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tommyt302
04-20-2006, 07:01 AM
What does "porting" a rifle barrel actually do?
Ko Improbable
04-20-2006, 08:19 AM
What does "porting" a rifle barrel actually do?
Makes the recoil more managable. Either it just directs some of the muzzle flash off to the sides so that the gun isn't producing as much of a backwards push, or it directs some of the muzzle flash off into a direction to create a little force to actually counteract muzzle climb or recoil somewhat.
It also reduces the potential velocity of the bullet a tiny bit, but it's probably such a slight change that you wouldn't notice it.
Jim Rau
04-20-2006, 08:51 PM
The gasses are traveling about 5400 to 6000 fps and the mass is equal to the weight of the powder charge. 'Porting' and muzzle brakes bleed off some of this 'mass' usualy at right (90 degree) ankles and this reduces recoil. How effective this is depends on alot of veriables. The most important veriable is the tolarances in the brake. The tighter the 'fit' between the bullet and the wall of the brake the less gas will be able to 'pass' the bullet as it travels through the brake, and thus the more gas is vented off, and you feel less of the sharp 'kick'. As for velocity loss, when I tested the High-Tech brake I saw an average increase of 40 fps when the brake was installed compared to when the brake was removed. This brake has very tight tolerance! :)
mattsbox99
04-21-2006, 01:42 AM
Muzzle brakes and porting are different... A brake is specifically designed to be added on to the end of the barrel, after proper cutting, threading, and re crowning the barrel. Porting is whats done to the barrel of a gas operated semi automatic firearm, to vent the gas down a tube or other aparatus to operate the action... Some firearms may have a "vented" barrel, but that really does nothing, I've shot several Mossberg 500s and 835s that were "vented" and they didn't recoil any less than a regular non-vented shotgun.
If you are looking to purchase a muzzle brake or have one installed, I recommend a KDF brake... KDF makes very good products.
Jim Rau
04-21-2006, 04:52 AM
No they do not. My first two brakes were KDF's and I couldn't shoot them without ears, even hunting (I SOLD BOTH OF THOSE GUNS just to get rid of the KDF's)). There tolerances are not close and thus they don't reduce the recoil as effectivly as a tight tolerance brake and they are alot noiser, not to mention they are UGLY! :(
fat chance
04-21-2006, 03:35 PM
I prefer muzzle breaks because I dont want to decrease the overal barrel leingth. Porting the barrel can have the same effect more or less by drilling holes in the end three inches of the barrel just like the ones in the break. I like to have my breaks custom made to match my barrel exactly.
Break = removable
Porting= non removable
markkw
04-21-2006, 09:24 PM
A brake is supposed to reduce both recoil and muzzle climb. The most effective brakes are one with the barrel and do not allow for any clearance between the bullet and bore, the barrel is usually made longer and the ports are cut into the barrel so the gas is vented upward and rearward which pushed the muzzle down and the entire gun forward. These are termed as "integral brakes".
External brakes are those added on after the barrel is made, these may or may not be readily removed as some are silver soldered on. These are less effective and can sometimes cause serious accuracy issues because gases vent past the bullet the entire time it is in the brake.
Similar type item is a muzzle control which is not meant to compensate for recoil at all, only muzzle climb, these will have round or oval holes perpendicular to the bore. Most shotguns have this type as the barrel walls are too thin to get a good directed gas flow to the rear. You will find some high end shotgun barrels with slots rather than holes and close inspection will show they are directed rearward but the recoil reduction is quite small.
Ported barrels are different from those with a brake by two main things; one the barrel is no longer than a standard non-ported barrel, and two, they are not intended to reduce recoil, only muzzle climb because the holes are cut perpendicular to the bore.
A flash hider or flash supressor is not a brake nor is it porting. These are designed for the sole purpose of diffusing the muzzle flash in a manner as to make it harder to spot the shooter. These come in a variety of types & styles.
There is also a dual purpose unit which is a combination brake & flash supressor but these are often only found on top shelf mil-spec sniper rifles.
Last, for now anyway until something else comes out, is a vented barrel. Vented barrels are designed to allow a controlled release of the gas from the barrel in order to reduce the muzzle blast. Venting is most often found on serious trap/skeet barrels, the gas is vented prior to the shot leaving the bore so as to keep the muzzle blast from disrupting the pattern. Vented barrels will usually have a pattern of small diameter hole drilled completely around the circumfrence of the barrel or they may be a series of thin kerf cuts. Vented rifle barrels are rare and I have only seen two thus far in my travels.
A lot of times specific terminology is interchanged but each has its own specific definition. Just as a "light bulb", properly termed as a "lamp" should be properly identified by its specific function & type, IE: an incandescent is not interchangable with an HPS as an HPS is not interchanable with a mercury vapor.
Ernest
04-27-2006, 10:56 PM
Make the gun sound really LOUDDDDDDD!!!
Jim Rau
04-28-2006, 01:31 AM
But non directional. The game have no idea where the shot came from! :eek:
MMichaelAK
04-28-2006, 02:03 PM
What does "porting" a rifle barrel actually do?
It blasts the guy on the next bench with enough noise and shock that he has trouble shooting nice groups because the guy next to him with the ported barrel can't handle recoil from the .300 whizzbang he just had to have.
