I bought a new Remington light varmint Model 700 yesterday. Good looking gun, that I didn't know they made.
Bought one box of Federal ammo with the 60 grain Nosler bullets.
At fifty yards, the bullets are keyholeing and at 100, they are all over they place.

Called Remington this morning and they of course recommend the 55 grain bullet. I have had this happen with a 223 that I got excited about with 75 grain factory Hornady until I shot it a few times. I don't think those rounds have touched ground yet. They were sprayed everywhere.

I'm just fine with the 55 grain. Before I drive back out to the ranch to sight this one in, has anyone else had this happen? and do you think this will cure it!
Thx in advance

That's about the way my .222 performs. Accuracy is good with Hornady 55 grain SX bullets, but 60 grain Hornady HP bullets grouped about 3-4" at 100 yards and often missed low on the 2X2 foot target board at 200 yards. They will go through 3/8" fir plywood sideways at 200 yards. Hornady does not recommend the 60 grain HP in a slow twist .222.

Bye
Jack

That's about the way my .222 performs. Accuracy is good with Hornady 55 grain SX bullets, but 60 grain Hornady HP bullets grouped about 3-4" at 100 yards and often missed low on the 2X2 foot target board at 200 yards. They will go through 3/8" fir plywood sideways at 200 yards. Hornady does not recommend the 60 grain HP in a slow twist .222.

Bye
Jack

Thx Jack.
I gave it a real good cleaning just now and will try it again in the morning.
.22's I have had in the past were finicky but very accurate once I found the right bullet. That's probably the case here.
I have yet to buy dies and start reloading for it.

the 1:14 twsit that rifle has is just on the edge of being too slow for 60gr. bullets...and it's the LENGTH of the bullet that the barrel twist requires rather than just the weight...a blunt nosed flat based 70g. Speer will probably shoot OK as it is shorter than the long nosed 60gr. Hornady.

Plan on shooting nice sharp pointed 55gr. bullets (or those that weigh less)....would need a faster twist barrel to shoot those really long pointed .224" bullets.

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Had a very accurate .220Swift 1:14 twist. the 60gr. Hornady HP was just a tad tto long...would keyhole. The 60gr. SP was a little better, grups still large but no keyholes. IF i filed the tips off the 60gr. SP's, theyd group just fine...right on the edge for that barrel, clipping that little tip of lead was just enough to get it in line at 100yards.....haven't a clue what it did past that as i gave up fighting the barrel's wants and whent back to 55gr. bullets.

Had your chance for another tack driving 6.5mm, Tom - what's this with the 22-250? :D

Had your chance for another tack driving 6.5mm, Tom - what's this with the 22-250? :D
Hey there!
That 6.5 now has a 4.5x14 Nikon on it. You know me, I might want to view the moon while I'm hunting.
I traded my CZ 223 for this new gun.
The CZ was a very accurate gun but when hunting and carrying it in the woods, I found that the exposed magazine was not comfortable while slung over my shoulder and the extra weight of the bull barrel made it a drag to carry since I call and move a lot. It is a great target gun.
This new Remington is based on the ADL but sports a fluted 22" barrel, good looking wide forearm stock, R3 (limbsaver) pad, jeweled bolt. and is much easier to carry. I put the 4-12 Swift on it.
Didn't even know they made this one.
It will be a pure varmint gun and occasionally put some X's over some pigs eyes.
I think the forum is right, probably too much bullet. Bought some 55 grain Federal so I could reload with Federal brass.
Gonna get dies for it this week-end. What bullet do you guys recommend. Heard a lot about the V-max

Hornady V-Max's and Nosler BT's in 50 - 55 gr are great varmit loads. Think I'd get something tougher for head shooting hogs, though. Say the Barnes Triple Shock or such.

The Ruger M77 (tang safety) I used to have in 22-250 did a fantastic job with the Nosler BT's on paper - only thing I ever shot with it. After selling to a cohort at work, it went antelope and deer hunting with equal results. Don't know what type of bullets he used.

The protruding magazine is about the only reason I don't own a CZ today. Like the looks otherwise, and folks that bring them to the gunrange really enjoy them, especially the set triggers.

I used 55 grain Sierra boattails and Varget powder in my 700VLS 22-250. It shot better than I could hold it. It worked on everthing from p.dogs to deer. Don't know how tuff a pigs head is tho.

