I bought a HI-Point 9mm carbine the other day and i must say i am incredibly impressed. i have heard good things about them in the past and so i hade decent expectations about the quality. the gun was listed for under $200.

i took it out to the range and HOLY CRAP!! this thing is awsome. the accuracy is out standing with nearly all ammo (i took 5 differnt brands) shooting at a 25 yard target at 25 yards 5 out of 10 rounds hit bullseye with the rest within 3 inches. this was consistant with all 5 brands.



you know this got me to thinking
and i am gonna need your help on this one guys
but what are some more BARGIN GUNS that are out there that are good quality

gp, check out the "weatherby...help?" thread in the rfle forum

Actually I've found several great bargians in used guns in both gun stores and pawn shops. I'm kind of a remington fan so over the last year have obtained a couple of nice ones that way. You do need to be able to recognize the clunkers from the clinkers.

A few years ago my son was looking for a target pistol and found a Ruger MK II at a gun shop used. It was a 6 7/8 heavy barrel with an aimpoint 5000 dot sight on it and came with a nice plastic case.

The fella at the gun shop wanted $375.00 for it. When I noticed it had a trigger with a trigger stop screw in it I urged my son to buy it.

When he got it home I took the case apart and the reciept from Clark was in the bottom of the case. It had been completly built by Clark and had Clarks trigger and hammer and internals. The total for the gun, parts and work from Clark and the aimpoint were a few dollars under a thousand.

This gun looks like new and the dealer I bought it from said an old fella brought it in and told him his eyesight had gone and he couldn't compete with it anymore. He had bought it with the aimpoint in the hopes he could and it just didn't work out. He had never noticed the reciept under the foam in the box.

Once in a while you can get burned this way. I bought a used Ruger 77-22 blue with the plastic stock for a good price once that would not shoot better than 3 inch groups at 25 yards. The barrel looked good, but it was a clunker. It ended up as trading material, which by the way is good to have around too.

Sometimes good things happen if you keep an eye out.

We bought an older home in Rapid City 12 years ago to fix-up and resell. The historic district commonly known as West Blvd. When tearing out a plaster wall in the bathroom, I found a 36 caliber revolver with Colt markings. Turned out to be an 1860 cap and ball revolver commonly carried by officers during the Civil War.

Traded that revolver to First Stop for a new prairie dog rifle outfit. I'm thinking I got the better deal but there is a collector out there somewhere who is happy, too.
TR

' HE WHO BUYS CHEAP GUN-HAS MONEY LEFT FORACCESSORYS' southeast missouri proverb#3 i have a high point 9mm carbine it is more reliable that my A>R> no jams excellent accuracey and compact ,now if i could teach it to drive my truck ?and fetch birds.

Lots of people confuse "cheap" guns with "bargain" guns. High Point carbines, Makarov pistols, and Swiss K-31s come to mind as "bargain" guns. Incredibly inexpensive for what you get, but not "cheap" in any sense.

I had in my hands one of those 9mm carbines you are talking about ! I could have had it for nothing as the guy who owned it banged it over the head of the other guy who owned it first and bent the barrel ! Bar fight ! Get an M1 Carbine and stop fooling with pistol rounds in a short rifle ! They ain't no bargian ! What good is a pistol round shooting rifle that shoots groups larger then a pistol at 25yds ? JAGG

I had in my hands one of those 9mm carbines you are talking about ! I could have had it for nothing as the guy who owned it banged it over the head of the other guy who owned it first and bent the barrel ! Bar fight ! Get an M1 Carbine and stop fooling with pistol rounds in a short rifle ! They ain't no bargian ! What good is a pistol round shooting rifle that shoots groups larger then a pistol at 25yds ? JAGG


JAgg:
Have had 9mm carbines that would group an honest 1" at 50yards...if your pistols are doing better than that, then the olympic team has a place for you.