Sorry, been around too many yahoos who just have to have the latest, biggest, hottest, magnum and then NEED to port the barrel because recoil is too much for them. How much deader will that 180 grain bullet from a 300 Ultra mag kill deer than a 180 grain bullet from a 30-06?
Even with plugs and muffs the muzzle blast is excessive 8-10 feet away. If you feel you need a brake or porting, why not try a Past Recoil pad first. They work. Besides, there are guides up here that I know, who won't take you out because the damage to their hearing can ruin their livelyhood if you use a ported rifle.
Yes, they can reduce shooter felt recoil, but that energy has to go somewhere. How long will your hearing last when you use that rifle in the hunting fields?
Ekoch424
04-28-2006, 03:56 PM
I don't have enough experience shooting centerfire rifles to have an opinion, but I have a question: why do I see alot of 10/22 barrels that are ported? Will it really make a difference in a .22 LR or will you just have a hotter looking rifle?
markkw
04-28-2006, 05:02 PM
On the .22LR's it's purely looks and believe me, some people will spend a bundle on "cool looking" that does nothing else but add "bling".
jb12string
04-28-2006, 05:31 PM
It blasts the guy on the next bench with enough noise and shock that he has trouble shooting nice groups
It can work out very well for you if you are shooting in a match ;)
markkw
04-28-2006, 05:52 PM
ahhhh JB12, good come back! LOL
jb12string
04-28-2006, 05:57 PM
Ask me how I know :D
ribbonstone
04-28-2006, 06:15 PM
MAtch air pistols are coming though with muzzle brakes now...seem to be of some help with CO2 and pre-charged pneumatics...does seem more style than substance (but I'm not at that level of ability to test the theory).
Had a gun smith in the 1980's that made brakes...to convience customers that they wre of some use, he had one gun (300mag.) ported upside dwon to increase recoil. Side by side, no one walked away thinking they did nothing.
Remember one .22short rapid fire pistol with vents just ahead of the chamber...it's a sport where muzzle velcity isn't all that important. that worked...had a distrubing vent of gas in your field of view, but it did everything that that little puff of gas could do to hold the gun down.
Porting is cut directly into the barrel...not an attachment like a brake...and is usually pretty effective in what they do. Nothing in life is free, and with prts or brakes, the price you pay is in noise, a bit more difficulty cleaning, and not firing the gun from your hip.
Jim Rau
04-29-2006, 01:32 AM
Upside down to increase recoil!!! :confused: :rolleyes:
That defies the laws of physics!!!! :eek:
ribbonstone
04-29-2006, 09:01 AM
Upside down to increase recoil!!! :confused: :rolleyes:
That defies the laws of physics!!!! :eek:
Not if you vent to to the front... the downward venting did increased muzzle rise a great deal. May have been pysocological (after all, he was out to sell brakes) and the inceased rise made you think it recoiled harder but the forward slanted vents did seem to increase the "tap" on your shoulder.
One of the neat used for porting/brakes was on a freinds .22/250. Not that the gun recoils much, but by adding the brake, could spot his misses at long range and self-correct. Even the 22/250 will normally jar you off target (esp. with high powered scopes and their narrow field of view) and often you miss the impact of a miss...a spotter is nice, but his version of "1.2 a dog left and a tad high" isn't the same as yours.
500 magnum nut
04-29-2006, 06:42 PM
Porting is good on centerfire varmint rifles.
Lets say you are shooting 200+ yards, while looking thru your scope. It's nice to continue looking at your scope at the shot, to see if the dog falls over. If the gun recoils enough you will have to search thru your scope after each shot to see if you got him.
On some guns, I like ports.
You need ear muffs however.
Jim Rau
04-29-2006, 08:15 PM
It is already 'vented to the front', you can't direct any more forward than it already is!!! That is the reason a brake works, because it directs the gas away from the 'front'!! If you vent it down it will reduce recoil but increase muzzel rise. :confused:
MikeG
04-29-2006, 08:43 PM
It is already 'vented to the front', you can't direct any more forward than it already is!!! That is the reason a brake works, because it directs the gas away from the 'front'!! If you vent it down it will reduce recoil but increase muzzel rise. :confused:
Yes but your shoulder is less sensitive to recoil than you face......
ribbonstone
04-29-2006, 08:49 PM
Remembering shooting that critter, think you are right...but the noise and odd senstation of the incrreased barrel rise and concusion proably gave the illusion of more recoil. Even thinking on it now, still think it recoiled stronger....could it be the upwards componet of recoil was increased enough to bering nerve endings into play you wouldn't expect? Certainly was LOUD and it clearned the bench top of any loose objects (were shooting standing, but the bench tops were still getting a good blast of gas).
Jim Rau
05-01-2006, 02:11 AM
Your probably right. If the muzzle rose and busted you in the snot box it would get your attn more than a sore shoulder!!! :D
MMichaelAK
05-01-2006, 11:22 AM
JB,
Im sure it would! :D
Guess it's a good thing I don't shoot competitively. ;)
It takes up a lot of bench space but I have propped open a double rifle case to block muzzle blast. It actually works nicely.
acerman
05-07-2006, 07:16 AM
As far as recoil reduction is concerned. Porting, in my opion makes no difference what so ever.
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