I had a bad experience of a crimp not holding a S&W 625-9 Mountain Gun 4" Barrel with a moderate Velocity load, 10.5 Gns HS-6 Powder under a 250 GR LRNFP Bullet, Range brass and Winchester LP Primers, the load was seated to a COL of 1.595. Published Velocity of 946 FPS with a Published Pressure of 13,300. The Cases were not trimmed to any length, which admittedly is part of the problem. I use a Dillon Square Deal B Auto Progressive Press each station is independently adjustable. I talked to my Bullet Supplier and He Suggested that I resize with a 45 ACP die to reduce the case Dimension, where the bullet will be seated, there by increasing the tension on the Bullet, It sounded plausible so I tried it but with a hitch, I full length resized the cases with the normal 45 Colt Die then I partial resized with the 45 ACP die to a depth of 3/8 inch. Then I put the unprimed case in the Powder/Flair Station and proceeded as normal loading the lead RNFP Bullets and crimping the dummy rounds to check results.

NOTE: This press is not equipped with an expander Spindle.

Results case Dimension after resizing 45 Colt dies .470"
Case dimension after partial resizing 45 ACP Die.466"
Case Dimension after Seating Bullet.472"
Bullet Dia. before loading .452" after breakdown of dummy load .452" and showing good drag marks of case separation with kinetic bullet puller.
The crimp is a combination taper/Roll Crimp as this is the design of the crimp die, I did not use the 45 ACP Crimp die and it was an after thought to even try it.

The crimp on the rounds that did not hold was a ROLL CRIMP for clarification.

Prime Question: Your feedback on this process, Your thoughts on the partial resize with the 45 ACP die, What if I used the 45 ACP Die to full length resize the case eliminating the first step and the extra step of partial resizing, and would I gain any extra holding power by using the 45 ACP Crimp die instead of the regular 45 Colt Crimp Die, Finally do you think this would affect the accuracy as the Base of the case and the loaded Diameter of the case mouth will be as a normal dimension load with only the middle of the case being undersize.

Do think your process will work, getting a tight grip on the length of the bullet is much more powerful a holding device than any amount of crimp.

But sizing more of the case than is needed in that .45acp die would just be over working the brass, would expect early case failures. Would be over working sections near the head that would fail with a radial crack rather than a longitudinal split. Danger would come from a seperation after a number or reloads, probably not from the small pressure rise of a smaller inital combustion chamber.

Think you are better off making that .45acp neck-size a seperate step.

Can consider different .45colt dies, but suspect that differnt brands of brass might cure some of the problem.

Can consider different .45colt dies, but suspect that differnt brands of brass might cure some of the problem.

I don't think switching brands of dies will help him because he mentioned his press is a Dillon Square Deal B, which uses proprietary Dillon dies (don't even work in their full size presses) and I don't think any other brands make dies that will work. I could be wrong about that, but I've never seen any other brand of dies advertised as working with the Square Deal B.

Do think your process will work, getting a tight grip on the length of the bullet is much more powerful a holding device than any amount of crimp.

But sizing more of the case than is needed in that .45acp die would just be over working the brass, would expect early case failures. Would be over working sections near the head that would fail with a radial crack rather than a longitudinal split. Danger would come from a seperation after a number or reloads, probably not from the small pressure rise of a smaller inital combustion chamber.

Think you are better off making that .45acp neck-size a seperate step.

Can consider different .45colt dies, but suspect that differnt brands of brass might cure some of the problem.
I posted this same information on another Forum and was told by one of the Senior members that he had been doing exactlt what I am thinking of doing for some time with no real ill effects onthe brass, I am not saying that I would ignore good advice or disreguard good load pratice but I do not have the ability to use the 7/8 - 14 dies at this point and being on a fixed income trying to save a few bucks here, WITH OUT GETTING STUPID. Thanks for your input it is well taken.

You might look at my other post on this Forum in regard to my Components I propose to use.

I don't think switching brands of dies will help him because he mentioned his press is a Dillon Square Deal B, which uses proprietary Dillon dies (don't even work in their full size presses) and I don't think any other brands make dies that will work. I could be wrong about that, but I've never seen any other brand of dies advertised as working with the Square Deal B.
Software Janitor , you are absolutely correct with regard to the Dillon Square Deal Press. I have to say that the press is an exellent press and will load to the best of my knowledge all the loads it list for the press with no problem, and the one thing that baffels me is that a buddy of mine is loading the 454 Casull in the Square Deal B with no problems, but then his gun is a lot heavier than mine(S&W X Frame .460 Mag) so the recoil with 45 Colt loads out of that weapon is sort of like a .22 Cal. (nothing felt).

