Ok.... Im a few days away from gettin MY 452 (i already threw the money down) but i need my ID to arrive because my previous one is expired and non-residence. The american 452 has a 9mm wide dovetail groove and I need help finding a scope for it. Im planning on doing small games and range shootin with the 452 so any high quality scope suggestions for these reasons would be greatly appreciated since i know nothin bout scopes. Any links for me plz? And what's a decent brand you would recommend...? Thanks all.

Ok.... Im a few days away from gettin MY 452 (i already threw the money down) but i need my ID to arrive because my previous one is expired and non-residence. The american 452 has a 9mm wide dovetail groove and I need help finding a scope for it. Im planning on doing small games and range shootin with the 452 so any high quality scope suggestions for these reasons would be greatly appreciated since i know nothin bout scopes. Any links for me plz? And what's a decent brand you would recommend...? Thanks all.

Well I'll tell you whats on mine first. I have a 2.5 to 10 Weaver Classic. Works good for what I use it for.

I bought a bunch of Cabala's 2 to 7 variable shotgun/black powder scopes for 22's and christmas presents a couple of years ago. These are the pine ridge models and are $70.00.

they are bright and clear and have power rings that turn easily. The best thing about them for 22 usage is they have a hyperfocal distance of 50 yards which is great for the 22 long rifle. They were designed for high recoiling shotguns and black powder rifles so are tougher than nails and should last more than a lifetime on a 22 and they have a reasonable price.

If you are looking for mounts, I suggest the one inch rings at Wally world, their designed for 22 dovetail mounting and are usually under 7 bucks. Mine have worked fine and been on the gun almost two years now. Their made by Tasco or Simmons

I also suggest you get one of Eric Brooks trigger kits for your 452. They cost about 14 bucks shipped and are extremly east to install as your just replacing a spring and putting a shim over one of the trigger pins. Here is the link to Erick's sight.

http://cz452.com/

He has a lot of 452 goodies and a good selection of articles on shooting and modifying the 452.

I've found that this 22 is one of the best guns I've ever owned for the money. It is accurate, good looking and pleasing to handle and shoot.

If your looking for extra clips check out Whittiker guns they have them for a good price. Here is their web site address.

http://www.whittakerguns.com/

Anyway I don't think you'll regret ever buying this nice 22. the only 22 I've had that would outshoot the CZ was a very expensive Winchester model 52 target rifle.

What's Min/Max Pull (ibs) I think someone already explained it to me but I didnt quite FULLY understand it? What is a shim? Thanks for the link though! Oh yeah, my initial plan was to grab a 452 FS or Ultra Lux but luck brought me to the American. It's not like im just gonna get one 452 heh ^_^ I think I'll definitely look into the springs kit because lighter trigger pull always make the difference.... Even in the world of paintballing.

What's Min/Max Pull (ibs) I think someone already explained it to me but I didnt quite FULLY understand it? What is a shim? Thanks for the link though! Oh yeah, my initial plan was to grab a 452 FS or Ultra Lux but luck brought me to the American. It's not like im just gonna get one 452 heh ^_^ I think I'll definitely look into the springs kit because lighter trigger pull always make the difference.... Even in the world of paintballing.

The pull weight on a stock 452 is adjustable from around 3.5 pounds to about six pounds.

With the kit that Erick Brooks makes you get several different springs and small brass tube that goes over one of the trigger pins. This brass tube is the shim. If you look up Erick's site you can download the the instructions to install this kit. This gives you an insite to how these kits work and you will need the instructions anyway as they didn't come with my kit.

The set of springs allow trigger pull adjustments from about two ounces to around 3 pounds. Mine is setup to break around 1.8 pounds and is as crisp as ice with no overtravel.

The small round brass tube goes over one of the trigger pins, per the directions and gives you zero overtravel (movement of the trigger after the sear breaks).

When you put this kit in it gives this already fine weapon a fantastic trigger pull.

The American model is an excellent rifle and I know a lot of varmit hunters taking ground squirrels out to 75 and even a hundred yards with a scoped rifle.

I bought the lux a a local sporting goods store and after shooting it fell in love with it. All the CZ 452's will take a five shot or ten shot clip and for those younger shooters just starting out you can even get a single shot adapter.

If you look at the fine rimfire central forums under the CZ section you will find a bunch of information on shooting and using these fine bolt 22 rifles. Here is the site address.

http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/

Thanks Faucettb...always helpful ^^

To answer you question about the scope mount, you are probably best of buying them from CZ. My 452 has the odd groove size that will not fit the standard 3/8 inch US size mounts. I have heard that CZ has changed the size on their latest rifles but cant confirm this. Some if the other makers of mounts are making the right size and I think if you look around you will find them.

