I have decided to buy only truely American made firerams from this point forward, such as Ruger and Henry Repeating Arms. Do you realize that Remington is now importing guns from both Russia and Yugoslavia? Savage is importing guns from Russia. Marlin is having shotguns made in China ! Mossberg is having guns made in Mexico. Winchester and Browning both have a majority of their guns made in Japan. And many of these companies are bragging about these guns being made outside the US. I say buy Americn made only and my support will go to manufacturers like Henry & Ruger

I am distressed by this too! We(The USA) have become a nation of distribution. I would prefer to buy products made by my countrymen.
I have noticed a trend at my workplace. Too many employes want to do "virtiual work" rather than the real thing.
I sugest to you, to build your own firearm. Make it your own way. Make it better than anyone elses. Then offer it for sale to me. I will buy it if you can offer it at a fare price.
Cheezywan

Thanks for the info. I'll do my homework before I buy a new gun. Maybe it's time for me to stop buying new firearms and only consider used guns. Dang, this upsets me. I make it a point to buy as many US brands as possible, in fact I even order my boots from White's down in Spokane, partly because I like them and partly because they are made here in the USA!

On a somewhat different angle to this thread, I've often wondered why some of our main rifle manufacturers have stuck with residing in states that are hostile to their business - NY, CT, MA to name a few. I guess that it's due to the availability of skilled craftsmen that provide a pool of workers for this industry? These states have some of the highest median incomes, highest living costs, highest taxes, etc. It's no wonder why they look outside the US for their manufacturing, but I wonder why they don't just pull up and relocate to states more friendly to their business, and where they would have a lower overall cost to produce their products. That would mean uprooting many peoples' lives, but that's where it's headed anyway if outsourcing and downsizing is one of the business options.

I'm not yet ready to condemn our gun manufacturers that outsource if it means a good product at a fair price, when there's still a measure of "American" in it.

Toyotas are built in georgia. Nissan in Tennessee. Cevy's in Mexico. It's hard to draw a line between whats made in American any more. You wonder why as you drive along in the new Titan listening to the new Sony pulling the new Yamah talking on the new Hitachi linked to the new Japanese Satalite.

I don't like it either, but face it; it's a global economy. The reasons for American industry moving offshore are numerous, and not least among them are regulation, taxes, and labor costs. If I'm making widgets in the USA and the government under pressure from environmental groups tells me that I have to have anti pollution device x installed by 1995, then that adds to my cost. If I also get a union pressuring me to give pension and wages that cost y, and are a large increase over what I know that I can afford, I again raise my price to compensate. If the government then comes and tells me that my tax rate is now z, I have reached the point at which I cannot manufacture widgets and make a reasonable profit, so I look for ways to cut costs and avoid the smothering regulations. If I see that country A has no regulations, has a willing workforce that will work for pennies, and has shipping facilities, then I give it a hard look. When I find that I can manufacture, ship and sell my product for alot less than make it in the USA, then that's what I do.

Every action taken by government and labor in the form of regulations, taxes, and wages has a reaction from manufacturers and business. If the government would reduce their end of the equation, and labor theirs, then we might see things turn around. But since lobby groups for environmentalists and labor unions, as well as greedy politicians wanting more of your money to give away to those that haven't earned it don't seem to want to cooperate, then you will see less products made in the USA, and those that are will cost a lot more.

How fasr do you want to go? Does the iron ore have to be mined, process, and forged into steel in the US? Do the machine tools that shape the parts have to be US made? No non-citizen workers on the assembly line? No outsourcing the computer work to keep track of it all? Only power running the place produced with US fuels firing the electric plants?

Like it or not, we are part of the "big economy"...the US isn't so much a producer as it is a consumer...(Mel Brooks" "It's good to be the king.").

Actually for all of us we can ask for American made products, if the dealer does not have what we want ask them why. When I cannot find an american product, I do a internet search and see if I can find what I want US made. I've always raised my kids to look for US products and buy them if possible. Far as firearms are concerned we do have American Made products to choose from, if not why not buy an antique that was made in the USA, that is always an investment option in firearms.

now please some one specify are all remington firearms made in russia and said yugoslavia
or just some line such as their spartan line.
wich i hate to say is acctually pretty good. but the name says it all, spartan, no glitz.

I would love to only buy American made, but I would also love it if American made allways meant the highest quality at a reasonable cost. One doesn't have to look very far for an example (American car manufacturers) where American made means second best or worse along with high prices. I think unions started out as a good thing once upon a time, with valid points. My grandfather was a union man who worked for the Santa Fe all his life. I had great respect for that man as he had the highest level of integrity. Even he conceded that unions had become too greedy as well as having too much overhead and corruption. Of course, executives who look to short-term profits instead of building long-term value don't help matters either. Then, of course, America's prolific lawsuits add to the cost as well. There are a lot of contributions to the problem, but the overwhelming incentives at play in the market place will win the day. American businesses have to compete and do better.

I still try to buy American as much as I can without inconveniencing myself too much. I wouldn't hesitate to buy a new Marlin or Remington, but I wouldn't buy one of their imported models. When it comes to guns and knives I am VERY "american made only". I don't necessarily have a real good reason for it. I'm definitely anti-union but I still try to trade with the people that live the closest to me whenever reasonably able. I will even drive to the store and pay a slightly higher price before I buy something on-line. I like to support the retail outlets that employ people and pay taxes in MY community.