Software Janitor , you are absolutely correct with regard to the Dillon Square Deal Press. I have to say that the press is an exellent press and will load to the best of my knowledge all the loads it list for the press with no problem, and the one thing that baffels me is that a buddy of mine is loading the 454 Casull in the Square Deal B with no problems, but then his gun is a lot heavier than mine(S&W X Frame .460 Mag) so the recoil with 45 Colt loads out of that weapon is sort of like a .22 Cal. (nothing felt).

I think I already replied on another forum...

It might be worth it to call Dillon and see what they suggest. Blue press fans swear up and down they have the best customer service and waranty out there and since you already paid for it, you might as well use it.

It sounds to me like it may be as simple as an adjustment problem, like you aren't getting a firm enough roll crimp. The other possibility is you might want to try different bullets with a deeper canelure groove to make sure the roll crimp has something to bite into easily. I like Oregon Trail Laser-Cast 250gr RNFP, but I've also gotten good results from Meister bullets of a similar design.

FWIW, I am most loading "cowboy" loads with Trail Boss, so I don't expect to have troubles with crimps failing to hold.

I think I already replied on another forum...

It might be worth it to call Dillon and see what they suggest. Blue press fans swear up and down they have the best customer service and waranty out there and since you already paid for it, you might as well use it.

It sounds to me like it may be as simple as an adjustment problem, like you aren't getting a firm enough roll crimp. The other possibility is you might want to try different bullets with a deeper canelure groove to make sure the roll crimp has something to bite into easily. I like Oregon Trail Laser-Cast 250gr RNFP, but I've also gotten good results from Meister bullets of a similar design.

FWIW, I am most loading "cowboy" loads with Trail Boss, so I don't expect to have troubles with crimps failing to hold.

I will contact Dillon Monday and see what they say as they did already replace the Crimp Die for me.

Did you mike your bullets to see if their diameters might be undersized? Are you sure the seater die can't be adjusted to give you a good roll crimp? Seems a little odd that Dillon provides a taper/roll crimp with that seater die. My die maker only provides a roll crimp which is normal for revolver cartridges. Did you try using the .45 belling plug* with the smallest diameter to give you the tightest possible grip? Don't know how many times your range brass has been fired but it could be time to try some new cases. Could also try using PMC brass as their brass is very thick around the casemouth. I have been shooting .45 Colt with midrange loads since '98 and have never experienced a bullet jumping the crimp but don't doubt that it could happen. As a final recourse, load to midrange levels and work up from there until the problem reoccurs. That may be the best that you can do with that particular gun. Run this by Dillon's tech staff, I'm sure they can help. Seems the combination of lightweight guns with heavy loads are prone to doing this and yet your loads sound reasonable.

*NOT a "belling plug" it's an EXPANDER plug!

Did you mike your bullets to see if their diameters might be undersized? Are you sure the seater die can't be adjusted to give you a good roll crimp? Seems a little odd that Dillon provides a taper/roll crimp with that seater die. My die maker only provides a roll crimp which is normal for revolver cartridges. Did you try using the .45 belling plug with the smallest diameter to give you the tightest possible grip? Don't know how many times your range brass has been fired but it could be time to try some new cases. Could also try using PMC brass as their brass is very thick around the casemouth. I have been shooting .45 Colt with midrange loads since '98 and have never experienced a bullet jumping the crimp but don't doubt that it could happen. As a final recourse, load to midrange levels and work up from there until the problem reoccurs. That may be the best that you can do with that particular gun. Run this by Dillon's tech staff, I'm sure they can help. Seems the combination of lightweight guns with heavy loads are prone to doing this and yet your loads sound reasonable.

I don't know if you read the entire post or not ?

I don't think switching brands of dies will help him because he mentioned his press is a Dillon Square Deal B, which uses proprietary Dillon dies (don't even work in their full size presses) and I don't think any other brands make dies that will work. I could be wrong about that, but I've never seen any other brand of dies advertised as working with the Square Deal B.

Right...but would consider annealing a 45acp sizer and havng the rear tapered/reamed to .45colt dimetions, then rehardening. Isn't as difficult as it sounds, had a .250savage die set turned into .250Improved that way.

