When shooting certain refiles the forend of the gun often will jump out of my hand(45/70). How can I prevent this??? I know...it sounds like a stupid question but I had to ask.

Well, are you talking about when you're hunting, or off the bench? Off the bench, I don't hold onto the forend at all. I was taught to curl my arm around to the buttstock, under my armpit. Fire, and you're better off putting no pressure there whatsoever. You'll get a more accurate shot.

Depends on the gun you are shooting. Some guns, even off a bench will jump right out of the rest if you don't hold them down. Short barreled, high recoil guns will jump up. Long barreled mid to low recoil guns will kick back into your shoulder. This is off a bench rest. Don't know what your shooting and having trouble with.

Well, are you talking about when you're hunting, or off the bench? Off the bench, I don't hold onto the forend at all. I was taught to curl my arm around to the buttstock, under my armpit. Fire, and you're better off putting no pressure there whatsoever. You'll get a more accurate shot.

I use that technique with small bore rifleswith no problem but when using large bore rifles like the45-70 government I hesitate to do that.....yes I am shooting from the bench. I just feel like I should have more control of my gun if ya know what I nean. Seems I can grip it with an iron hand and the forend will still just jump out of my hand. Ughhhh!. I just find it uncomforatable.

You are not going to have that much control over a gun with that recoil from a bench. You will have to just hold on as tight as you can, and do your best to hold on. Its totally different than shooting off hand.

From a bench, if you try to hold a rifle as tight as you can, your accuracy will go out the window because you'll never hold it with the same tension twice in a row. My .223 doesn't jump, but my .30-06 sure does, because it's a full pound lighter than the .223 and more than twice the powder. Unless you allow your body to roll (the way you do when shooting offhand), the physics of it dictate that the muzzle will jump to a greater or lesser degree depending on the caliber and weight of the rifle. Even "springer" type airguns have to be held lightly because the rifle jumps around a bit while all the inner workings do what they do; trying to hold it tight screws up your accuracy.

I havea 350 rem mag, when sho with out aa scope it weighed 6lb 13 oz. I shoot hand loaded 250 gr Speer hot cor bullets @about 2500FPS. Put it mildly the **** thing kicks. Muzzle would rise about 18" or so (offhand). I put a 3-9x40 scope on it and a limbsaber pad, now fully loaded it is 8lb 1oz. The kick is like my 06 but mizzle still rizes but settles back down real easy. Off the bench I hold the fore stock and place a sand bag under (between the stock and the bench) the buttstock, just relax at the waist and it is not that bad, hit the bench and shoot alot and just have fun it will be natural and easy.

Need to get you a "Bob" sled for shooting off the bench. This one weighs in at #45. I "copied" it off faucettb's and added a couple tricks of my own. The Caldwell lead sled is about as close as I've seen commercially.

One of these doesn't stop the forearm from jumping but it reduces felt recoil a bunch.


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This is what recoil junky is talking about. It takes the hurt out of high recoiling rifles and makes them pleasent to shoot off a bench rest. Mine comes in at around 65 pounds and I put another 20 pounds of lead shot on it. This makes your rifle heavier and thus cuts recoil. My 8mm Rem mag feels like shooting a 223.

Most folks never notice recoil when shooting at game, but getting benchrest accuracy off a high recoiling gun at the range can be really hard if your the least sensitive to recoil.

The strap in the buttstockholder goes between the butt of the rifle and your shoulder. This makes the rifle holder wieght part of the recoiling mass.

The other alternative to keeping hard kicking guns muzzles down is to have them magna-ported. The ports on the end of the barrel direct muzzle gasses up and force the end of the barrel down.

When shooting certain refiles the forend of the gun often will jump out of my hand(45/70). How can I prevent this??? I know...it sounds like a stupid question but I had to ask.
I wouldn't call this a stupid question. I've tried a number of different techniqes myself in dealing with this problem. Another problem you run into when sighting in a rifle, or working up a load for one, is that the point of impact isn't always the same when shooting from a rest of some type, and shooting off hand, because the way it's held exerts pressure on the barrel in different ways. The way you hold a rifle, or the way it's supported, can make a difference in the point of impact, particularly at longer ranges.

When shooting from a bench, sometimes I use Caldwell shooting bags to support a rifle; other times, I use a Benchmaster rest. The Benchmaster rest has a pocket that supports and holds the butt of the rifle. It looks something like the set up on Bob's shooting rest.

