I was listening to a US radio where a rep of their NRA was discussing a current defense and education of their rights to bear arms and the registration cards bit etc ... any case a caller mentioned that if you make a gun and have no intention of selling it - it's for personal use only - and it has no serial number - you can keep it un-rego'd.

Now knowing we live in the land of Noddy - a world where our government seeks to keep the populace helpless and defenseless and has convinced the general voting public that we aren't grown up enough to derserve them - I was wondering if there were any loop holes ( not bloody likely but still I can dream can't I? ) in OZ regarding home made guns of any type and rego.

My huge bug bear is that our government, post Port Arthur, then sought to destroy our National Reserve of 100,000 SLR's. In the case we might ever need to defend ourselves from malevolent parties either internal or external to our khaki continent they expect us to call 000 should the dung hit the proverbial fan! Having dealt with the NSW police living in Sydneys inner city, I can assure you they are next to useless in any case where immediate defense of your personal safety, liberty or property is an issue - they are great however at responding to your situation after you've been stabbed, shot, raped or murdered! Where would we be without em eh?

What continues to nag at me is this, what did destroying the National Reserve of weapons have to do with domestic gun control in the first place? Call me an alarmist, but I make NO aplogy for seeing a clear agenda to disarm the nation - for what purpose I have no idea ... but I have plenty of theories! :mad:

Gee ... was that a rant, a tirade, a diatribe? If it was I feel better. Somebody tell me I can make my own guns and keep them from the gun grabbers like the Yanks? Don't tell me ... the Kiwis can but we can't!

yep you can if you want to go to jail, otherwise. No. Thats a certainty in WA and as we have national gun laws.Ha ha. It will probably be the same in other states. Can't have a barrel or an action that isn't licenced here and I think that pretty much as it is not a complete firearm then it can't be licenced anyway.
The only exception to the laws over here used to be the full bore clubs. Which back when I was in the trade were pretty much open slather. They used to have a membership card and could just add rifles as they wanted only .308 and .303 also barrels and actions were covered.
Now don't go and get too excited as you could only use them for approved club shoots on approved ranges pretty much the same as handguns.
Not sure if this anomally still exists post Port Arthur.
By the way your aren't even supposed to do any of your own repairs. Need to be done by a licenced gunsmith and getting a gunsmithing licence is next to impossible.
Cheers

I guess you could always just do it and never tell anybody eh Iwat ... I mean if you have the skills and you keep it in the shed ... who's to know? This is ofcourse purely hypothetical and totally unethical in a legal sense and nobody should do this quite obviously ... but y'know, you could. ;)

At least in this country (US), making a gun isn't a no-no (so long as it's for your personal use and not for sale...then it's a commercial venture and is strictly regulated). Few make complete guns, a barrel blank is just so much easier and cheaper to buy than boring and rifling a cylinder of steel.

Proably many home hobby lathes, mills, etc. that could be turned to the trade in Austrailia's garages and basements....and i'd suspect at least a few of them already have been.

By the way your aren't even supposed to do any of your own repairs. Need to be done by a licenced gunsmith and getting a gunsmithing licence is next to impossible.
Cheers
Where in the rules does it say you cant do your own work?or is this just a WA issue?

How about your gunsmiths? Can they still build custom rifles or are they religated to just being repairmen for existing rifles?

Don't dispair there are loads of folks here in the US that want to take us down the same road. Canada just went through a Nataional registration that seems to have cost a bundle and doesn't seem to be working at all.

Perhaps some of our Canadian members can update us on what finally shook out there.

I guess you could always just do it and never tell anybody eh Iwat ... I mean if you have the skills and you keep it in the shed ... who's to know? This is ofcourse purely hypothetical and totally unethical in a legal sense and nobody should do this quite obviously ... but y'know, you could. ;)

Yes you could. But if you get caught you'll lose all your other firearms as well.
Not much point if you have to keep it hidden away.
I don't know how it works on the east coast but over here you have to have a licence for a particular calibre to be able to buy ammunition for it. This extends to empty brass as well as projectiles.
Thats the legal side, but then if you have already gone illegal building it I spose the other niceties of the law wont worry you anyway. Fabricating a barrel from scratch might be a bit tricky unless you opt for smooth bore.
Of course the other option is to just buy an unlicenced firearm.


(ribbonstone
Proably many home hobby lathes, mills, etc. that could be turned to the trade in Austrailia's garages and basements....and i'd suspect at least a few of them already have been.)

No doubt about it and I personally know of some who have. Also know of a couple who got caught.
I just wouldn't want to risk my other guns.
Wharf'
It may just be a WA issue but I would check out your states firearms legislation in detail. Not just the personal licencing section. How do you get on over that side as far as cross bows are concerned? Overhere they are restricted.
faucettb,
Its fine for gunsmiths to build custom firearms.
I think the pressure will come on even more over your way after the tragic events of the last couple of weeks.

Cheers.

Well, it's all for yourown good, and isn't life much more peaceful now....at least that's what I'm told by the powers that be.