To answer you question about the scope mount, you are probably best of buying them from CZ. My 452 has the odd groove size that will not fit the standard 3/8 inch US size mounts. I have heard that CZ has changed the size on their latest rifles but cant confirm this. Some if the other makers of mounts are making the right size and I think if you look around you will find them.

Many of the CZ's use the euro 11 mm grove, the American versions use the US 3/8 size groove. The Rings Walmart sell fit both well and are a bargain. CZ mounts are to say the least on the pricy side.

Sameway with magazines. Can't figure out why folks other than CZ can sell thier clips cheaper than CZ can, but Whittikers does.

If you want to use Weaver bases and rings Erick Brooks has made up a set of bases to go on the CZ also.

Uhmmm... What are weaver Bases? Another type of way to mount a scope or is it the only way? Also, what are rings for?

Uhmmm... What are weaver Bases? Another type of way to mount a scope or is it the only way? Also, what are rings for?

Scopes need a set of rings attached to them so you can attach the scope to the rifle.

There are several ways scopes are mounted on recievers. 22 lr's usually used a set of rings that are mounted directly on the reciever of 22 rifles on a set of 3/8 inch, in the USA or 11 mm, overseas, groves that are machined on the reciever of the rifle. Thus you only have to buy a set of rings appropriate for the scope diameter.

On centerfire rifles types of this simple mounting system has been used by Sako and Ruger and several other rifles for years.

Prior to that you needed a set of bases designed for they type of rings you planned on putting on the scope. Weaver was one of the first and simplest designed and are still an excellent system. Others are Redfield, Leapold, Burris and a whole bunch more. Weaver is one of the most commenest.

Bases are attached to a rifle reciever. Rings are attached to the bases. The scope is attached to the rings.

Another question Faucettb:

It is obvious that i'm not an expert in this field so please bare with me for I am a very quick learner too. Whenever looking at scopes they might have numbers like this:

4-12x40mm

or

5-15x40mm

and such. What do those numbers represent?? Also, when it says "adjustable objective" and "multi X reticle matte", what do they mean?

Another question Faucettb:

It is obvious that i'm not an expert in this field so please bare with me for I am a very quick learner too. Whenever looking at scopes they might have numbers like this:

4-12x40mm

or

5-15x40mm

and such. What do those numbers represent?? Also, when it says "adjustable objective" and "multi X reticle matte", what do they mean?

Multi X reticles are a cross hair riticle that is thick for a portion then becomes thinner in the middle. There are a bunch of reticles on the market and the multi X is probably the most popular. Some reticles have a dot in the middle, some have small dots on them called mil dot reticles to aid in sighting at long distances. There are some range finder reticles that have markes on the cross hairs to aid in aiming at longer ranges.

Scopes that say 4-12 X 40 are a variable power scope that will have a selectable magnafication range between four power and 12 power.

The 40mm refers to the size of the objective lens ( the lens in the front of the scope) Usually the larger this is the more light it will gather and the brighter it will be. Some of this is just advertising because there are some other factors such as pupil exit diameter, optical coatings and some other factors that determine how bright a scope is.

An adjustable objective comes in two forms, The most commen is on the objective end of the scope and the whole front objective lens turns to adjust focus at different distances. On some of the newer (more expensive) high power scopes will have another knob such as the windage and elevation knob on the center of the scope that adjust the focus of the objective lens.

These type of scopes are desirable for target shooters and allow you to focus the scope at distances usually from 25 feet to infinity (far as you can see).

Most big game hunters use scopes without this feature. Scopes developed for big game hunting usually have the focus adjusted for a hundred yards or beyond, though there is no problem shooting game at closer distances.

Most small game hunters, hunters using black powder and hunters using scoped shotguns use scopes adjusted for a focus of 50 yards and beyond.

Well I hope I havn't confuse you more than I've helped you. One other thing ask any questions you have. That is what this forum and the folks here are for. As you can see by my long winded answer most of us are eager and willing to share what little knowledge we have with other shooters and especially with folks just getting into the shooting sports.

Thanks a lot pal.... I appreciate it.

Is Mueller a good brand of scopes? I've seen one that i really like but dont know if the quality is well worth the $$$. Anyone ever messed around with these?

These little rifles, improved by Brook's trigger pin kit, are the best bargain going in .22s, IMHO. I put nice old steel Weaver T10 w/1/2 min dot in the CZ rings on mine and am routinely whacking crows (maybe 3 for 5) at 125-140 yds out of the corn patch with Wolf Match Target. Any critter under 100 is dead meat. I have an honest-to-God 1/4 inch 5 shot 100meter group pasted to the frig, and have shot a number of 1/2 groups with it, all with the Wolf. Mine also likes the new fast CCI Velocitor, best 100m grouyp about 7/8, average 1-1 1/4, which did a great job on chucks up to 100 this summer. Now if I can just figure out how to hit those little white ckickens, pigs, turkeys and rams at the range.........