The sizing die wont make much difference unless it is oversize. Check the diameter of the expander plug. It may be too big. I have had problems with various dies over the years that the makers couldnt explain. Im not sure what the expander in the Square deal looks like but you can probably find a way to turn it down some which will give a tighter fit.

I don't know if you read the entire post or not ?When you solicite advice, you don't always get what you're looking for but you should realize that what you get is given with good intentions.

I use a Dillon Square Deal B Loading Press it does not use an expander die or for that matter any 7/8-14 dies of any kind, it is a drop in set-up that has individual adjustments on each of the 4 stations to achieve your desired settings but the dies themselves just drop in. Strange I know but it does work very well for the vast majority of calibers it is designed to handle, and in fact worked very well for the light CAS Loads in 45 Colt, not untill I bumped the load up did a problem exist.

When you solicite advice, you don't always get what you're looking for but you should realize that what you get is given with good intentions.
Understand that I did not mean to give you the impression that I did not appreciate the advice given as that is the fartherest thing from the truth, I do appreciate the input of each and every one who offers it,
You started off your reply with asking if I had miked the diameter of my bullets and in my posting that was stated that I did so that is why I asked if you had read the post not to imply that I did not accept your input as I did and do, If my reply seemed short or offensive I appoligize as that was not my intention, maybe I should have been more clear with my response.

If I didn't want peoples advice and opinions I would never have posted on the site to begin with, I have a devout belief that there is only one stupid Question and that is the one that was not asked, and if you don't want the answer don't ask the question.
nuf said.

My bad...just assumed a standard .45acp expander was tried in the .45colt die and it failed to do the trick. That's the normal "cure" for too loose a bullet fit but have had it fail to work when the sizing die was a bit too generous (thanks Ironhead).

You started off your reply with asking if I had miked the diameter of my bullets and in my posting that was stated that I did so that is why I asked if you had read the post not to imply that I did not accept your input as I did and do, nuf said. Understand now. Only mentioned miking the bullets since you purchased yours from a supplier. Believe you may be getting a mixture of different batches of bullets which may or may not have slight variations in diameter so I wanted to touch on that. I cast my own and find this can come up with different batches due to variations in my alloy composition causing different amounts of shrinkage. Some of my bullets have slight lube leakage when I size them so I know those are not quite up to size. Just another variable to rule out.

Undertand now. Only mentioned miking the bullets since you purchased yours from a supplier. Believe you may be getting a mixture of different batches of bullets which may or may not have slight variations in diameter so I wanted to touch on that. I cast my own and find this can come up with different batches due to variations in my alloy composition causing different amounts of shrinkage. Some of my bullets have slight lube leakage when I size them so I know those are not quite up to size. Just another variable to rule out.

I appreciate that and when I first started buying these bullets that was my first question to him (Are your bullets consistant?) his reply was I absolutely garentee that they are. and so far I have not fornd more that .0005" variance it the Bullet Diameters, and I usually check about every 10th bullet, out of a box of 1000.

As a retired Toolmaker Quality if a prime prerequisite, I gave nothing but Quality for 43 Years and expect nothing less in return.

As per Copper Jacketed Bullets that is why I only Buy Hornady every one that I have checked is exactly .452" Diameter, Joyce Hornady and I share the same feelings about Quality, I've heard some negative feedback about Hornady Products and as I am here before you at this minute with GOD as my witness I HAVE NEVER FOUND A PROBLEM WITH ANY HORNADY PRODUCT. I shot thier .270 130GR SP custom ammo for 13 Years and never found a bad batch, and found that; that ammo would group tighter than any across the counter ammo on the market bar none, and in a wider varity of weapons. My first BABTISUM was with a remingtom Model 6 Pump out of the box and shooting Hornady ammo holding 1" groups at 200 Yds. WITH A PUMP GUN YES SIR I'LL BUY THAT.

We lost a good man in his passing and so far I can say that his Son Steve has carried on the Family Tradition with respect and Honor of his Father.

I just spoke to Dillon on the phone and they said they would send me a new Resizing Die but he also said that he didn't think that was going to cure the problem, I guess time will tell, however he did say that resizing with the 45 ACP die would be a posible cure but that he would not do it as it would be better to get a second press and a different crimp die.
I have been told by some different responders that increasing the crimp only and not the tension on the bullet is not the way to hold things in place.
He also recommended getting a .454" Diameter Bullet and try that, when I asked about leading in the CYL. he said that it would but that would be the price of the change, I don't like that idea, so I will not be using the .454" bullets, besides as I told him my throat Dia. is .452"

I just spoke to Dillon on the phone and they said they would send me a new Resizing Die but he also said that he didn't think that was going to cure the problem,Have this gut feeling that the Dillon guy is wrong and that a new resizing die WILL cure your problem especially if you can reload with some of that thick PMC brass. Let me know if I missed the target.