For light recoiling rifles, like a .223, .22-250, or .243, etc., I've had pretty good luck simply using the bags, and not holding or touching the forearm. For heavier recoiling rifles, like a magnum, .45/70, .405, etc., I've found that I can shoot better if I hold on to forearm in some way. This is particularly true when using the Benchmaster rest, because some rifles tend to jump a lot more than others, throwing shots.

One of the worst "jumping" rifles I have is a Browning A-Bolt Stainless Stalker in 270 WSM, when shot from the Benchmaster rest. This rifle is relatively light, and will almost jump off of the rest if I don't hold the forearm to the front support of the rest in some way. I've found that if I put my off hand on the front support, and hold the forearm between my thumb and index finger, I can keep the rifle from jumping, and shoot some pretty consistent groups with it.

I usually try to keep the rifle from moving, but not to pull down on it, or to push it to one side or the other. I don't try to hold it any tighter than necessary. I also try to think how I will be using the particular rifle from a field position, and hold it in a similar way if possible. This will vary somewhat if the rifle has a bipod attached or not, or whether it will be shot from a rest, or if it will be mostly shot off hand, but whatever I do, I try to do the same thing each time I shoot with that rifle. Consistency seems to be the key.

After I get a rifle sighted in, I usually try shooting without the bags or rest, to see if anything has changed. If the rifle will be shot primarily off hand, I usually fine tune the sight adjustments for that type of shooting. I don't claim to be a good bench rest shooter, but this technique works well for me.

A friend of mine, who has shot from a rest a lot, usually shoots with his off hand on top of the scope. He doesn't put much downward pressure on the rifle, but he keeps them from jumping that way. I know this wouldn't work with iron sights, but it works well for him with a heavier recoiling scoped rifle.

If shooting without touching the forearm of your rifle doesn't work for you, try some of these other techniques. Good luck.

Not a bad question at all. I have shot my 45-70 with one hand many times with a 405 grain bullet. In that 1895 marlin, YOU WILL PAY for doing that though with the peep sights i put on it you can print 1 inch groups if, you are willing to take the punch, and it is quite a long slow punch, much different from my rem mag or even my 375 magnum. The gun is just so light!!! Shot a deer with it last year though with a barnes 350 grain x and it never knew what hit it. Funny how you never feel the recoil in the field. I have a lead sled for shooting my large caliber rifles now and it still moves the sled and 75# of lead shot back with every shot. Your other alternative is graco mercury reducers...it would take two at $47 each to remove a sufficient amout of recoil. That would make it tolerable at least...good luck and just make sure you hit the target, soreness will go away, but misses haunt you forever....ha!!!

Trade that 45/70 for a .243, like I did :p ! Then, I bought a .223!! :D

When shooting certain refiles the forend of the gun often will jump out of my hand(45/70). How can I prevent this??? I know...it sounds like a stupid question but I had to ask.

I developed a strong grip many years ago lifting iron but in all honesty, I don't like shooting off a bench. I shoot my rifles either standing or sitting like I was taught to do in the military years ago. My big bore rifles have me leaning forward putting more weight over my front leg, which is somewhat bent, this enables me to rock back with the push of recoil.

I have seen those so called "sleds" used for bench shooting or sighting in your rifle. I am in the process of getting one for my wife to use. Not a bad idea at all!

We rarely notice recoil that much when shooting at an animal.
Shooting from a bench is a different story. I'd start by putting a Pacymyer Decelerator Pad on the stocks butt. Since most rifle range tops are concrete today a towel under the elbow of your shooting arm would be helful to cut down on abrasions. A Past Recoil Shield will take most of the bite out of the kick. Don't pay attention to the noise. Noise doesn't bite. It's helpful to know that with a rifle snugly in your shoulder (not a death grip) your upper body will go back the same amount as the rifles recoil. Best wishes.

Cal - Montreal

Trade that 45/70 for a .243, like I did :p ! Then, I bought a .223!! :D


:D I am thinking about it but I just shot some of my handloads that I made for my son(he hates recoil) and the gun was very comfortable to shoot and pretty accurate.I stillmay get a .243.....or maybe an 8mm .......LOL

We rarely notice recoil that much when shooting at an animal.
Cal - Montreal


No crap! I shot a deer with my 12 guage Remington 870 using buckshot and a fullchoke. Off the bench this is real evil......the first time I tried this off the bench the gun scope bit me in the forehead....I got a nice scar from that.But when I shot the deer off hand...I did't even notice the recoil.