Would moly coating then waxing cast bullets replace lube or give any other advantages?
Most shooters have given up on moly for jacketed bullets.
I use liquid Altox now with good results. A search on moly came up with a thread about using moly in Altox.
Any experances?

Would moly coating then waxing cast bullets replace lube or give any other advantages? Any experances?
My shooting pard bought the Midway moly coating outfit complete with extra tumbling bowl. Tried it a few times on cast bullets before giving up. My shooting pard is not one to waste money so I know that he must have really tried to make this work. Hope anyone with the same outfit has better success.

If cast bullets required lube only for lubrication we would all be using some high tech grease. Bullet lube is only partially needed for actual lubrication needs. It the bore sealing properties that are most important. Lead bullets don't spring back from bore constrictions and imperfections like jacketed bullets do. Good lube provides this seal. The lack of a seal, and gas blow by, are the primary cause of leading. This goes hand in hand with a proper bullet fit. Alloy comes last.

You could try Lyman Super Moly if you've got a luber-sizer. I've got a stick here, but I haven't tried it as my sizer still has Marshall's lube in it. Most reports of it are favourable.

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Jack

Jaydee1445 just my 2 cents but if you moly coat and then wax you have the same results as Lyman Super Moly which I have used with good results and you can do it in one step or you can use 50/50 mixture of bees wax and moly wheel bearing grease which is much cheaper yet and just as good as store bought.

Lyman Super Moly is a very good product. I used it for a long time before switching to Felix lube, which I now make myself and use exclusively. The only down side of Super Moly was that if it got on anything other than the boolit, it left a very hard to remove black mark. sundog

Moly use with jacketed bullets is still contraversial as the results are not overwelming.

I used moly in my benchrest gun, finally stopped as it was extra work with no real definable or visible benefit. Not to mention it is dirty.

Adding it to the lube could have some benefits, but what? Existing lubes work well, the velocity of cast stuff is usually moderate, and cast is easier on the barrel.

What problem are you tryin to solve using Moly? I suspect its an answer looking for a problem.

Now the new coatings for jacketed bullets offer some real advantages, but those are not cast bullet problems.

Moly use with jacketed bullets is still contraversial as the results are not overwelming.

I used moly in my benchrest gun, finally stopped as it was extra work with no real definable or visible benefit. Not to mention it is dirty.

Adding it to the lube could have some benefits, but what? Existing lubes work well, the velocity of cast stuff is usually moderate, and cast is easier on the barrel.

What problem are you tryin to solve using Moly? I suspect its an answer looking for a problem.

Now the new coatings for jacketed bullets offer some real advantages, but those are not cast bullet problems.


I've got to pretty much agree with Explorer on this subject. I've got and used the moly coat kit from Cabala's and I can't really see any benifit in accuracy or velocity.

I've used Lee's liquid alox for a lot of years with great results in 45, 44, 41 and 38/357 sizes in a variety of different revolvers. I don't see where adding the moly would add anything to either accuracy or cause any less leading, and it is messy.

In service rifle matches with my Garand's barrel in original condition (very hard to clean) I found moly allowed me to shoot beyond 30 or 40 rounds without having to stop and clean. It seems to work from the standpoint of extending how long you can shoot without cleaning, and in a match that is 80 rounds plus sighters and no cleaning allowed, that is a big help. I use the NECO process with the wax coating over the moly to make it less messy.

I subsequently firelapped the Garand, and that improved the cleaning so much that I don't even know whether it solved the problem moly was solving for me or not? I keep using moly in it out of habit, though I usually just buy the bullets already coated from Sierra.

Nick

In service rifle matches with my Garand's barrel in original condition (very hard to clean) I found moly allowed me to shoot beyond 30 or 40 rounds without having to stop and clean. It seems to work from the standpoint of extending how long you can shoot without cleaning, and in a match that is 80 rounds plus sighters and no cleaning allowed, that is a big help. I use the NECO process with the wax coating over the moly to make it less messy.

I subsequently firelapped the Garand, and that improved the cleaning so much that I don't even know whether it solved the problem moly was solving for me or not? I keep using moly in it out of habit, though I usually just buy the bullets already coated from Sierra.

Nick

That was one of the reasons I got Cabala's kit, but found that I wasn't shooting that many rounds either squirrel hunting or yote hunting.

With Cabala's kit you have t fill the tumble lube jar to the top. This takes a bunch of bullets so I did the 8mm bullets along with a load of 243 bullets. I've got enough to last for several years done.

What I did find out was to retain good groupings I had to moly treat a clean bore or it took around 25 rounds to settle back in to good groups. Got some moly bore prep and the gun groups good from the getgo after cleaning.

I use one of the Outers foul out's to clean the barrel. If I ws going to do it over I'd probably not go the moly route. I was looking for more velocity. You know the bigger and faster advertisement.

anyway it is messy, but those silver bullets are purty and it gives me something else to talk about at the range. Even got a couple of young guys believing them silver bullets are magic and lead to fantastic velocities and super accuracy. Young guys sometimes will believe anything. My hunting partner and I have gotten a good laugh once in a while over that.

. . . I was looking for more velocity. You know the bigger and faster advertisement. . .

The moly bullets seem to lower start pressure and will typically lose about 50 fps for a given powder charge because the powder doesn't burn as readily without that pressure. On the other hand, the pressure reduction lets you load enough higher to gain about that same amount over the original load performance. The odd thing is, if you treat a bore with a semi-permanent lubricant you can gain the 50 fps and do not get the start pressure reduction. I don't know why? It may be because the moly lubes the case neck, too, while the bore lube doesn't. That may be all there is to it.

If you are looking for a bore moly disulfide treatment that stays with the barrel, take a look at Sprinco Plate+ Silver (http://www.sprinco.com/). Semi-permanent.


Nck

The moly bullets seem to lower start pressure and will typically lose about 50 fps for a given powder charge because the powder doesn't burn as readily without that pressure. On the other hand, the pressure reduction lets you load enough higher to gain about that same amount over the original load performance. The odd thing is, if you treat a bore with a semi-permanent lubricant you can gain the 50 fps and do not get the start pressure reduction. I don't know why? It may be because the moly lubes the case neck, too, while the bore lube doesn't. That may be all there is to it.

If you are looking for a bore moly disulfide treatment that stays with the barrel, take a look at Sprinco Plate+ Silver (http://www.sprinco.com/). Semi-permanent.


Nck

Thanks Nick