I recently bought a FEG PA63 in 9MM Makarov. I bought three brands of ammo to try. 1 box of Silver Bear HP which got 3 fired out of the Box before the dealer let me trade it back to him for another box of Wolf. The bullets jammed in the magaine.
I also bought Wolf, 109gr, and Hornady XTP, 95 grain. The Silver bear was horrible. The first box of wolf fired with only a few jams, and the Hornady fired flawlesly. The second box of Wolf though is giving me fits. 9 out of the fifty rounds were to small for the chamber. the round went so far into the chamber the firing pin did not hit it, and all I had to do to get it out was drop the magazine and turn the gun on end. It just fell out. This could be bad news, could it not?10 of the others jammed badly. I know it is not the gun, but the ammo, since I have fired already 50 rounds of Hornady through it to test it out.

What would cause this other than manufacturers error.?

Has anybody else had any problems like this from them?

Am looking for another brand of "Plinking" ammo. are Sellier and Bellot good, or should I spend the extra money on American Eagle?

Thanks,

Charles.

P.S. I do not handload.

I have a Russian Makarov (Baikal IJ-70), and it shoots Wolf and Silver Bear just fine. Everything I have ever fed it has worked great. I have not tried S&B, but I have tried American Eagle. So far, it has been the most accurate ammo in my Makarov. You might try going to Makarov.com and ordering a new barrel.
Good luck.

rt

I have fired exactly 50 rounds of Wolf 9mm through a Ruger, and had exactly 0 feeding problems with it. I haven't gotten around to using any in my Glock, but I'm sure I will.

Have fired many many rounds of 7.62x39 in my SKS, but have read other threads of guys very unhappy with it, so you're not alone. Search the threads for Wolf references on this and other shooting boards...

I once bought a box of S&B in .45 ACP and ALL the rounds in that box, and those on the dealer's shelves, were about .08" too long on the case. Needless to say the pistol would not close on those rounds. I've used other S&B calibers, particularly .22 LR and 30-06, with no problems.

I can only relate what a friend experienced as I haven't used Wolf ammo before. He has a 223 that normally shoots 1/2" to 3/4" 3-shot groups at 100 yds. He tried the Wolf 223 ammo (don't know what grain bullet), but he couldn't get it to shoot 4" groups! I'm glad I reload.....

Wolf ammo shoots about as well as your run of the mill GI surplus ammo...sometimes a bit better, usually a bit worse. For most people who just burn up rounds in rapid fire from the hip (wich seems tob e most of the people with AKs and SKS's), they can't tell the differnce.

HAve had problems with Wolf 9mm. OUt of five guns tried, three refused to reliably work....guns that reliably work with brass cased ammo just gag on the Wolf steel. IF there is a pattern to this, it's that the short pocket 9mm's are more likely to gag than the full length semi-autos. IF I had to guess, would place the blame on a differnce in how the steel cases contract after firing and the effect that has on extraction.

HAve found occasional rounds with dimentional problems...not too long, but with poorly formed extractor grooves/rims...kind of rounded...as if they were never fully formed. Sorting them out visually helps, but still get the occasional failur to eject evne from good looking rounds.

Our cans for defective ammo at the range contain almost 90% steel cased, cheap ammo from the eastern bloc countries. 90% of the remainder are dud reloads. Extremely few US mfg'd commercial ammo ends up in the reject cans.

My AK type rifle in 5.56x45 will run all day long on it but most AR's I've seen will choke on it. I wouldn't put it in my AR. Accuracy is poor in the .223, but who knows if it's the ammo or the AK..not exactly accurate rifles in general. I think it probably works best in the guns made in the countries the ammo comes from..AK's SKS's and the like. When I can buy Winchester white box or Remington yellow box(9mm) for $5-6/box while on sale I can't imagine ever using the stuff to start with. I've never had the 5.56 or 7.62x39 rounds fail to fire, but I don't think it's good for any serious shooting. Thier .22 ammo is good stuff in the guns I've used it in.

i'm getting better than 2" groups out of my sks with it... Its dirty, but its cheap... Makes the Prairie dogs do flips, so it can't be all that bad... But every firearm is different. rather than complain about something, find a better product and talk it up.. Life is to short to spend it complaining about something as trivial as cheap ammo...