Have this gut feeling that the Dillon guy is wrong and that a new resizing die WILL cure your problem especially if you can reload with some of that thick PMC brass. Let me know if I missed the target.

Marshal Kane, I don't recall seeing any PMC brass around this area but I will look, What is the wall thickness on your PMC Brass? My wall thickness is right at .010" on the brass that I'm using now.

Results case Dimension after resizing 45 Colt dies .470"
Case dimension after partial resizing 45 ACP Die.466"
Case Dimension after Seating Bullet.472"
Bullet Dia. before loading .452" after breakdown of dummy load .452" Finally do you think this would affect the accuracy as the Base of the case and the loaded Diameter of the case mouth will be as a normal dimension load with only the middle of the case being undersize.My RCBS carbide sizer die resizes cases to .469" - .470". Case dimension at the casemouth after seating bullet is .474" (can be due to brand variations on casemouth wall thickness).

PMC casemouth wall thickness is .014" - .015". If your local dealer carries PMC, just purchase a box, fire the cartridges and reuse the brass. You only need enough to run a test anyway. You can look for a supply source later.

When you describe your brass as range brass, I interpret that to mean all brands whatever you find left at the range? Much of that range brass has been discarded after prolonged useage. Any range brass I pick up is checked for signs of "once fired only", ie: very clean, primer tight in the pocket, signs of bright brass showing in the interior of the case, no signs of resizing on the exterior, etc. If I look into the interior of a discarded case and it is well blackened, that is a case that won't be retrieved.

No accuracy problems with reloads having a reduced diameter in the middle (wasp shaped) and since the middle will be blown out again after firing, it is only a minor cosmetic thing.

Hope this helps and good luck.

[QUOTE=Marshal Kane]My RCBS carbide sizer die resizes cases to .469" - .470". Case dimension at the casemouth after seating bullet is .474" (can be due to brand variations on casemouth wall thickness).

PMC case mouth wall thickness is .014" - .015". If your local dealer carries PMC, just purchase a box, fire the cartridges and reuse the brass. You only need enough to run a test anyway. You can look for a supply source later.

When you describe your brass as range brass, I interpret that to mean all brands whatever you find left at the range? Much of that range brass has been discarded after prolonged useage. Any range brass I pick up is checked for signs of "once fired only", ie: very clean, primer tight in the pocket, signs of bright brass showing in the interior of the case, no signs of resizing on the exterior, etc. If I look into the interior of a discarded case and it is well blackened, that is a case that won't be retrieved.


That is very good information and does give me something to compare to, the PMC Brass it definately of a thicker wall thickness than what I'm using which is for the most part Winchester, but yes there is other brands in the mix, before I was using pretty light loads and there wasn't a problem, as the Vaquero was also a heavier weapon than the 625 S&W, Don't take long for the problem DRAGON TO REAR HIS UGLY HEAD does it.
The hotest load I used before the HS-6 Powder was 5.1 gns of Clays at 817 FPS, which the S&W liked pretty good, still haven't been able to crony the test loads yet so that is still in the works.
Dillon is sending a new sizing die so as soon as it arrives I will put it in and size some brass just to see if it makes a difference, sooner or later with the help you guys have given and my blind luck we will solve the thing. Thanks

I must appoligize to all of you who have offered help and advice on my problem in this respect I found out after being pointed to the error of my way that I DO IN FACT HAVE AN EXPANDER DIE IN MY LOADING PRESS, in fact it measures .4478" Diameter. the reason I didn't think I had one is that I expected it to resemble that of a Rifle Die, I didn't know.

Please accept my appoligy.

Humble Pie don't taste good but I baked it so I will eat it.

Cobra44,
don't sweat it. Everybody does it. Thank you for posting everything so everyone can learn from it. I was going to suggest something similar to what the Dillon tech seems to have said to you about a different crimp die in a separate press, like using the Lee Carbide Factory Crimp Die.
Yes, the PMC brass is good stuff. Same for Starline. I prefer both to Winchester.

