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xpert_hunter
09-13-2006, 06:52 PM
Just got my new Marlin XLR stainless in 444 caliber. Really nice gun. My problem seems to be finding silver (preferred) base mounts for the gun. Leupold gave me a model number and I ordered it from MidwayUSA and it doesn't fit. They say that's the one but I don't think they realize these guns are new. The package says for the 1895/336 but when I questioned them they said it will fit. Well it doesnt. The base extends about an inch over the barrel. Anyone have the new XLR and if so did you find a scope base mount that will fit it? Thanks
It's designed that way to give more options for mounting the scope. I assume you have two slots on the forward end of the mount for a total of three.
The Weaver 63B mount is shorter and only has two slots. I don't know if it comes in silver or not.
xpert_hunter
09-14-2006, 05:31 AM
yes the mount does have 2 holes in front and one in rear. Just doesnt look right with the mount hanging over the barrel. It would be better if the mount was concave to at least look presentable over the barrel. Guess I am going to have to keep looking.....thanks for the info...
Kart29
09-14-2006, 09:52 AM
It sticks out over the barrel on a 1895/336, too. I just took a hack saw and cut mine down. Then I deburred and polished the cut end.
Duckbill
09-14-2006, 10:50 AM
It's designed that way to give more options for mounting the scope. I assume you have two slots on the forward end of the mount for a total of three.
The Weaver 63B mount is shorter and only has two slots. I don't know if it comes in silver or not.
The 63B does come in silver.
billt
09-14-2006, 05:05 PM
What does the XLR achieve the other Marlins don't offer?? I've been curious about this. Bill T.
I suppose the stainless steel and laminated stock make it somewhat more weather proof. Other than that, it has a 24" barrel which will give a little more velocity than the shorter barrels.
The micro-groove versus ballard rifling is debated but I think the general consensus is neither one has an advantage.
The XLR series is the same 336 action that Marlin has made since 1948 and the same 1895 version of that action that came out in the early 70's, just in stainless, so things like scope mounts wouldn't have changed, it just has a laminated stock and 24" barrel. By the way, my new 444 XLR has missing and very shallow grooves on half the barrel. I am aware of three 444 XLR's like this now. I sent it back for a new barrel. Xpert hunter does your barrel have consistent groove depths?
That's interesting. The rifling in my 336XLR looks ok to me but I have never seen a rifle that fouls as bad as this thing does. Fire ten shots and it takes three days work to get it clean (maybe exaggerating a little but not much)
Dan 444
09-15-2006, 12:27 PM
KenK,
I responded to your PM....just wanted to make sure that you received it.
Dan
LET-CA
09-15-2006, 07:06 PM
Interesting thread. I've been eyeing a 444 XLR at my local shop debating on whether to spend the money. Does the barrel smooth out after fire-lapping and polishing? Love to hear more from current owners.
xpert_hunter
09-22-2006, 04:45 PM
The XLR series is the same 336 action that Marlin has made since 1948 and the same 1895 version of that action that came out in the early 70's, just in stainless, so things like scope mounts wouldn't have changed, it just has a laminated stock and 24" barrel. By the way, my new 444 XLR has missing and very shallow grooves on half the barrel. I am aware of three 444 XLR's like this now. I sent it back for a new barrel. Xpert hunter does your barrel have consistent groove depths?
You know I never checked that. I will and let you know. I just mounted a scope on it and cleaned the barrel as it was really dirty from the factory. When you say grooves do you mean some of the rifling is missing? Where did you notice this? Now you have me worried. You actualy sent the gun back and did you get it back yet?
Rowdy
09-22-2006, 06:40 PM
Lenny,
I currently have 530 rounds, both reloads and factory, thru my 444 XLR...
It dosen't copper foul, it doesn't lead foul.. The most i shot at one time was 60 rounds of 265gr EV. Clean-up was 10 patches with CR-10 and 2 patches with Ed's Red..Shooting BTB 290gr, 6 to 8 patches with ER..
This rifle hase not been firelapped, yet...
