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Juan Tedman
09-06-2001, 08:08 AM
Has anyone heard of this, or have any info about it?

Thanks Much
JuanTedman

Jack Monteith
09-06-2001, 11:07 AM
Hi, Juan:
  Would you be thinking of Frank C. Barnes' .458 X 2" American? It's a .458 Winchester cut back to 2". The original rifle was a Remington 722. There's considerable loading data in Cartridges of the World, 6th, 7th & 9th editions for sure. The top load is a 405 gr. Winchester bullet ahead of 51 gr. of IMR 4198 for 2100 fps.

Bye
Jack

Marshall Stanton
09-06-2001, 01:33 PM
Juan,

I played with one for quite a while in the early 80's.  Very impressive little cartridge and works nicely in short actions.  Built mine on a short Model 70 with a cheap E.R. Shaw barrel, but it shot very very well, and wasn't finicky about loads, shooting most anything you fed it better than I could see the reciever sights it wore.

I even did a lot of experimenting with paper-patched .45LC bullets in this little monster.  What fun!  Time consuming, but the results were gratifying.

I kick myself, because when I let that gun go in a trade, the fellow whom I traded it to wanted all my loading data for the gun... like a dummy I gave it all to him without copying it!  Later lost touch with the chap, and haven't any idea what ever happened to the data or the gun!

A fun toy, but nothing over our new Guide Guns either for portability nor power.  Don't think I'd do the project over again with the great .45-70's we have available today!

Just a quick look back!  

God Bless,

Marshall

Juan Tedman
09-07-2001, 07:48 AM
Is the 458 brass rimless or semi rimmed?

How does the Barnes 458 compare to the 450 Marlin?
Pressure?

Thanks Much!
JuanTedman

RugerNo3
09-07-2001, 07:15 PM
The 458x2 American is essentially a458Win mag shortened to 2" and inside reamed to seat the 458 cal bullets. with the introduction  of the 450Marlin, chamber a bolt gun for it and have a factory round. The bolt action is its ideal  situation for a warmly loaded 450. Winchester offers the 450Marlin in a custom M70 for 񘜼+/-.