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alyeska338
04-27-2006, 02:57 PM
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/268168_shootingfollow27.html?source=mypi

Amazing shot cited as self-defense
Police bullet lodged in gunman's weapon

By HECTOR CASTRO
P-I REPORTER

A highly improbable shot left an officer's bullet in the cylinder of a gunman's revolver, and police say it's a pretty clear sign that the officers who shot the man faced a deadly threat.

"Physically, it is impossible to conclude anything other than the fact the suspect was pointing directly at the officers," Deputy Chief Clark Kimerer said Wednesday, adding, "I've not seen anything quite like that in my 24 years."

Wednesday, the King County Medical Examiner's Office had yet to release the identity of the gunman and were still trying to notify his next of kin. Kimerer said the man turned 18 about a month ago.

The shooting was the latest in what has been a very bloody month for Seattle. Since March 25, there have been 10 gun-related deaths and at least 10 people injured.

Seven people died March 25 in the city's second-largest mass slaying. Two people were wounded.

On April 15, three men were injured at a nightclub shooting. The next evening, one man was wounded in a shooting in the Central District. On Saturday, one man died and two men were wounded in a shooting in Pioneer Square.

On Sunday, a man was shot and wounded as he slept in a Lake City home. Also Sunday, a North Seattle man shot and killed himself after shooting at passing cars, his neighbors' home and arriving police officers. One officer was wounded by bullet fragments.

In the Tuesday shooting, police again found themselves facing a life and death situation.

The shooting happened just after 8:15 p.m. near the corner of Broadway East and East John Street on Capitol Hill.


At a news conference at police headquarters Wednesday, Kimerer said investigators learned that the gunman had had an argument with a female friend shortly before the shooting.

Afterward, Kimerer said, the young man walked down Broadway and got into a fight with another man. At some point, a gun he was carrying fell to the ground.

Kimerer said the gunman simply reholstered the weapon behind his back.

A merchant called 911, as did others.

Two East Precinct patrol officers arrived in less than two minutes, he said.

The two officers approached the young man near a bus stop. Though the man was suspected of being armed, the officers did not see a weapon, so at first they planned to restrain him.

When the man turned to face them, the officers ordered him to get on the ground and show his hands.

The warning, Kimerer said, was heard by several witnesses.

Instead of complying, "the suspect reached behind his back with both hands," he said.

Out came a revolver, police officers said.

The officers ordered the man to drop the gun. Instead, police said, he squared up against them. "The officers returned fire in response to that deadly threat," Kimerer said.

Both officers, armed with Glock .40 caliber semi-automatic handguns, fired. One fired four shots; the second, three shots.

One of those bullets ended up in the gunman's gun -- jammed into the cylinder of his revolver. The department released photos Wednesday showing the cracked brass of a bullet shoved out of the rear of one chamber.

Fire medics arrived but were unable to revive the man.

Investigators have learned from at least one witness that the man had said earlier in the evening that he would draw his weapon if confronted by police. Police had said earlier that he was recently released from a substance abuse treatment center, but Wednesday Kimerer said he could not confirm that.

Seattle police officers are dealing more and more with people experiencing mental health crises. Partly in response to this, all officers now routinely attend an eight-hour seminar on crisis intervention.

Statistics the department maintains on incidents of Taser use bear out that patrol officers are seeing many cases of subjects with some type of impairment. In its most recent report, in January, the department noted that of the 800-plus incidents of Taser use in 2001, 72 percent of the subjects encountered were impaired by alcohol of drugs or were mentally ill.

Both officers involved in Tuesday's shooting have been placed on administrative leave.

Kimerer praised the officers for their courage in taking on an armed man, and for their tactical skill in preventing any other injuries. He also said officers were grateful for the amount of help provided by people at the scene.

Detectives will continue to investigate the background of the young man, but determining a motive may prove difficult. "We may never know exactly what happened," Kimerer said.

Cheezywan
04-27-2006, 04:25 PM
I wonder if it wreaked the gun? Had the man survived, I would have dreaded being his defence attorney.
I posted this once before, but it deserves telling again.
I was shooting my .22 rifle at the local range and fired one shot at a clean target at the 50 yard line. I went downrange to see where that first shot went. It was good for zero so I stuffed a ciggerette butt in the hole to mark it. I then fired another careful shot at the same aiming point and could not see any difference on the target through the scope. Close inspection reveiled that I had "punched out" the filter and left the paper tube in the target.
Cheezywan

Ernest
04-27-2006, 10:39 PM
It is known as instinctive shooting, bullet goes where you are consentrating on some one had focus on the revolver. I wonder how many of the seven shots fired hit the BG

pistolpete
04-28-2006, 09:28 AM
This happened to one of my co-workers on the tactical team. They were running a warrant and my friend was the #1 man in the door and armed with a shotgun. As he entered a room, the bad guy pulls up on him with a revolver and they both shoot at each other at almost the same time. Several of his backup were right behind him and witnessed the bad guy shoot at him. Crime scene comes out and see an empty cartridge in the bad guys gun but can't find where the bullet went and now everybody is suspecting a cover up. Medical examiner calls later in the day and solves the mystery. The BG was shot with his own bullet! He shot at the officer, his bullet went into the barrell of shotgun just as the shot string was coming at him. The shot string picks up the bullet and takes it along into the BG's chest where it lodged along with the buckshot. What is the odds of that? It was a tough 8 hrs for my friend until that ME finally solved the mystery.

Kansas
04-28-2006, 09:56 AM
I wonder if it wreaked the gun? Cheezywan

One of those bullets ended up in the gunman's gun -- jammed into the cylinder of his revolver. The department released photos Wednesday showing the cracked brass of a bullet shoved out of the rear of one chamber.

I think the gun would be seriously compromised at least. I would not want to fire it!