Danny
xpert, Yes I mean the rifling is missing. I have since gotten the gun back with a new barrel and it has even less rifling. I would say it has only about 50% rifling - I now have a 3 groove barrel instead of a 6 groove barrel - my original one I would describe as a 5 groove barrel. The grooves are missing on about 180 degrees of the barrel, like the broach was pulled through off center or was too small or worn in some asymmetrical way. I talked to Marshall about this and he has had several customers tell him the same thing about the 444XLR and has also had customers tell him that after their rifles were returned from Marlin they still had the same problem. All three guys at Marlin in the repair department I talked to including the mgr said they never heard to this problem. Pretty sad when a guy not in the firearms business knows of 3 and the guys at Marlin never heard of it. That is a breakdown of their system of both containing a defect from reaching the customer and subsequently identifying the root cause and implementing a permanent corrective action. To replace the barrel with another bad one is just plain dumb. I called Marlin and talked to 3 different guys about why they thought replacing the barrel with one that was even worse would be a logical thing to do. I never got a satifactory answer. I am unloading the gun to someone else who wants to play the game with Marlin and my days of buying from Marlin are over. I'll just stick to older ones from here on out.
I now know why so many guys (me included) got oversize barrels in their 38-55 Cowboys - apparently no one measures anything in a Marlin barrel or even bothers to look down one before it leaves the factory.
That is a strange situation with the rifling. I believe the rifling head is going to follow the bore of the rifle, and if one or more of the buttons or cutters or whatever was missing it would cause that groove to be missing. In other words, you would have less than the desired number of grooves but the ones you did have would still go round and round the barrel.
Does anybody know for a fact how Marlin produces their "Ballard" rifled barrels?
Unless it was some kind of hammer forging on a mandrel I can't figure out how you could get grooves on one side of the barrel and not the other if you tried. :confused:
xpert_hunter
09-24-2006, 08:21 AM
Now you have ne very disapointed! I had an older 336 in 30-30 and loved it. Sold it and regretted that so I bought the 444XLR thinking I was getting a quality Marlin rifle!
Just because SMK is having problems with his don't mean there is anything wrong with yours. If Rowdy says his is good then I believe it is good.
To be clear, the only real problem I have had with my 336XLR is that it seems to foul excessively and that is gettting better and better as I shoot it more. My accuracy problem is that I want it to shoot 1 inch groups with little or no load development.
Rowdy
09-24-2006, 10:40 AM
The rifling is cut with a broach on 30-30, 444, 45/70 and 450 XLR. The new 35 XLR is going to be MG as told to me.. About the only way i can see for a barrel to only have half its rifling, is if therewere missing teeth on the broach..I'm going to ask someone who will know..
JLarsson
09-24-2006, 12:37 PM
I am unloading the gun to someone else
SMK -
How much do you want for it? Thanks.
Ken K,
You are right in your assessment of the grooves. The ones that are missing are missing from breech to muzzle, the ones that are shallow are shallow from breech to muzzle. A slug of the barrel shows the groove diameter or what is there to measure is large, at .432. If it was large to start with you would think all 6 would be shallow, but they are not. If you would think of the barrel as a clock, the groove at 12 is normal depth, at at 2 it's a little shallow, at 4 it's almost gone, at 6 there is no groove whatsoever, at 8 it's real shallow and at 10 it's a little shallow. I am a mfg engineer and my company has done some broaching of parts in the past. I think the broach was worn asymmetrically, but I am not sure if all 6 are cut at one time with one broach. Jlarrson, I already have a buyer, sorry. The accuracy of this gun is really lousy, which I am attributing to the barrel condition. I am going to buy an old microgroove one like I used to have that really shot nice and I should have hung on to.
That makes sense...I was afraid I had misunderstood you. I hope you don't take too much of a beating selling it used.
I believe Marlin would make it right sooner or later but I can relate to not wanting to fool with it.
I also believe that Marlin will make the gun right, but I am impatient with these types of things and for me in this case, the money lost is worth the removal of the aggravation of writing more letters, making more phone calls - being transferred from one guy to another never getting a sensible answer, arranging shipping (it's a pain to get these shipped back because you have to sign for them and my wife and I work.) etc.