.308" 110gr. at 1950fps vs 124gr. .355" at 1450fps....not all that much differnce, one with more paper energy, the other with a larger diameter bullet...push bet.

i thought we were talking bargin guns, last time i checked i dont belive there was a bargin on a .30carbine to be found in fact i havent see very many for sale at all latley if you know where some are at for the price of the hi-point 9mm carbines i sure would like to buy one .now that would be a bargin

lol the m-1 carbine isnt really any better than the hi-point.
that puny .30 carbine round just is way to under powerd.
(there is a reason the millitary droped it from its arsonal)

but acctually guys i was talking about NEW bargin guns.
i know that you can find many used guns for a heck of a deal and i have kicked my self many times for things that i had to pass up.
but i was just wanting to know about companies like Hi-point.


day 2 with hi-point 9mm carbine: he is not joking i was shooting 1",2" groupings at 25 yards. (note 10 rounds shot each time)

Don't get me wrong, I actually like th3e .30carbine and wouldn't feeel underdunned with one as a home defence weapon (given good expanding bullets)...but there just isn't that much difference in the effects on the things and critters I've shot with both.

I'd prefer a .30 carbine (real one...not one of the Universals) for it's fun and histroy...if you know of any .30carbines selling for the price of the Hi-Point, post the address.
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Do think the Hi-Point carbine is a very good deal...they tend to work and are reasonably accurate and easy to manage in close spaces. They are NOT user friendly when it comes to take dowb\n.

I would say that savages fall pretty well into the bargain category

Ok, so we have established that the Hi-point carbines are quality, but what aboout their handguns?

the nef handi rifles are a quility bargin rifle

Can't disagree with you on that

Two bargain guns come to mind real quick: 1.) Makarov - all milled steel, generally very accurate, reliable, fun, and fairly cheap to shoot; and 2.) SKS - as long as you accept it for what it is (butt ugly), and not try to turn it into something it isn't with a lot of aftermarket parts that don't work - I think everybody should have one.

I'll add to this growing list of gun bargains.

First would be the little Czech milsurp .22 bolt action rifles.....pick them up for under $75, and they're tack drivers!

Second on the milsurp market right now would have to be the Nagant Rifles, in most any of their configurations..... great rifles for the money, dirt cheap to shoot, rugged, ugly, and great truck guns.... hey, ugly should count for something!

In new guns, I'd have to say that the Rossi single-shot combination sets are a real bargain.... rimfire or centerfire rifle barrel of choice and shotgun barrel of choice both fit on a trim, well designed, strong relatively light-weight (when compared to the NEF) action, all for about $165 in our area..... not a bad way to start out.... or even make it a soft-cased set to go behind the seat of the truck. Shoot superbly as well! Come in both adult and youth configurations.

Rossi Matched Pair Combination Guns (http://www.rossiusa.com/products/gunselector-results.cfm?series=MFC)

These are the ones that come to mind right away as being bargains in our current time.


God bless,

[QUOTE=Marshall Stanton]I'll add to this growing list of gun bargains.

First would be the little Czech milsurp .22 bolt action rifles.....pick them up for under $75, and they're tack drivers!


Marshall, your PM box is full! :)

Where can one find the Czech .22s?

Thanks

jonas

Jonas,

I've seen them recently at Big 5 Sporting Goods stores, I've also seen them in Oregon and Washington recently at GI Joe's stores, the surplus suppliers Century Arms Interantional, and Southern Ohio Guns also carry them. Both of the wholesalers are on the web, but won't post prices unless you have an FFL and a user name/password, but you can look at their inventory online.

Hope this helps.

God bless,

Jonas,

I've seen them recently at Big 5 Sporting Goods stores, I've also seen them in Oregon and Washington recently at GI Joe's stores, the surplus suppliers Century Arms Interantional, and Southern Ohio Guns also carry them. Both of the wholesalers are on the web, but won't post prices unless you have an FFL and a user name/password, but you can look at their inventory online.

Hope this helps.

God bless,


Thanks Marshall. Century Arms (Co-located here in VT) might be my best choice. I checked out what they're offering...only Romanian rifles from 1969! But who knows, maybe they have more. I'll keep poking around.

Thanks again.

jonas

Jonas, those Romanian .22s are tack-driving terrors. Grab one if you get a chance. They are a true bargain. Used to be you could pick them up for $50-$60, prices have gone up, but anything under a hundred is probably good.

