View Full Version : M48 vs. 24/47 what is the difference?
zoostation
01-02-2006, 09:33 PM
Well I guess the title says it all. I know a lot about Mosins but I don't know diddly when it comes to Mausers. I'm in the process of choosing a new (to me) Mauser and I am looking at both models. Wanted to know what the difference between the two is, and if there's either anyone would recommend.
Thanks in advance----
density1
01-03-2006, 02:37 PM
There is little real difference. Mostly cosmetic.
1. The M48 has a steel cup on the butt of the stock and the 24/47 has a plate.
2. The M48 has a bent bolt handle and the 24/47 is straight.
3. The 24/47 has sling hoops that are easier to put a modern sling on. The M48 has the old K98 style of sling. A square hole in the middle of the shoulder stock and fixed hoop on the side of the barrel ring.
As time went on the M48 developed variants: M48A, M48B, and M48BO. The 24/47 and M48 had all milled parts. The M48A, B, and BO have some stamped metal parts. Floor plate and trigger guard are something to look at.
Here are some links to read:
http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5637
http://www.surplusrifle.com/yugom48/index.asp
As with any milsurp rifle, be sure the bore is good and the bolt's serial number matches the receiver's serial number.
8mm ammo is cheap, making these good plinking guns.
Either gun will make a good hog hunting rifle.
Enjoy, Dave
Gil Martin
01-03-2006, 03:43 PM
Well I guess the title says it all. I know a lot about Mosins but I don't know diddly when it comes to Mausers. I'm in the process of choosing a new (to me) Mauser and I am looking at both models. Wanted to know what the difference between the two is, and if there's either anyone would recommend.
Thanks in advance----
I have several Model 48s, 48As and 24/47s. The previous poster covered many of the salient points. My impression is that the 24/47s are better made, smoother and more desirable. I have several 24/47s that were reworked VZ-24s and still have their BRNO markings. There are Yugoslav '98 Mausers around that are reworked German rifles. I prefer them to Model 48s. So it depends on what you like, handles well and you can afford.
If you get either rifle and shoot military ammo, be advised that military ammo may be corrosive and requires prompt and proper bore cleaning to avoid rusting and pitting. All the best...
Gil
tumbledown
01-03-2006, 08:12 PM
A few clarifications, if I may. Yugoslav reworked Czech Vz24's are NOT 24/47's. These were designated 24/52c. The 24/47 is exclusively based on the pre-war M1924, originally designed by FN, in Belgium. The M1924 (and later, 24/47), is an intermediate length action, about 0.25" shorter that the full-length actions on rifles such as the K98k and Vz24. The M48 series of rifles were direct copies of the earlier M1924 (which had evolved into the 24/47). The differences from the 24/47 rifles were adopted to reduce production costs and complexity. The 24/47's are often smoother and have a bit tighter tolerances than the first of the M48 rifles (the M48 model). The factory in Serbia which produced the M1924's and later, the M48 series had to be completely reconstituted after WWII, as the Germans stole all of the equipment....and left only the empty buildings. So, the M48's suffered somewhat from start-up problems. The smoothness and tolerance issues were cured on the next series, the M48a (and, in most cases, these are just as smooth and tight as the 24/47's). By this time, though, an effort was made to further reduce production costs and time, so some stamped parts, instead of the all-milled parts of the M48, were adopted. The M48a has a stamped floorplate and magazine follower. The M48b also has a stamped triggerguard assembly. Though many regard these stamped parts as less desirable (than their milled counterparts), they have no negative effect as regards the operation or reliability of the rifles.
Gil Martin
01-04-2006, 03:42 PM
A few clarifications, if I may. Yugoslav reworked Czech Vz24's are NOT 24/47's. These were designated 24/52c. The 24/47 is exclusively based on the pre-war M1924, originally designed by FN, in Belgium. The M1924 (and later, 24/47), is an intermediate length action, about 0.25" shorter that the full-length actions on rifles such as the K98k and Vz24. The M48 series of rifles were direct copies of the earlier M1924 (which had evolved into the 24/47). The differences from the 24/47 rifles were adopted to reduce production costs and complexity. The 24/47's are often smoother and have a bit tighter tolerances than the first of the M48 rifles (the M48 model). The factory in Serbia which produced the M1924's and later, the M48 series had to be completely reconstituted after WWII, as the Germans stole all of the equipment....and left only the empty buildings. So, the M48's suffered somewhat from start-up problems. The smoothness and tolerance issues were cured on the next series, the M48a (and, in most cases, these are just as smooth and tight as the 24/47's). By this time, though, an effort was made to further reduce production costs and time, so some stamped parts, instead of the all-milled parts of the M48, were adopted. The M48a has a stamped floorplate and magazine follower. The M48b also has a stamped triggerguard assembly. Though many regard these stamped parts as less desirable (than their milled counterparts), they have no negative effect as regards the operation or reliability of the rifles.
I agree with many of your fine points. However, I have a rifle that was advertised by AIM Surplus as a 24/47, is marked the same way and has partially scrubbed BRNO (VZ-24) markings. I also have 24/52s in my collection. All the best...
Gil
tumbledown
01-04-2006, 08:51 PM
Well, if AIM advertised the rifle as a 24/47, they were incorrect. I can't comment on your rifle's markings, not having seen them....but, all true 24/47's started life as M1924s. I don't doubt what you say about your rifle, but it isn't a 24/47. If it is marked on the receiver as such, then you have a very unique rifle. The VZ24 rifles, when rearsenaled by the Yugoslavs, were re-named M24a or M24/52-C. If yours is marked 24/47, then the Yugoslavs mis-marked it....and it definitely is a true rarity.
Gil Martin
01-05-2006, 03:18 PM
Well, if AIM advertised the rifle as a 24/47, they were incorrect. I can't comment on your rifle's markings, not having seen them....but, all true 24/47's started life as M1924s. I don't doubt what you say about your rifle, but it isn't a 24/47. If it is marked on the receiver as such, then you have a very unique rifle. The VZ24 rifles, when rearsenaled by the Yugoslavs, were re-named M24a or M24/52-C. If yours is marked 24/47, then the Yugoslavs mis-marked it....and it definitely is a true rarity.
A lot of strange things may have happened in arsenals overseas. After reading your post, I opened the vault and looked at six Model 24/47s still in shipping boxers from AIM. Two are clearly marked 24/47 and have BRNO markings still partially visible under the Preducze 44 imprint. I then compared the action lengths with a VZ-24 and a Kar98k made at BRNO and they were exactly the same length. All the best...
Gil
tumbledown
01-05-2006, 08:08 PM
Hmm. That is very interesting. It is an aberation, according to all of the information I have seen. Nevertheless, as you say, a lot of strange things may have happened at the arsenal. I will make note of this, for future reference. It seems that, when it comes to the different variations of Yugoslav Mausers, nothing is carved in stone.
Thanks for the information.
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