I also had several other problems with the gun that I fixed myself and I have reached my limit. First, you could not load the magazine because the loading gate hit the lever before it traveled far enough to let the shell in. I removed .030" from the back of the gate to get it to clear. Second, the angled relief cut on the bottom side of the extractor that lets the case head slide under the extractor and onto the bolt face was not present so the rim of the case just jammed into the sharp corner of the extractor, so I had to cut that. Third, the angled lead in into the chamber was cut with a dull end mill and left a burr, so that once I finally could chamber a round it shaved brass bad. I removed the barrel and polished the chamber lead in. Fourth, while pulling the barrel, I found that one of the tapped holes in the forend hanger was cross threaded due to a poor fit with the forearm and forearm cap and someone just jamming in the screw, which also had to be repaired. I do all of my own gunsmithing except for blueing so this was no big deal, but the rifling issue was. I asked Marlin if during the test fire do they load rounds from the magazine or single load them. They said they load them from the magazine, which would not have been possible with my rifle. Really, I am not making all of this up. I hated to type this, because it probably sounds ridiculous, but it's true. I almost forgot, when I got the gun back from Marlin with the second bad barrel, it was over rotated during installation so that the sights sit off to one side and the extractor cut just barely allows the extractor to enter it. I hope I'm done talking about this rifle and soon forget it.
Rowdy
09-24-2006, 06:36 PM
VTDW the link wont work cause it goes to a private form..
SMK, When i first saw your post i though BS, i am sorry to say there are two more 444 XLR's with the same problem that i'm aware of.. Thank You Sir for bringing this up..
Danny
Rowdy
09-24-2006, 07:18 PM
And i can see now why my barrel is so easy to clean, with no rifling between 12 and 3 oclock, a lot less friction...
Roy Weatherby use to cut a long throut on his rifles to gain velocity.. Maybe this goes along the same lines..
JLarsson
09-24-2006, 08:01 PM
Thought I'd post these over here in case anyone wanted to see them.
This is the good side.
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m129/pcs_srotc/DSCF3077.jpg
This is the bad side.
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m129/pcs_srotc/DSCF3076.jpg
JLarsson
xpert, Yes I mean the rifling is missing. I have since gotten the gun back with a new barrel and it has even less rifling. I would say it has only about 50% rifling - I now have a 3 groove barrel instead of a 6 groove barrel - my original one I would describe as a 5 groove barrel. The grooves are missing on about 180 degrees of the barrel, like the broach was pulled through off center or was too small or worn in some asymmetrical way. I talked to Marshall about this and he has had several customers tell him the same thing about the 444XLR and has also had customers tell him that after their rifles were returned from Marlin they still had the same problem. All three guys at Marlin in the repair department I talked to including the mgr said they never heard to this problem. Pretty sad when a guy not in the firearms business knows of 3 and the guys at Marlin never heard of it. That is a breakdown of their system of both containing a defect from reaching the customer and subsequently identifying the root cause and implementing a permanent corrective action. To replace the barrel with another bad one is just plain dumb. I called Marlin and talked to 3 different guys about why they thought replacing the barrel with one that was even worse would be a logical thing to do. I never got a satifactory answer. I am unloading the gun to someone else who wants to play the game with Marlin and my days of buying from Marlin are over. I'll just stick to older ones from here on out.
I now know why so many guys (me included) got oversize barrels in their 38-55 Cowboys - apparently no one measures anything in a Marlin barrel or even bothers to look down one before it leaves the factory.
there was/ is nothing wrong w/ the .38-55 rifles.
marlin was using that round before winchester took it and called it the .38-55 winchester, w/ a .375 dia.
some one please correct me if i'm wrong but, i think marlin originally used the .38-50 ballard or marlin&ballard. w/ a .379 groove dia. so w/ the cowboys they just cut their barrels to their proper groove dia. by the way w/ a good .379 cast bullet mine shoots very good, w/ the .377 barnes originals is shoots well under minute of whitetail @ 200 yds.
SMK, When i first saw your post i though BS, i am sorry to say there are two more 444 XLR's with the same problem that i'm aware of.. Thank You Sir for bringing this up..
Danny
Add a 336XLR to your list. I spent the last 45 minutes peering down my barrel with a q tip and magnifying glass. All six grooves are there but two of them are messed up. Looks like the cutters for those two grooves were about 90% broke off when it was rifled.