Cobra44,
don't sweat it. Everybody does it. Thank you for posting everything so everyone can learn from it. I was going to suggest something similar to what the Dillon tech seems to have said to you about a different crimp die in a separate press, like using the Lee Carbide Factory Crimp Die.
Yes, the PMC brass is good stuff. Same for Starline. I prefer both to Winchester.

I got my replacement resizing die from dillon and tried it out a while ago and was disapointed that it made absolutely no difference. So I think I am back to the posible use of the 45 ACP Die to resize. I hate to spend the extra monet to buy a second press just to crimp a load.

I got my replacement resizing die from dillon and tried it out a while ago and was disapointed that it made absolutely no difference. So I think I am back to the posible use of the 45 ACP Die to resize. I hate to spend the extra monet to buy a second press just to crimp a load.
I was wondering , do you know what the wall thickness is on the Starline Brass? I was told that the PMC brass was about .014" thick, it is not redily available here locally but the Starline brass is.

Also what is the dimention of the brass case after resizing and agian after the bullet is seated, and I need to know the Diameter of the Bullet as well.

I can check tonight on Starline brass thickness. I would like to get some PMC for my 45 as it is fantastic in my .357s.
I gotta say though, Im just a newbie when it comes to the 45 Colt. Just got my first one last month. So far I have just been putting together different things I have learned from reloading for my .357s and rifles that seem to make sense. Lots of good answers here on the board from guys whose knowledge I respect. I'd say you came to the right place.

I was wondering , do you know what the wall thickness is on the Starline Brass?
Also what is the dimention of the brass case after resizing and agian after the bullet is seated, and I need to know the Diameter of the Bullet as well.O.K. Cobra, Starline brass miked at the casemouth is .013". Very consistent brass as I measured six cases and they all miked the same. My RCBS .45 Colt carbide sizer sizes Starline brass to .469" and it is .474" where the .452" 250 gr. cast RNFP .45 Colt bullet seats.

Both R-P and FC casemouths mike at .013" . R-P brass being a little softer.

BTW, what does your crimp look like? Does the casemouth fully enter the crimp groove and does it touch the top of the crimp groove but doesn't overlap it? Is it consistent all the way around the bullet or are there gaps? Can you look over the edge of the case and see into the bullet's crimp groove? Have you measured your cases and know that they are all fairly uniform? Will get varying crimps with uneven length cases. You can't adjust your sizer die any tighter but you can adjust your crimper. If you are confident of your crimp, just ignore my inquiry.

Am so disappointed that your new sizer die was not the cure. Suspected the original was oversized but was proved wrong. Think you should change brand of brass, get some new unfired brass, and try your load again.

I can check tonight on Starline brass thickness. I would like to get some PMC for my 45 as it is fantastic in my .357s.
I gotta say though, Im just a newbie when it comes to the 45 Colt. Just got my first one last month. So far I have just been putting together different things I have learned from reloading for my .357s and rifles that seem to make sense. Lots of good answers here on the board from guys whose knowledge I respect. I'd say you came to the right place.
I'm Interested in the Case Wall thickness, the case Dia. after resizing, the bullet Dia., and then the case Dia. after the bullet has been seated.

O.K. Cobra, Starline brass miked at the casemouth is .013". Very consistent brass as I measured six cases and they all miked the same. My RCBS .45 Colt carbide sizer sizes Starline brass to .469" and it is .474" where the .452" 250 gr. cast RNFP .45 Colt bullet seats.

Both R-P and FC casemouths mike at .013" . R-P brass being a little softer.

BTW, what does your crimp look like? Does the casemouth fully enter the crimp groove and does it touch the top of the crimp groove but doesn't overlap it? Is it consistent all the way around the bullet or are there gaps? Can you look over the edge of the case and see into the bullet's crimp groove? Have you measured your cases and know that they are all fairly uniform? Will get varying crimps with uneven length cases. You can't adjust your sizer die any tighter but you can adjust your crimper. If you are confident of your crimp, just ignore my inquiry.
I had the same experiance with micing the case mouth of brass thaty had been crimped, it reads aprox. .002" larger that it actually is , my reasoning is that a .474" O.D. Brass after seating a bullet of .452" O.D. leaves .011" wall thickness, asuming that the lead did not reduce it's Dia. any.

Also the .469" Dia. is but .001" smaller than my die does.

Am so disappointed that your new sizer die was not the cure. Suspected the original was oversized but was proved wrong. Think you should change brand of brass, get some new unfired brass, and try your load again.

I too was disapointed that the size die didn't fix the problem.