About the only type of Wolf I would buy would be the 7.62x39mm for my AK's, but they would run with anything. It's dirty and smells funny, but it doesn't matter with an AK.

The only other types of Wolf I've tried have been 5.56mm and .45 ACP. My Colt Match Targets couldn't digest more than 2 or 3 rounds without a jam or failure to feed. My 1911's which are normally very reliable wouldn't shoot it either.

Back in the mid to late 1990's, I used to buy case lots of Sellier & Bellot in 7.62x39mm, 5.56mm, .45 ACP, 9mm, and 9mm Makarov. All of it back then ran fine in all of my guns, but I haven't bought any recently, so I couldn't comment on the current crop being offered.

I'm using Wolf new 7.62X54R and it is better than the cheap surplus stuff. Mostly cleaner. Accuracy is just slightly better. But it works fine in my Mosin-Nagant.

I've fired several hundred Wolf rounds through an SKS with nary a misfire. Accurasy varies as barrel heats up, typical for most centerfire rifles. Best groups were about 4.5 inches with the full jacketed partial hollow tip. Worst groups (hot) were about 6 inches at 100 yards.

Same rifle groups tighter with soft tip ammo by Winchester Super X. Three inches at 100 yards is fairly predictable. Not bad for a commie carbine mass produced by collective labor.

Yes, 7.62mm X 39 Winchester soft tip ammo will kill a mule deer. Just try to keep your distance reasonable and shoot straight.
TR

Have had good luck with Wolf in AK's with 7.62x39. Has anyone tried the 308 ammo?

The old green laquer Wolf .40 tied up two of my Glocks about three times (out of about four boxes); we needed a mallet to open the slide on one. I haven't used any since then, but understand the new design stuff has a grey coating that is better.......

I had a box for my Beretta 96 .40 S&W, they all functioned, but were horribly inaccurate. I've found that most 180 grain stuff doesn't shoot very well through my pistol, I decided to stick to my handloads, which are much more economical and accurate.

I have some Wolf .223 that does good at 50 yds but scatters really bad at 100 yds. I have some of the Sellier&Bellot that I use in a CZ 52 and it works very good. No jams or miss fires with either brand.

I have shot thousands of rounds of .22 Match Extra without any problems. Shoots as good or better than ammo costing twice as much. Have had two fliers where the ammo sounded different, but this can happen with any ammo that is not weighted or rim gaged before use.
I have also shot a lot of .223 it is not the most accurate stuff out there, but for the price it is good practice ammo. Have never had a jam in the semi,s using it.

I have a Polish P-64, 9mm Mak and it digests the Barnaul ammo better than the Wolf stuff, but then again, I only had three FTF with the Wolf out of 100 rnds. No trouble feeding or ejecting the Barnaul stuff, but the very first round I fired failed to penetrate the triple layer cardboard target. It hit and stuck without passing through. Probably give someone a nasty welt with one of those...

Wolf ammo showed up in NZ about 2 years ago and no real problems that I know of have turned up.

But my personal experience with it was with 45 acp,shooting it out of an Uberti cattleman with the acp cylinder.It was quite accurate but about 50% of the cases split and the gun shoots brass cases fine.

As for S&B,it a good cheapish ammo here and it covered the european calibres which there was not a lot of ammo available in NZ without paying a high price.The 22Hornet ammo (45grn sp) was as accurate as the Remington ammo I was using.The only hiccup I found was that you had to clean the barrel within a couple of days or else corrosion would start about 6" from the throat .The other thing that cropped up with the Hornet cases was that if you were reloading,the flash hole was smaller than standard.

Footnote:My Bruno Hornet loved the Hornady .218 Bee 45 grain projectiles....anatomy lessons on bunnies anyone? :D

One of my jobs requires that we buy large quanities of ammunition for personel coming in from out of state, that can't bring or ship their own ammunition for one of many reasons. I have seen countless issues with numerous batches of WOLF-Ammo. So many, that we no-longer buy, or use the ammo for any reason whatsoever in any of our duty or personal weapons.