I wish I knew somebody with a bore scope, it's hard for me to see down a 30 caliber hole.
gw66,
I know the history of the 38-55 and what size the groove is supposed to be. When did you examine my rifle to determine that mine was O.K.? If my gun had a .379 groove and shot .379 cast I would have been thrilled.
Rowdy
09-25-2006, 10:25 AM
bummer KenK,
I am waiting to here back from a Marlin MFG Engineer who is involved with the XLR series and when i do i'll post it here, if he does not...
I'm trying to find someone with a borescope close by, not that it will do any good, i just want to see for myself..
Rowdy, I assume your rifle shot at least within reason?
I spent some more time with the magnifying glass in better light and slugged it. The rifling is for sure screwed up.
I'm wondering how well a fight with Marlin will go in my case. I suppose mine shoots within what they would call "in spec".
It's tainted for me though, I will give them a chance to fix it and then sell it if that doesn't come out like I want.
I don't even LIKE the XLRs, I was just willing to tolerate the look to get what I thought was a high performance 30-30.
Rowdy
09-25-2006, 05:46 PM
within reason, i think so..I'v shot several 3" 5 shot groups at 200yds and the ones at 100yds are about half that size with factory EV ammo..I have not had the time to work up handloads for it yet..
I'm still waiting to hear from Marlin, and not going to make any decisions until i do...
What did the slug look like Ken? was it void of rifling on one side?
Two adjacent grooves look to be no more than .001 deep.
Rowdy
09-27-2006, 02:51 PM
Ken,
The investigation at Marlin started 9/25 and is ongoing concerning the rifling. This is the first anyone in the engineering dept. has heard of a problem with the XLR's rifling.
Your rifling sounds like mine. i dont have the tools needed to measure it, but could it be that the land between the two grooves, it missing?
When I made my previous post I had typed out a long paragraph trying to explain how the lands were. When I went back and read it, it didn't even make sense to me so I deleted it.
The short version is the two grooves being very shallow has the effect of one land being pretty much missing and two lands only have one shoulder.
I really am in a quandry. To date I have run about 400 rounds through it. Except for sighting in it has all been five shot postal match targets. To date I have shot three five shot groups of 1 3/8" or slightly better. One with reloads and one each with two different factory loads. Most of the other groups have been 2-3" with a few real stinkers thrown in.
What I'm saying is that it don't shoot all that bad. I just feel like it will never live up to it's potential with this barrel.
I am also remiss in thanking SMK for catching the problem and bringing it to our attention. Its hard to see this condition and I probably would have always just figured this rifle was a mediocre shooter and never figured out exactly why.
xpert_hunter
10-01-2006, 10:23 AM
Well guys, you can add mine to the list as well. My barrel looks exactly like the pics that JLarssons posted! Have not shot it yet but will next week. I guess I will be satisfied with with a decent group out to 100 yards. If not I will look into my next course of action.
xpert, FWIW, mine likes the blue box Federal ammo pretty well. 150 grain slightly more so than the 170 grain. Still haven't found a handload that shoots as good.
xpert_hunter
10-01-2006, 03:00 PM
xpert, FWIW, mine likes the blue box Federal ammo pretty well. 150 grain slightly more so than the 170 grain. Still haven't found a handload that shoots as good.
150 , 170 grains? I thought the lightest factory load was 240 grain??
I'm sorry, mine is a 30-30.
Rowdy said on another thread that his 444XLR shot pretty good with "ev" ammo. Maybe the Hornady Leverevolution?
xpert_hunter
10-01-2006, 06:12 PM
I'm sorry, mine is a 30-30.
Rowdy said on another thread that his 444XLR shot pretty good with "ev" ammo. Maybe the Hornady Leverevolution?
OK thanks!
xpert_hunter
10-06-2006, 07:17 AM
bought 2 boxes of remington 240 grain for the new 444xlr and will try that at the range next week...i will post results...
gundownunder
10-07-2006, 05:41 PM
I think im getting confused here.
Kenk are you saying your 30-30 has the same problem as the 444s mentioned here?