I too was disapointed that the size die didn't fix the problem.
I didn't answer the question about the crimp groove and brass alignment prior to crimping as I just tonight barrowed a Case Trimmer to size some old cases to do an experiment, I intend to trim some cases to an exact length, then resize them with the 45 ACP die, (Or Size then trim) then I plan to load them with the 5.1 Clays Load that I used before and shot a lot of then I am going to go to the range and shoot them for a feel and accuracy compairison, not the best way I know but until I can get a crony set up it will have to do, Will let you know how it turns out.

the Starline I measured was unfired, new brass, sized only in a carbide sizer. every piece I measured wall thickness at the mouth measured 0.013 inches.

The first stuff I reloaded was the WW cases and then only six of the Starline cases so far. Those are currently unloaded :D so I can't measure them loaded for you. I'm only loading the Sierra 300 grain JSP so far and the six I measured of those came right in on .451 inches.

With the WW cases and the same bullet and those first Starline cases and that bullet I loaded 20 grains of H110 and a CCI large pistol magnum primer for roughly 1040 fps out of my 4 5/8 inch Ruger Blackhawk, so it isn't a light load and not one jumped crimp. I did crimp with the Lee Factory Carbide Crimp Die though.

Hope what little is here helps.

the Starline I measured was unfired, new brass, sized only in a carbide sizer. every piece I measured wall thickness at the mouth measured 0.013 inches.

The first stuff I reloaded was the WW cases and then only six of the Starline cases so far. Those are currently unloaded :D so I can't measure them loaded for you. I'm only loading the Sierra 300 grain JSP so far and the six I measured of those came right in on .451 inches.

With the WW cases and the same bullet and those first Starline cases and that bullet I loaded 20 grains of H110 and a CCI large pistol magnum primer for roughly 1040 fps out of my 4 5/8 inch Ruger Blackhawk, so it isn't a light load and not one jumped crimp. I did crimp with the Lee Factory Carbide Crimp Die though.

Hope what little is here helps.

Didn't mean to impune your skills in measuring I just did the math, but as you stated if the brass was new and never been crimped there is no reason to get a faulty reading unless our caliper has a very wide tip or you went to deep into the case and got the area above the cuts to contact the case mouth, The .451 Diameter bullet would account for a bit of difference as I assumed a .452 Bullet.

1040 ain't no slouch load and your bullets didn't jump, thats good, how much does your Blackhawk weigh?

Its a factory plain jane NMBH 4 5/8 inch barrel, blued. Ruger says they weigh 36 ounces. I haven't weighed it so I can't verify that but it feels close.

Im happy with the load. Don't think I need to go faster. I like the job the Lee Carbide Factory Crimp Die does. I get a good crimp and the carbide sizer is just insurance that the rounds chamber because they arent over size/diameter. Its worth looking into.

Its a factory plain jane NMBH 4 5/8 inch barrel, blued. Ruger says they weigh 36 ounces. I haven't weighed it so I can't verify that but it feels close.

Im happy with the load. Don't think I need to go faster. I like the job the Lee Carbide Factory Crimp Die does. I get a good crimp and the carbide sizer is just insurance that the rounds chamber because they arent over size/diameter. Its worth looking into.
Thats about the same weight as my Vaquero (Old Model) the problem I have here is I guess I am going to have to bite the bullet and get a different loading press for the 45 Colt, it seems that the Dillon will not handel loads above 817 FPS. unless they get back to me after sending them two dummy loads a week ago for them to anyalize and tell me why the case tension and or crimp is not holding.

Thats about the same weight as my Vaquero (Old Model) the problem I have here is I guess I am going to have to bite the bullet and get a different loading press for the 45 Colt, it seems that the Dillon will not handel loads above 817 FPS. unless they get back to me after sending them two dummy loads a week ago for them to anyalize and tell me why the case tension and or crimp is not holding.

I heard back from Dillon and it was desided that the Standard 45 Colt Dies that are designed for .454 Dia. Bullets simply will not resize the brass down enough to give me sufficiant tension on the .452 Dia bullets.
We agreed that a viable solution would be to go ahead and resize with thr 45 ACP Die and to that end they sent me a 45 ACP resizing die to use with my regular other 45 Colt dies to reload the heavier loads with, now all I have to do is get my components together and start working up loads.

Great, sounds like you are back in business. You might still look into the Carbide Factory Crimp Die from Lee. I know it would take a separate press for your set up, but the results are well worth the extra step.