i was joking guys, while the 450 is a good gun,350 gr hornady ammo works an is fairly accurate, i have 2, 45-70s, the marlin ive loaded with everything from sierra 300gr, to hornady 500 grn, i,ve settled on 405 rem,my other one is a rolling block that shoots 500 grn hornady like a bat outta h...,ive 2 lyman molds an i,m trying to get it to shoot blackpowder,rite now i got a duplex load from a guy in texas that i can shoot all day with minimal cleaning, but it is illegal for most shoots now that some idiot blew himself up, anywho rite now 45-70 rules,cases are cheep, so am i,but i got to stop racooning myself,