If you are im gonna be really ticked off because ive been thinking they would make a great alternative to the standard 30-30 carbine.
Bob
Rowdy
10-08-2006, 08:20 AM
Well I'm sending my 444 XLR back to Marlin ( this is a one shot deal, make it right or it'll belong to someone else)for the following reasons:
1- replace the barrel
2-fix ejector, it leaves the spent case in the action
3-R&R parts that are causing brass to be shaved off during loading....
JLarsson
10-08-2006, 06:35 PM
Well I'm sending my 444 XLR back to Marlin ( this is a one shot deal, make it right or it'll belong to someone else)for the following reasons:
1- replace the barrel
2-fix ejector, it leaves the spent case in the action
3-R&R parts that are causing brass to be shaved off during loading....
Y'know, I'd do exactly the same thing, except I'm waiting to get a chance to really "wring it out" accuracy-wise. Still, I'm not fond of the barrel.
I'm VERY interested in what they tell you tomorrow when you call them, Rowdy. If you don't want to continue this conversation publicly, please PM me. Thanks.
JLarsson
Jim Rau
10-08-2006, 08:49 PM
I really like the looks of them, but there is no need what so ever for a 24 inch bbl!!!! :rolleyes: Straight wall cases and low capacity case which are chambered in these rifles will max out in right at 20 to 22 inchs. :confused:
As a matter of fact many will actuly start to loose velocity after 22 inchs!!! :eek:
Rowdy
10-09-2006, 03:35 PM
JLarsson,
Talked to Marlin, and i'm going to send it off tomorrow. They were not really interested in the problems i'm having with it, only that if i was unhappy with the rifle to please sent it back....
JLarsson
10-09-2006, 07:47 PM
JLarsson,
Talked to Marlin, and i'm going to send it off tomorrow. They were not really interested in the problems i'm having with it, only that if i was unhappy with the rifle to please sent it back....
Thanks for the info, Rowdy. Did they even want a letter with the gun describing the problem(s)?
I shot a couple decent groups with mine. Best was 5 shots measuring 1-3/8" wide by 2-1/8" tall. Not bad, but feeling like it could do better.
I'm really interested in what you end up with after they send it back to you. BTW, are they paying the shipping or is that coming out of your pocket?
Regards,
xpert_hunter
10-11-2006, 06:23 PM
JLarsson,
Talked to Marlin, and i'm going to send it off tomorrow. They were not really interested in the problems i'm having with it, only that if i was unhappy with the rifle to please sent it back....
Please let us know what happens! When you said Marlin told you to send it back what was their plan? To replace or refund $$$????
JLarsson
10-13-2006, 06:57 PM
If you've been following this thread and seen the pictures of the 444XLR barrel - that's my rifle. A couple of guys on another forum encouraged me to see how it would shoot even though the rifling looked like that. Seemed like a good idea to me.
So I ordered an XS Scout Scope base so I could put my Burris 2-7 Posi-lock scope on there and give it a try. I had shot it a bit with iron sights, but I don't have a lot of confidence in my ability with iron sights, so I figured mounting the scope would be a good way to see what it would really do.
The load, btw, is within the published range of charges using VV N120, a Hornady 265 gr. FP, and CCI 200 primer. Full-length sized with my Lee dies, and crimped with a Lee Factory Crimp die. Velocity is something over 2400 fps.
Honestly, at first the results were spotty. I had one decent group at 100, about 1-3/8" wide by 2-1/8" tall. That was encouraging, but I also had some other groups with some vertical stringing. I checked the screw that fastens the magazine tube to the barrel and it was slightly loose so I put some loctite on it and tightened it down.
Tried again yesterday and got similar results. I'd have three shots doing pretty well, and then it would start stringing vertically again.
Went out today and got the same results but I finally noticed that the scope was slipping! I had installed the scope using Burris Signature Zee rings (with the inserts) and I think I had forgotten to clean the scope and inside of the rings thoroughly. So I did that and remounted the scope, and I tightened the ring screws as much as I could.
Shot two shots, which were about 6" below point of aim and 2-1/2" left, but only a couple inches apart, so I adjusted the scope and shot four more times. I would have shot more, but I was losing light pretty quickly.