Ribbonstone ...

Yeah what with your Bill of rights being totally destroyed as we speak and the fact Bush just killed Habaes Corpus - your 2nd Ammendment is sinking like the Titanic! Nice also that Bush has decided he can declare ANYONE an enemy combatant and therefore a terrorist who can then be held indefinately and without trial by peers in detention camps forever! They say this doesn't effect U.S citizens and this is sneaky because when they declare you an enemy combatant they strip you of your U.S citizenship.

Yeehaww ... the ride of the Neo Cons - or should I say Nazis?

Guess my only hope is to become rich enough...at least in this country (and i suspect in every country) past a certain level of wealth (and perhaps with the right politcal contibutions) you become privialged enough that the rules no longer apply.

Not much chance of Bill Gates type wealth sudenly decending on me...eventaully will have a camp number tatooed to my arm and be marched off to the ovens.

Hi Bob:- The Canadian experience has been a disaster for everyone, shooter or not. We finally got rid of the Liberal government and a Conservative govt. took power with a minority of seats. There were enough Liberal members of parliament from rural areas that were tired of fighting this issue at every election to go in with the conservatives and dump the whole scheme. Then a maniac shot up a school and that was all she wrote for the forseeable future. If we can reelect the Cons with a majority govt. the legislation will be gone in a flash We just keep fighting.--Cariboo

Tikirocker -

Be careful of posting political views on this board.

Discussing firearms and their related regulations in different counties is fine - we all need as much insight as possible on one another's laws.

Keep your personal opinions to yourself or be prepared to be banned.

kdub - Moderator

Tikirocker -

Be careful of posting political views on this board.

Discussing firearms and their related regulations in different counties is fine - we all need as much insight as possible on one another's laws.

Keep your personal opinions to yourself or be prepared to be banned.

kdub - Moderator

Actually nothing I said was untrue and therefore nothing to do with MY politics but rather unassailable facts. The Bill of rights in the US has been overturned and Habaes Corpus has indeed just been sent out the airlock - it is what it is - politics aside. Why would my stating facts be a call for banning? Or is this just an extention of the destruction of freedom of speech
online which simply mirrors my observation of this reality in the US?

Tikirocker -

Your challenge has been accepted and you are hereby banned from posting on the board for a 30 day period.

hey guys,
im not really sure what is happening in the states at the moment.
kdub can you please fill me in on what tikirocker was talking bout. i just read the posts briefly and i havent heard anything on the news bout anything. whats happening with your 2nd amendment (is that the right to bear arms?)?
your help would be most appreciated and im sure the other aussies would be keen to find out what the latest goss from our US counterparts is.
i might go and see if i can rustle up some info from other posts in a few US sections.
cheers, and happy hunting boys.
lockie ;)

The 2nd Amendment is alive and well. This being an election year, all the anti's are laying low and have made no new proposals - the last election, they had their heads handed to them.

One of your members objected to the way the US government is handling the terrorist situation and the alleged terrorists in general. This is delving into political matters not gun or hunting related.

His comment comparing the US government to Nazis was greatly unappreciated.

When cautioned on such topics, he chose to become belligerent and questioned the non-politics framework of the board.

He has been banned from posting for a period of 30 days of the ban notification. If such attacks or postings continue when the ban expires, it will become permanent.

We, as moderators, try to give everyone enough slack to post on the board about guns and hunting activities so that a little leeway can be allowed. Calling our present administration Nazis is a step beyond.

Thanks to all for understanding our desire to keep the board pointed in the right direction.

Additional: I failed to answer your question on loss of gun rights as alluded to by the poster.

No, we haven't lost any rights. Conversely, states are tightening up on law enforcement agencies attempting to disarm the public, as was done in New Orleans following the Katrina floods there last year. The Federal Congress is considering a bill that would make such actions illegal, also.

Many states, mine included, have passed Hunter Harassment legislation that makes it illegal to bother hunters in the field while hunting. Some animal rights groups have actively followed hunters around banging on utinsels, honking air horns, vandalizing hunter's vehicles, etc.

We have actually gained in the gun rights issue since last year.

Politics is a touchy subject.I dont like discusing it much,gets way to heated.Some people are VERY passionate on their own veiws and can not see any other angles.But this is life,there will always be emotional people who have their say no matter who it insults.

Kdub,i didnt know you had greenies like ours over there.There was a roo cull done down here in canberra last year near the googong dam.The poor buggers were starving to death.The pro shooters went in,but the local news had squarked about it and the greenies were out in force.The greenies were going into the exclusion zone and picking up dead roos,mostly of small size and bringing them out for the cameras to see.Some of them even took some roos to the local govt offices.After the cull had been completed,the greenies had went off there nuts and wanted to erect a plaque in memory of the roos that were lost.Personaly i see these people with a healthy dislike.It would give me the ##### to have people follow me around banging pans,no just people following me would do it.like the old saying goes mate,whats the difference between a hunter and non hunter?the hunter doesnt care if you dont hunt.

fellas,
thanks for the info kdub.
yeah i understand politics can get a bit heated.
yeah not bothered by someone who DOESNT hunt personally. their loss or gain, whatever just leave me be when im chasing those bunnies please.
happy hunting boys.
lockie

Actually nothing I said was untrue and therefore nothing to do with MY politics but rather unassailable facts. The Bill of rights in the US has been overturned and Habaes Corpus has indeed just been sent out the airlock - it is what it is - politics aside. Why would my stating facts be a call for banning? Or is this just an extention of the destruction of freedom of speech
online which simply mirrors my observation of this reality in the US?