I used 55 grain Sierra boattails and Varget powder in my 700VLS 22-250. It shot better than I could hold it. It worked on everthing from p.dogs to deer. Don't know how tuff a pigs head is tho.
Bout as tuff as mine!
BTW I just got back from the range.
With Federal 55 grain Sierra HPBT it was dead on with about a 1" spread.
So I guess that was the problem
Just bought some 55 grain Hornady V-Max bullets, already had some Varget and I will use the Federal cases that I've shot so here we go again.
At the public range here in Fort Worth, I put up a new target, and some A--hole next to me started shooting at it. I called him on it the first time for not watching what he was doing. The second time I hollered at him and things got a little dicey.
The guy should have been kicked off because he kept shooting while everyone was waiting to go down and check targets.
There was no range boss on the line-
I hate public ranges.
Bet that wouldn't have happened in Mesa.

Your 22-250 should shoot great with 34.0 grains of IMR-4895 and a Nosler 55 gr BT. All that I have worked with love this load (about 3600 from a 26 in tube). For other than varmits, the BT's are explosive, try a 55 grain Hornady SP. They hold together really well when shooting deer, so should be good bet for others. The 60 grain Nosler Partition is a long bullet and 1-14 twists do have trouble with them. You can try to handload to a higher velocity to try to get them to stabilize, but it isn't likely. Use a standard primer ( I like the CCI 200) and work up to this load. Good shooting!

IDoc

Your 22-250 should shoot great with 34.0 grains of IMR-4895 and a Nosler 55 gr BT. All that I have worked with love this load (about 3600 from a 26 in tube). For other than varmits, the BT's are explosive, try a 55 grain Hornady SP. They hold together really well when shooting deer, so should be good bet for others. The 60 grain Nosler Partition is a long bullet and 1-14 twists do have trouble with them. You can try to handload to a higher velocity to try to get them to stabilize, but it isn't likely. Use a standard primer ( I like the CCI 200) and work up to this load. Good shooting!

IDocDoes the V-MAx hold together?

The A-Max was designed primarily as a target bullet, Tom. The jacket is almost as thin as the V-Max's. For hog hunting, would again encourage tougher bullets like the Barnes TSX. For paper punching and varmits, the V or A-Max will work fine.

The A-Max was designed primarily as a target bullet, Tom. The jacket is almost as thin as the V-Max's. For hog hunting, would again encourage tougher bullets like the Barnes TSX. For paper punching and varmits, the V or A-Max will work fine.
Okay, Ken
Now you got me interested in the Barnes TSX bullet.
Their website states higher velocity with lower preesure due to the anular rings. I can understand that.
It also states that you can go up above published max loads 1/2 grain at a time up to 2 grains.
The Nosler book states Winchester cases, 55 grain bullet, 35 grains of Varget is max for 3635 FPS out of a 24" barrel. I have a 22"
If I switched to the Barnes 55 grain, you think its OK to go with 36 grains. Everything else would be the same.
You don t have to answer that one or I could PM you.
Thx Tom

Work your way up on it from the middle of the recommended loadings in 1 grain increments until you reach the 36 grain level, or until your fired cases tell you to back off a grain or two.

Each chamber will react differently, so can't recommend you step off at max or over until your rifle tells you what it will take.

Remember, the Barnes like to have a bit of a jump start and need to be backed off the lands .030 - .050". That pure copper doesn't crush down like a cup/lead core jacketed bullet will do. The three grooves in the Barnes is supposed to compensate for this somewhat, plus have less bearing surface for friction drag and fouling. Think you'll like them for the pigs. Kind of expensive for just everyday plinking and varmits, though.

Why not establish a loading with the Barnes for best accuracy and the piglets and another with the V or A-Max for paper punching and coyotes?

Work your way up on it from the middle of the recommended loadings in 1 grain increments until you reach the 36 grain level, or until your fired cases tell you to back off a grain or two.

Each chamber will react differently, so can't recommend you step off at max or over until your rifle tells you what it will take.

Remember, the Barnes like to have a bit of a jump start and need to be backed off the lands .030 - .050". That pure copper doesn't crush down like a cup/lead core jacketed bullet will do. The three grooves in the Barnes is supposed to compensate for this somewhat, plus have less bearing surface for friction drag and fouling. Think you'll like them for the pigs. Kind of expensive for just everyday plinking and varmits, though.

Why not establish a loading with the Barnes for best accuracy and the piglets and another with the V or A-Max for paper punching and coyotes?

I will probably do that. Since I just bought the V-max bullets. Should be good for most of what I do.
Those Barnes look real good for the 7mm-08. Might need to try those.
I'll send you a map on that New Mexico ranch for antelope.
Thx for the help guys-

I'm going to lighten the trigger on this new Remington. does anyone have the website address for those instructions.
I thought I had seen them here before.
Thx Tom

Look forward to the map.

Have one guy gazing off in the distance at the range - will probably have a deposit out of him by January.