The below target shows those last four shots, with the three in the center being the last three. So the far left one was immediately after adjusting the scope. Even the Posi-lock seems to need to "settle in" a bit sometimes. Or it could have just been me or it could have been the gun. Ignore the smaller holes. I am trying to develop a reduced load for my wife's Model 7 in 7-08. Looks like that one needs some more development. Anyway...
This wasn't strictly benchrest shooting since I was also trying to sight-in for hunting, so the forearm was supported but the buttstock was not resting on the bench, it was just pulled tight into my shoulder.
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m129/pcs_srotc/444200yardtgt.jpg
The group is about 3" wide by about 1-1/4" high. Not bad, especially considering this was at 200 yards! I know it's not 10, five-shot groups, but I think this is probably pretty representative of what this rifle will do, and I think it's pretty good.
Sorry for the lengthy post, but I thought you-all deserved an update. If it will continue to shoot like this, I'll be completely content.
xpert_hunter
10-16-2006, 04:29 PM
Sounds good JLarson…..To tell you the truth, I had a bitter sweet day at the range Friday. The rifle shoots excellent in my opinion...cutting several shots at 100yds using Remington factory 240 grain loads....now the sad part. I think someone else mentioned it as well but the ejector does not load the next shot smoothly. To say smoothly is actually an under statement! When I pull on the lever, the spent shell ejects no problem but when I start to close the action to load the next, the round gets stuck. The only way to load this next round is to open the lever again then close. Some how it frees it so it is able to enter the chamber. Totally unsatisfactory in my mind! May as well just be a single shot gun!! Now I have to contact marlin to see what they are going to do! It is a shame as I really like the gun and wanted a laminate/stainless in .444. Too bad Browning doesn’t make this caliber cause I would have definitely gotten one!
Rowdy
10-16-2006, 06:53 PM
If you’re having trouble with your rifle, might as well just send it back to Marlin. That was the answer I got when I called them. This is a copy of the letter I sent with the rifle.
“I am returning this Marlin 444 XLR serial # 94xxxxxx to have the following problems corrected:
1 – Replace the barrel; the current barrel has missing or damaged rifling.
2 – Replace the ejector; opening the action after a shot is fired, the spent case is not ejected but left in the action most of the time.
3 – Repair the action; when shooting factory Hornady 265gr. Evolution ammo. The cartridges will stick about half way in the chamber and brass will be shaved off. The lever must be worked back and forth to finally get a round to chamber.”
Last time I checked its still in transit to Marlin riding in the Big Brown Truck, and is scheduled for delivery 10/18. And yes I had to pay shipping.
Danny
JLarsson
10-16-2006, 07:00 PM
Good advice, Danny. I'm pullin' for you on this one! I hope you get the best-shooting/feeding 444 on the planet when this is over. :D
JLarsson
10-16-2006, 07:02 PM
I really like the looks of them, but there is no need what so ever for a 24 inch bbl!!!! :rolleyes: Straight wall cases and low capacity case which are chambered in these rifles will max out in right at 20 to 22 inchs. :confused:
As a matter of fact many will actuly start to loose velocity after 22 inchs!!! :eek:
Hi Jim - Wouldn't this depend on the bullet/powder combination being used? I'm getting WELL over 2400 fps with the Hornady 265 gr. FP out of my 444XLR with VVN120, and I seriously doubt I'd gain velocity by cutting a couple inches off my barrel. Not that I'm going to try.... ;)
xpert_hunter
10-17-2006, 05:27 AM
Hi Jim - Wouldn't this depend on the bullet/powder combination being used? I'm getting WELL over 2400 fps with the Hornady 265 gr. FP out of my 444XLR with VVN120, and I seriously doubt I'd gain velocity by cutting a couple inches off my barrel. Not that I'm going to try.... ;)
JLarsson, did you ever have trouble with the ejector feedign the next round in your Marlin?
Rowdy
10-17-2006, 05:48 AM
JLarsson thanks but I’ll be satisfied just to have a rifle that functions correctly. ;)
I believe your target pretty well represents the way my XLR shoots. I’ve been able to shoot several 3” 200 yd. 5 shot groups with it using Hornady 265gr. Evolution.
