I posted this question in another forum and would like the
opinions of the BB folks.
I am trying to decide which one to go with and will be used for
self defense and hunting.
I am leaning towrd the 10mm since its "different" and I like
to be different.
So help me in making up my mind.... :D

I posted this question in another forum and would like the
opinions of the BB folks.
I am trying to decide which one to go with and will be used for
self defense and hunting.
I am leaning towrd the 10mm since its "different" and I like
to be different.
So help me in making up my mind.... :D

Simple...if hunting is part of the equation, it's the 10mm.

Like the .45, and in a defensive role it is proably superior in mnay ways...but for hunting, it's seldom an error to go with the more powerful round.

Do you reload? Factory loadings of 10mm tend to be loaded down to potency similar to the 40 S&W.

Being "different" comes with a price. Your choices are much more limited for 10mm, and ammunition is going to cost more.

Nice how most folks assume that "hunting" means going for deer sized critters. That being said. here are some things to consider:
1. If you are "hunting" anything bigger than close-in Yotes, then you should do the 10mm. If you are poppin' wabbits, and chislers like me, then the 45 is fine. Remember the Tommy was as deadly as they came for relativly close distances in WWII.
2. If self defence is likely to involve your house and a bunch O' chitlins in the house. The 10 would tend to have more of an over penetration issue.
3. The previous poster is correct, MOST factory loads for the 10 are fairly weak, if you don't reload.

My vote would be to take the 45 route. There will be extra ammo at the corner drug store. I do like dabbeling with odd caliburs more so than most folks. But short of serious competition shooters, my 10mm never did anything for me that any of my varous 45's didn't do.

I'm going to use it for both hunting and as a back
up for home. Don't take wrong I like both equally
just deciding which to get. But I will use it mostly
for hunting nothing bigger than Bambi.

I shoot both .45acp and 10mm in 1911 frame pistols. Love them both. If I had to choose one, I don't believe I could. I tend to use both for similar uses. I do hand gun hunt, but I use a .357. The .45 is cheaper to shoot, but the 10mm can break cinder blocks. In a 1911 frame they both use the same mags, 7 rounds of .45 and 8 of 10mm. I would suggest buying a pistol that you can also buy the barrel and slide for the other caliber. The down side of a 10mm in a 1911 frame is you will have to replace barrel bushings from time to time. I have cracked 2 in 10 years. JP

Pepper,

I wholeheartedly encourage you to follow that urge to be different! I love the 10mm, and will always choose it over a .45 acp. In my opinion, there's nothing the .45 acp can do, that the 10mm isn't capable of doing better. That said, the .45 acp is cheaper to buy ammo for, and it's far more popular, so availability of ammo is better. If you reload, that wouldn't be an issue. I have 2 10's, a Glock 20 and a Smith and Wesson Model 610 Classic. Love them both. The 610 has claimed several PA. whitetails and a few whistlepigs to boot. Loaded with a 200gr Hornady XTP hollowpoint over a dose of HI SKOR 800x the 10mm is an awesome deer thumper. Load it with a 135gr Nosler or Sierra JHP over Hercules Blue Dot and it'll be all you'd ever want(short of a shotgun!) for home defense. The 135gr JHP's are great varmint medicine as well. As a bonus, the 610 Revolver uses moon clips, and can fire .40 S&W rounds as well.

Can you tell I really like the 10? Nothing against the .45acp, have owned several...just like the 10mm better. Good luck with whatever you choose.

Doc Holidude

As JP said, have them both. You can get an EAA Witness Tanfoglio with the conversion slide and barrel for less than $700. You would have a full size steel 10mm as well as a Full size steel 45acp. Hard pressed to find a good 45 for that much. Colt, Para, Kimber I know are higher for the 1 caliber. OK they are better built weapons, maybe! Give it some thought, anyway 2 guns are better than 1!

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Greg

The EAA Witness hunting model with the long barrel in 10mm or the Glock 20 with the extended barrel would be a better gun for whitetail. CorBon makes hunting ammo if you dont reload. The BTB 10mm bullet would be good if you reload. The 10mm comes close to being the mythical "all around cartridge". High velocity round with good bullet weight in a high cap semi auto thats reasonably sized. Ted Nugent used a Glock 20 on African game. It worked for him.