On a somewhat different angle to this thread, I've often wondered why some of our main rifle manufacturers have stuck with residing in states that are hostile to their business - NY, CT, MA to name a few.


Could also be called "quitting". Most Americans don't quit their land, homes, friends and family to hide from problems.

Could also be called "quitting". Most Americans don't quit their land, homes, friends and family to hide from problems.

True, it could be that fighting American attitude as well, preventing them from "giving up."

I recall a couple months back one of the western states (NV, NM?) was on a campaign courting the firearms manufacturers to relocate to their state where the political climate was more friendly. It might happen someday.

Didn't Buck Knife recently relocate from Kalifornie to Idaho because of repressive business climate?

Didn't Buck Knife recently relocate from Kalifornie to Idaho because of repressive business climate?

A quick look on the web shows their address as Post Falls, ID, in a "We have moved" pop-up box, so I guess they did. I wish Winchester would move to Boise or something.
:)

i too question about firearms made in the U.S.after 1995.
i look for guns made in the 70's or before
i have bought guns that are major brand that i seem are deemed questionable from origination.
they shoot well but are they american made?

I have decided to buy only truely American made firerams from this point forward, such as Ruger and Henry Repeating Arms. Do you realize that Remington is now importing guns from both Russia and Yugoslavia? Savage is importing guns from Russia. Marlin is having shotguns made in China ! Mossberg is having guns made in Mexico. Winchester and Browning both have a majority of their guns made in Japan. And many of these companies are bragging about these guns being made outside the US. I say buy Americn made only and my support will go to manufacturers like Henry & Ruger

Do you only burn 'American' gas in your vehicles.?
Do you only wear 'American' made clothes?
Do you only eat 'American' gown food?
Do you only use 'American' made appliances?
When your local utility burns imported oil do you turn off the lights?

'Nuf said.'

Be American, buy American used to be a union supportive slogan, started by the unions as work was just beginning to be taken from them and given to non-union workers. It was a scare tactic but it has become true. Those non-union workers here in the states that had the work that used to be union, have lost a very large portion of that work to off-shore plants in the name of cutting costs. People give all sorts of reasons for that but the most telling reason is simply that it makes more sense to those at the top of the companies outsourcing those jobs to keep them going out because their paychecks keep getting larger and their bonuses for quarterly performance keep getting better. If you cut labor costs and then get a reward, a bonus, what are you going to do next quarter?

Remington is so far, importing the Spartan Gunworks line. I seem to recall reading that they are having power allocation/pricing problems here in the states. That coupled with the high cost of labor and how poorly the 710 was received when it was seen by some at Remington as a way to maintain marketshare without pricing themselves out of the market. This leads me to a small nagging worry that they might be the first to move to a place wherepower and labor is less costly. It would just be a prudent business decision that among the corporate minds of 2005 would cause some pain, but in the end, keep Remington viable.

We as consumers are caught in a bind. We want American made goods. We are willing to pay a fair price for them, but would really rather find a "deal". No shame in that. But this leads us to shop places like WalMart. WalMart carries some of what we want at such low prices that we can not afford to not shop there. But shopping at WalMart is a huge part of the problem. They are such a large purchaser that they can dictate terms to manufacturers. This forces manufacturers to try to cut costs more anywhere that they can to make up for getting hosed in a deal with WalMart. Guess what? We as consumers have this power to drive companies out of the country because we won't pay what it costs to make the products we want unless we can get what we think is a good deal. People post here talking about the great deals that WalMart has on Weatherby Vanguards for $300.00 Yes, Weatherby is a bad example because they have always made guns outside the states. Just substitute another firearms manufacturer's name. and the word gets out. I wonder how many they buy from Weatherby at what price to be able to offer that retail price? I wonder how that affects Weatherby? I wonder when Weatherby will have to move all of it's manufacturing operations out of the states because Roy and his kids or the CEO aren't making enough per year?

It is frustrating not being able to support the companies you want to support because their trade practices have forced them into the postition of moving out of the United States for cheaper pastures. I believe that everyone willing to work should earn a decent, living wage in the community of their choice. I fear that the political and moral climate of greed the last 30 years has made that very difficult as it has made the decision to pay less for work performed and value the decision to move jobs and companies outside the U.S. more profitable.

I guess it is a good thing I like Ruger as I can't afford Dakota just yet. One day, maybe.

Do you only burn 'American' gas in your vehicles.?
Do you only wear 'American' made clothes?
Do you only eat 'American' gown food?
Do you only use 'American' made appliances?
When your local utility burns imported oil do you turn off the lights?

'Nuf said.'

I buy American made whenever possible.

'Nuff said!

OK, we're getting off of the firearms topics. Done.....

Yeap, it is...

Come on guys, you ever stop to read the opening post and wonder why a new user makes their absolute first post a controversial topic. Read and don't bite the troll bait. Have a little more forum savy than that and always ask yourself "why post" when the original author does not even bother to respond to follow up.