever know even one person who was infallible?

I try not to be paranoid. But I also try to go into things informed.

Great. Throw another log on the Anti's Fire.Of course the criminals will circumvent it. Again, squeezing the good guys.

Don't like it one bit.

Charles

Goint to be pretty hard to mark a 3 1/2" 12ga. load of #2's.

LOL - Yeah that would be pretty hard!

But think, if they did, how much more a box of dove loads would cost compared to your load of #2s!

It’s already illegal to remove serial numbers from firearms, but criminals do it. Putting serial numbers on bullets will turn criminals into hand loaders. They’ll just pull the bullets, grind off the base, and reassemble.

Darrel

How hard would it be to pull some bullets out of the backstop and do the frame job?????? Might not be moa accurate but could be reloaded to minute of room accurate with ball acp rounds or a lot of hard cast. So I suppose the next thing will be to carry the bullet trap to the range and turn in the spent lead. :confused:

This one needs a very careful and watchful eye! This is nothing other than totalitarian control at its core!

Keep a watchful eye.

God bless,

Hmm...How about if I just use one of those electric scriber things to inscribe a name on the bullet before I shoot it....simple fix....... Leeegal again,i feere.

The cost is described as "insignificant" as in $300,00 to $500,000 just for the basic equipment. Sure, that's not much for the big shops like Federal, Remington and Winchester. But, I bet it's cost prohibitive for the small ammo makers. This is a great example of how government regulations can place impediments on small business. I bet the big name ammo makers will be all for it since, applied nationwide, this would put most small ammo manufacturers out of business or at best place them at a significant competitive disadvantage.

I can see how it would occassionally be useful in solving some crimes. But, come on, a government regulation for retailers to track and submit ID's on all ammo purchases?! That's even more bueraucratic red-tape for businesses.

I don't believe for a minute that most criminals will become handloaders. Those idiots aren't smart enough to read a newspaper much less figure out how to make a cartridge. But I gotta figure most thugs, creeps, and gangsters that expect to use their gun in the commission of a crime don't go to the local MegaMart to get their ammo - much less show their ID if they did. They'll probably just have their 20 year old crack-head girlfriend pick up the ammo while they are buying the gun for them.

This whole idea sounds great...until you stop to think about it; which means it'll probably pass with overwhelming support.

Oh, another thing. An ammo maker would be faced with the choice of putting the ID's on their bullets or not selling ammo in CA. I bet the small mfgs. will just not sell in CA - that's bad for California shooters but good for the anti-gun weenies.

On the other hand, the big mfgs. that will still sell in CA might not want to have two kinds of ammo - one kind with IDs for sale in CA and one kind unmarked for sale elsewhere. So, the law, if passed in CA, could have repercussions for the rest of the country. I can also see Wisconsin and Illinois thinking, "well, the ammo makers are already tooled up to do it for CA so it won't take anything extra for them to do the same thing here, too"