Other than Corbon, what other factory loads
are good?
I've been reading that there loaded down to .40 cal
loadings, if thats the case in point, then I'm going to get a 45.

From a different perspective: My shooting pard has a 10 mm Glock. Likes to shoot paper targets at the local range and picks up his brass for reloading. The amount of brass that he finds vs. the amount of cartridges that he shot always came out in the red. Rarely did he find any discarded 10 mm brass. So he went out and bought a .45 ACP Springfield 1911. Now the amount of brass that he picks up vs. the amount of cartridges that he shot always comes out in the black. In fact, so much so, that he has taken to bring a small cardboard box with him to the range for .45 ACP brass. What happened to his 10 mm? Well, he purchased a .40 S&W Barstow barrel for it, shoots all he wants, and still comes out ahead when picking up brass.
Moral of the story: Own guns in popular calibers if you intend to look for free brass at the range.

From a different perspective: My shooting pard has a 10 mm Glock. Likes to shoot paper targets at the local range and picks up his brass for reloading. The amount of brass that he finds vs. the amount of cartridges that he shot always came out in the red. Rarely did he find any discarded 10 mm brass. So he went out and bought a .45 ACP Springfield 1911. Now the amount of brass that he picks up vs. the amount of cartridges the he shot always comes out in the black. In fact, so much so, that he has taken to bring a small cardboard box with him to the range for .45 ACP brass. What happened to his 10 mm? Well, he purchased a .40 S&W Barstow barrel for it, shoots all he wants, and still comes out ahead when picking up brass.
Moral of the story: Own guns in popular calibers if you intend to look for free brass at the range.


Wondered what was happening to all my .45 brass.

Gents,

The W/W 175 silvertip in 10mm is a pretty good load, although maybe a bit heavy for urban carry/ use. Federal makes, or used to make a 155 grain full power 10, but I haven't seen many boxes of those lately, so they could be discontinued.

There is another company that I have heard of that had done some real work on the 10's.....Double Tap Ammo? something like that.

It sounds to me that you have already made up your mind, and that is not a bad thing, I think the 10 is an excellent cartridge, and certainly well worth consideration for hunting and defense.

Good luck, good shooting.

Steve

Wondered what was happening to all my .45 brass.So that was YOU doing all the cussin' and hollaring a few positions down from us! :p

go for a 190 grain flatpoint or hollow point.
use 14 grains of acc 9.
and blast away.
wouldn't even consider the .45 in that comparison.

although the .45 acp is a nice round, comfortable to fire
and provide nice stopping power.
But
When needed a choice: 10 mills will be IT
caioo

Man Doubletap has some good 10mm loads on their site!
I just saw one load a 215gr wfngc clocked at
1225 fps! Thats neat.

Buffalo Bore also has some heavy loads.

Pepper,

Other names to consider for factory 10mm's, as far as self defense loads, are Glaser, Magsafe, Triton and PMC Starfire. Glaser and Magsafe are specialized "frangible" loads, while the Triton and PMC Starfire loads are hollowpoints. Federal Hydra-Shocks and Remington Golden Sabre's are also to be considered. I load my own and it's been sooooo long since I've bought any loaded ammo...some of first few I mentioned may not be available anymore. Anywho, good luck on the matter.

Doc Holidude

What about the UMC brand from Remington?
good? bad? what?

If you want to shoot full house 10s don't buy a Glock... or you'll wind up with a handful of plastic shards.

Winchester and Federal both load full house 10s, as well as Doubletap and CorBon. Reloading is where the huge potential of the 10MM comes out, 135 grain to 220 grain bullet weight potential, cases are readily available from Midway or Ebay for once fired. I own a 40 S&W Beretta 96 that I love, I bought it because I couldn't afford a Kimber and didn't really want a used gun and couldn't find a Smith 1006 at the time. I like the 40 S&W a lot... I can't use the 200 or 220 grain bullets but 185 to 135 are very reliable. Personally 40 is worth a look.. its cheaper than 45 and easy to shoot...