Mosins are amazing for the price and punch, gotta agree with that. Made a truck gun out of a $50 M44.

Lots of old mausers floating around. They're good and 8mm ball is cheap. Turks, Czech, Yugo, and whatnot.

Jonas, those Romanian .22s are tack-driving terrors. Grab one if you get a chance. They are a true bargain. Used to be you could pick them up for $50-$60, prices have gone up, but anything under a hundred is probably good.

Mosins are amazing for the price and punch, gotta agree with that. Made a truck gun out of a $50 M44.

Lots of old mausers floating around. They're good and 8mm ball is cheap. Turks, Czech, Yugo, and whatnot.


Hey Mike:

Century isn't listing a price for those Romanians...maybe I'll have to call. Then see if my fav gun shop can get one from them.

Good looking guns too.

http://www.centuryarms.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=667

cheers

jonas

The Ruger 10/22 is a bargain in my book. Everyone should have at least one.

10/22"s arent a gun, thery're an addiction! The 10/22 is a good gun, but I don't know that I would call it a "bargain gun" the first thing most people do is dump the barrel and stock, go with a .920 barrel and any number of aftermarket stock, then you have to dig into the trigger and out come the factory mag release, factory bolt release and sear and disconnector, sometimes even the trigger, and usually the factory springs. So by the time your done, you have as much or more than the price of the gun in aftermarket parts

Check out my post regarding my bargain rifle....Marlin 795 22LR with scope $129.00

http://shootersforum.com/showthread.htm?t=21871

Well, just got back from my local gun shop...happened to be in the neighborhood at lunch. They can definitly get the Romanian .22s for about $60...however, I would pay +/- $110 after shipping, paperwork, markup, etc.

Still not too bad.

jonas

Century doesn't post prices, but that $60 dealer cost sounds about right.

Might have gotten lucky, but I fixed the trigger on my 10/22 myself, bedded it, and it shoots pretty good!

Well, just got back from my local gun shop...happened to be in the neighborhood at lunch. They can definitly get the Romanian .22s for about $60...however, I would pay +/- $110 after shipping, paperwork, markup, etc.

Still not too bad.

jonas

The last I saw on the dealer part of Century's website showed that they had those Romanian/Czech .22's which had "slightly cracked" stocks, and if you purchased five of them the cost was something around $200.... I even think they paid the freight on five or more long guns, but I don't remember for sure.

Anyhow, a friend ordered five of them on that offer, and while the "slightly cracked" stock on two of them was obvious (but easily repairable), three of the guns looked absolutely arsenal-new, we couldn't find anything wrong with the wood.... pretty heavily coated in typical Soviet-Bloc cosmoline/grease, so I don't know how they could have possibly seen whether the stock was cracked or not! This batch was quite the bargain!

Get a buddy or two to go in on a batch of these, and you'll each have a great gun and a couple to sell and get your money back once you clean them up!

God bless,

Some of the Roumanian .22s have extractor problems. I had two of them to pick from at a dealer. I chose, of course, the one with the best wood and metal. Extractor didn't work with most varities of .22s. Took some trial and error reworking of the extractor to get it functioning. Not sure I can call those a bargain at this point!

There are some outstanding bargains in the surplus military market. The one that comes to mind is the CZ 52. It shoots a bottle nose bullet (7.62 x 25) at 1647 fps and delivers 511 foot/pounds of energy at the muzzle.

Think of it as a poor man's FN Five-seveN! Oh, they can be had for around $100-$130 with magazines, holster and cleaning rod! Now that's a bargain! :p

Our local Dunhams stores carry all kinds of "cheap" Military surplus rifles. I have a czech and a romanian 22 I bought there and both shoot very good. The romanian did have an extractor problem. I took it out and cleaned it really well and filed the end flat, It had a "hook" on the nose. It works fine now. Those mosin Nagants are well worth the money. Yep they are ugly. But remeber guns are like people in this respect. Ugly is only skin deep, It is what is inside that counts, Yooper rule No.81. God Bless Steve