EXACTLY!!!!!!!!

kdub YOU ARE A TOOL

funny how you could have your say on the topic but you ban him for doing the same

no wonder this forum is about as active as dead pig

& YOU CAN BAN ME ASWELL CAUSE I WONT BE RETURNING

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!

kdub YOU ARE A TOOL

funny how you could have your say on the topic but you ban him for doing the same

no wonder this forum is about as active as dead pig

& YOU CAN BAN ME ASWELL CAUSE I WONT BE RETURNING


What the matter mate,missing AHN are you?

Consider it done, jonutarr.

What Australia doesn't need is a bunch of untrained @!^&heads running around with home made weapons 'defending' us. If you're fair dinkum about wanting to defend the place enlist in the ADF - regular or reserve.

Yeah ... ok ...

Thanks Tango but I'd prefer not to have tools like these serving with me I might have to rely on them one day.... Geez thats a scary thought!

Politics is a touchy subject.I dont like discusing it much,gets way to heated.Some people are VERY passionate on their own veiws and can not see any other angles.But this is life,there will always be emotional people who have their say no matter who it insults.

Kdub,i didnt know you had greenies like ours over there.There was a roo cull done down here in canberra last year near the googong dam.The poor buggers were starving to death.The pro shooters went in,but the local news had squarked about it and the greenies were out in force.The greenies were going into the exclusion zone and picking up dead roos,mostly of small size and bringing them out for the cameras to see.Some of them even took some roos to the local govt offices.After the cull had been completed,the greenies had went off there nuts and wanted to erect a plaque in memory of the roos that were lost.Personaly i see these people with a healthy dislike.It would give me the ##### to have people follow me around banging pans,no just people following me would do it.like the old saying goes mate,whats the difference between a hunter and non hunter?the hunter doesnt care if you dont hunt.


I was coming home from work one night & was dying of thirst so I pulled into a Road house to get a quick coffee to go ! There was a Bus pulled in & a Tree hugger came over to my Truck & demanded to know if I was responsible for shooting the 40odd Roos hanging on the racks ? I replied (with a most hurt tone ) That I had not shot them !!!!!! It happened to be my Job to travel along the road & pick up Road kills! This had the tree hugger baffled ! :D Needless to say it was grab the coffee & get out of Dodge real fast ;) The next night when I called in the first thing I was asked by the night staff at the road house was hows the road kill tonight ?????? :D

Dave

daveh,
roadkill collector eh?
god you're a funny one :p
happy hunting boys.
lockie

Sounds logical to me! :p

Evidently, the tree hugger thought it was perfectly alright for the animals to be killed by vehicles, but perish the thought of a hunter doing it humanely with a firearm!

We had a serious coyote problem up in northern Arizona a few years back whereas they were just laying down and waiting for a doe antelope to start birthing and would then amble over and eat the fawn as it was being born. The antelope herd was being devestated, so the Game & Fish department started hunting the coyotes from helicopters with shotguns to thin the coyotes out. A major paper in Phoenix got wind of the practice and wrote about it. The "Greenies" got up in arms and raised such a fuss the G&F had to cancel their program. The local sportsmen then decided to have a coyote shoot and sponsored a tournament for the most coyotes brought in. This too, hit the fan and caused such an uproar it was cancelled.

After that, the shoots just were advertised by word of mouth amongst the sportsmen. The coyote population was thinned down and the tree huggers really never were aware of the process. The antelope herd has regained enough to allow permit hunting once again.

fellas,
as well as respecting something someone else chooses to do, whether it is your cup of tea or not, the greenies need to understand one simple word 'sustainability'. ethics aside, almost anything can be hunted as lond as it is in the right numbers. when the yotes or the roos get out of hand (the roos which happens to be through our doing anyways) then it is up to us to thin them out. ive seen many animals wounded by vehicles and indeed i know that i would rather an ethical hunter take me with a bullet than have my abdomen squashed by a set of tyres and take a week to die. in the case of our roos, they were all gonna starve to death werent they due to sheer numbers and lack of food through overbreeding?
as a rule nature is cruel, hunters arent and il go toe to toe with any greeny that tries to convince me otherwise. :mad:
on the upside i got a fox last night with my cz22wmr. hit him in the chest at about 120m while wlaking around with a mate and a spotlight. god summer times. also got a hare and several bunnies.
catchya,
lockie