Mr P,

I have had excellent luck out of Rem UMC as range ammo, and I rate it the highest out of ammo of that type. Close behind it is white box WIN USA stuff, and then quality drops off noticably with the remainder of the brands, and with those I have had mixed results. Some have been so poor, that I will refuse to use them anymore, ifI am paying the tab.

Matt,

I'm curious and excited about a 220 grain 10mm bullet, as I didn't know of any. Who has this bullet, and is there any data? I am working up the 200 grainer BTB, and it is doing so well, I think there is room for improvement. ANy thoughts?

Thanks fellows, good shooting.

Steve

Matt,

"If you want to shoot full house 10s don't buy a Glock... or you'll wind up with a handful of plastic shards."

I'm curious as to when this happens?? My G20, which I purchased new in 1992, is still going strong. It has had everything from 200 grain Black Talons and Hornady XTP's to the hottest, fastest 135 grain JHP's on the planet run through it. No plastic shards yet. :cool:

Doc Holidude

[QUOTE=whitehunter35]Mr P,

I'm curious and excited about a 220 grain 10mm bullet, as I didn't know of any. Who has this bullet, and is there any data? I am working up the 200 grainer BTB, and it is doing so well, I think there is room for improvement. ANy thoughts?
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Well 3D bullets HAD a 220 gran LSWC.
Nice bullet.

Have made a ladder-series
using accurate 7 and 9 powders.
NOT yet been able to chrono them
SRY.

The guns I'm looking at is of course the EAA Witness, auction arms has a colt and s&w and a couple of kimbers.

The Glock I saw blown up was a 29... the 20 being a full size might be a bit stronger, although I don't know for sure. As far as an inherent problem with either model, I don't know, I know the 40s have the biggest problems in Glocks.

I can't find the 220 grain bullet I found when I was originally looking a 10 about a year ago... I am certain it was a jacketed flat point, and may have been available from Berrys or possibly Rainier. I don't shoot much lead, so I don't know the specifics on a custom mould, but I'm sure its not that far out of line.

Why not compare the 10mm to 45ACP +P?

45 ACP +P (or +P+) aren't safe in all firearms originally chambered for .45 ACP.

I believe that in the balance of things considered, the 10 comes out on top. Its biggest potential comes out in handloading...

I own both a 45 and a 10mm (both 1911 designs) and I have to go with the 45 on this vote. I love the 10 but I load and only shoot it 1/4 the amount I shoot the 45. Factory ammo for the 10? pain you know where to find.

45 ACP +P (or +P+) aren't safe in all firearms originally chambered for .45 ACP.

I believe that in the balance of things considered, the 10 comes out on top. Its biggest potential comes out in handloading...

That's not true. The USP45 is originally chambered for 45 Auto, but they handle 45 Super loads without a problem.

Not only that, but the steel frame of the 1911 is strong enough to handle the +P ammo anyway, all you need is a stronger recoil spring and a buffer.

If people are going to compare guns and ammo, they need to compare it to their modern equivalent, not the century old models. Everybody complains about the low ammo capacity of the 1911, yet they always seem to forget it's small caliber contemporary was the Luger which only held 8 rounds. Are you going to compare a Beretta 92F to a Luger?

.45 ACP+P and high capacity 1911s or pistols such as the USP or the XD are the new 45 Autos. Ammo, and weapons to fire that ammo are, imo, more easily accessable and desireable than the 10mm.

Shortly after the Miami Shoot-out, and after the ballistic test, S&W with their new gun of the week production and Colt with their Delta Elite had a couple good 10MMs on the market.

The companies producing 10mm ammo were marketing 200 grain loads that had more kick butt 100 yards down range than a 45ACP had at the muzzle.

Law enforcement agencies wanted a weaker load that most officers could handle, thus the Short & Weak 40.

All things considered, the 45ACP is hard to beat for no other reason it has a very long track record. The record is good.

Given the choice of which to carry, I'd go with the 10MM and handload if necessary.

Hoopie,

If you're going to be shooting at 100 yards, you better bring something more than an auto pistol.

That's all I have to say.

If you're going to be shooting at 100 yards, you better bring something more than an auto pistol.

That's all I have to say.

Army GI,

Standard Answer: Knowing there is going to be a gun fight, most of us wouldn't go. If we had to go, grab a rifle with a scope and make sure its sighted in.

Hoopie,