That VV N120 load looks good. VTDW is working with it also, but it might be N130 and a 290gr. LFN BTB. Guess I’ll have to pick up a jug or two once my XLR gets back.
JLarsson
10-17-2006, 06:30 AM
JLarsson, did you ever have trouble with the ejector feedign the next round in your Marlin?
Nope. And the action was pretty smooth straight out of the box. If I had any other problems with it, I'd be doing what Rowdy is doing and hoping that it shoots as well after I got it back that it does now.
I figure I've got 5 years to make sure it works. ;)
xpert_hunter
10-18-2006, 09:22 AM
OK guys I just got off the phone with Marlin explaining the problem I have with loading/jamming of the next round. They are shipping me a box and a call tag all prepaid to send the gun back to them. I asked if this was a problem as I told them I know a few people having this same problem and they said 'NO" and that only on older guns and not the new XLR's. I wanted to tell them I think they were lying but since they are sending me the box and prepaid shipping label I kept my mouth shut!
JLarsson
10-18-2006, 08:44 PM
OK guys I just got off the phone with Marlin explaining the problem I have with loading/jamming of the next round. They are shipping me a box and a call tag all prepaid to send the gun back to them. I asked if this was a problem as I told them I know a few people having this same problem and they said 'NO" and that only on older guns and not the new XLR's. I wanted to tell them I think they were lying but since they are sending me the box and prepaid shipping label I kept my mouth shut!
Maybe they're still in the gap between problem awareness and problem acceptance. ;)
xpert_hunter
10-19-2006, 06:00 AM
Maybe they're still in the gap between problem awareness and problem acceptance. ;)
Yes exactly!
From my personal experience, Marlin seems to have a policy of not admitting or discussing problems at all. I had three different people at Marlin tell me in one day -"I have never heard of that before, just send it back". Then I say, "I already did, and you didn't fix it. What are you going to do different this time?" Response - " I have never heard of this problem before, just send it back".
xpert_hunter
10-22-2006, 06:15 PM
Well I will let you know if they corrected the problem when I get it back. At least they sent me 2 boxes and a pre-paid shipping label. It's a good start..Hope they will resolve my problem..
xpert_hunter
10-31-2006, 11:09 AM
OK I received my Marlin back. Very impressed about the quickness of the repair. I sent in the rifle Sat. the 21st and recived it yesterday. I didn't get a chance to fire it but I did load some rounds and chambered the gun. All shells ejected OK and the next round went it pretty smooth with no jams. The packing list said they replaced the bolt and extractor. I am satisfied!
Elliot
10-31-2006, 01:31 PM
Now we need a shooting report on it.. with targets :D
xpert_hunter
10-31-2006, 06:58 PM
Now we need a shooting report on it.. with targets :D
Well the rifle shot very nice before I sent it back. While sighting in last month I only chambered one round. It wasn't till I remembered someone on this forum stating the next round would jam, that's when I loaded 2 or 3 rounds just to see if mine would jam as well. And of course it did. Between bowhunting in NJ and NY I doubt I will have enough time to shoot it again as the regular rifle season is less then 3 week away. Will have to use my 30-06 this year...
JLarsson
10-31-2006, 09:36 PM
OK I received my Marlin back. Very impressed about the quickness of the repair. I sent in the rifle Sat. the 21st and recived it yesterday. I didn't get a chance to fire it but I did load some rounds and chambered the gun. All shells ejected OK and the next round went it pretty smooth with no jams. The packing list said they replaced the bolt and extractor. I am satisfied!
Wow! That WAS fast! If all they replaced was the bolt and the extractor, I wouldn't expect it to shoot any differently than it did when you sent it away. Will be interesting to find out.
xpert_hunter
11-01-2006, 07:17 AM
Wow! That WAS fast! If all they replaced was the bolt and the extractor, I wouldn't expect it to shoot any differently than it did when you sent it away. Will be interesting to find out.
Yes I was surprised how quick I got it back especially when they said it may take 30 days. Here are some pics of what happened to the brass when the gun would jam.
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j172/xpert_hunter/444_3.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j172/xpert_hunter/444_4.jpg
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