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faucettb
12-23-2005, 11:03 AM
Have a friend whom asks if anyone has had any problems with extraction or breaking an extractor with the steel cased ammo?

Thanks
bob

Cheezywan
12-23-2005, 01:32 PM
I have heard no reports of it in my area. Have seen large piles of 7.62X39 that were steel cased. Someone is using it in large voume.
Cheezywan

Luisyamaha
12-23-2005, 01:41 PM
I've been using steel case ammo on my Mosin-Nagant (7.62X54R)without any trouble. For that matter, the magnet sticks to the projectile also.

kdub
12-23-2005, 02:38 PM
Only problem I've heard is the lacquer buildup in the chambers/actions have caused some sticky operations. Don't know for sure, as I never use the stuff myself.

Sure wish the crap would be banned from import - sure get tired of cleaning up the spent cases mess left by those that use it. We now have a big magnet at the range for just this purpose.

markkw
12-23-2005, 02:43 PM
kdub, slobs are everywhere and it does not matter if it's steel cased ammo or drink containers, people are going to be slobs.

As for the ammo, I've used lots of it and even reloaded some w/o problems.

faucettb
12-23-2005, 04:01 PM
Thanks for the comments guys. My friend has a mini-14 and has been shooting mostly handloads. He was given some Wolf ammo, I believe, and was unsure about shooting it in his rifle.

Fenring
12-23-2005, 04:28 PM
I've been using steel case ammo on my Mosin-Nagant (7.62X54R)without any trouble. For that matter, the magnet sticks to the projectile also.


Same here. But beware - a lot of steel case ammo is likely to be corrosive primed.

jpattersonnh
12-23-2005, 04:58 PM
I have had problems extracting steel case 8mm ammo out of a Model 95 Arabian Mauser. Brass case is no problem. JP

Same here. But beware - a lot of steel case ammo is likely to be corrosive primed.(qoute)

If it's Military surplus from Com-Bloc countries treat it as corrosive!!
Wolf is not!

Luisyamaha
12-24-2005, 07:35 AM
For sure my surplus 7.62X54R is corrosive. I'm aware of that, and clean accordingly, but thanks for the reminder anyhow.
Funny how different ranges operate. Where I do most of my rifle shooting they encourage people to leave their spent casings on the floor. You can pick them up and take them with you if you want, but they don't want the spent casings being thrown in the garbage. The garbage can is for boxes, patches and other assorted garbage (what else?). The caretaker prefers to sort the brass as he picks it up and separates the steel cases rather than have to sort them out from a can or bucket. Few people reload in PR due to our laws, so the range caretaker sells the cases as scrap. I pick up my 30-06 Match brass and 8mm (8X57) brass, as they are both difficult to get here, and, in a pinch, I CAN have them reloaded by somebody that does match loads. It just costs more than new ammo. All the other cases just stay there for the caretaker to sell.

kdub
12-24-2005, 02:52 PM
Yup, Luisyamaha - We sell the brass, too.

We scoop up the spent brass -sort out the @&%$ steel stuff and dump the mixed brass into barrels. No sorting or cherry picking. When the barrels get full, they're hauled into the salvage yard and sold as scrap. Proceeds are returned to the range's general improvement fund.

ironhead7544
12-28-2005, 08:26 PM
I think the steel case rumor came from the WWII production of 45 ACP. The ammo was supposed to be for the M3 Sub gun and was not to be used in the 1911 pistols. Supposedly the steel case would expand and stick in the chamber causing extractor breakage. Never saw that on the pistol. When I was on the Army pistol team, we shot up a bunch of steel case ammo with no problems. The M3 was blowback and would not have that problem.

ribbonstone
12-28-2005, 10:18 PM
Shot up a good bit of the steel cased .45acp as well, no problems. As for the military steel cased rounds; so long as they re shot in military rifle of that caliber, haven't had a bit of trouble. Can add in some WWII steel cased (and steel jacketed) 9mm as well....other than an occasional split case in 9mm, they worked just fine.

Don't know who made it, but had a small number of steel cased 30carbine rounds...until they came my way, never knew the .30carbine was made in steel.

No doubt about it, the steel cases do not contract after firing as much as brass would, and it's quite possible for it to give extraction problems in tight chambered guns (the military chambers it was made to work in are not).

ironhead7544
12-31-2005, 08:19 PM
The 30 carbine ammo was quite rare. Bought a 15 shot magazine form a guy at a gun show and the last 10 rounds were steel. He said the mag had been loaded since WWII. Those were the only ones Ive ever seen, and Ive been to a lot of shows.

ribbonstone
12-31-2005, 09:21 PM
Flood took those and the record books...and I do not remember the headstamp of those steel cased 30carbines.

Now that I think of it, my stash of WCC .22hornet ammo and cases was also trashed...that stuff use to be sold as cheap surplus, and if anyone ever asks what the best .22hornet case is, can tell them the military WCC 1960.

jim johnson
01-01-2006, 03:13 PM
My CZ 527 in 223 won't chamber the wolf 223. Have seen guys shoot them in a mini-14 though.

Luisyamaha
01-02-2006, 03:11 PM
Talked to the caretaker. He doesn't separate the steel cases from the brass ones, the scrap people do that with a huge magnet. Gets .20-.30 cents/lb. for the brass and .02 cents /lb. for the steel. What he doesn't want to do is sort the cases from the rest of the garbage, food, cans, used targets, ammo boxes, etc..

craig61a
01-08-2006, 07:25 PM
As far as shooting Wolf Steel case ammo in a Mini14, I do recall reading sometime back that Ruger does not recommend it, and if I remember correctly doing so will void any warranty. Maybe check their site for more info. If somebody already posted this, then never mind...;)

Swany
01-11-2006, 01:10 PM
The only good parts about steel cased ammo it's cheap and it rusts up fast right where most shooters leave it.

Wrench Man
01-11-2006, 09:45 PM
Shot tons of the cheap Russian 7.62x39 (not Wolf) thrue my MiniThirty, the only problems I had were feeding problems from the CHEAP aftermarket magazines, and the Ruski stuff is way hotter than the Winchester and PMC.

Swany
01-13-2006, 02:27 PM
Does that cheap russian ammo adhere to SAMMI specs? One other thought, steel cased ammo would be as hard or harder than the steel in your rifles chamber if you get a piece of dirt in between or a steel shaving off the case which way would it imbed in the chamber or in the case? I believe I'll stick to brass!

ribbonstone
01-13-2006, 03:23 PM
Does that cheap russian ammo adhere to SAMMI specs? One other thought, steel cased ammo would be as hard or harder than the steel in your rifles chamber if you get a piece of dirt in between or a steel shaving off the case which way would it imbed in the chamber or in the case? I believe I'll stick to brass!

Agree..stick to brass. IF the rifle is one designed to run on the steel cases stuff (Ak-clones, SKS, etc.) then they seem to run just fine with this stuff...no proablmes, it's what they were made to digest. Delicate, they are not.