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MikeG
01-14-2007, 09:51 PM
Thought I'd address a few things that seem to come up from time to time.
Occasionally members get really bent out of shape over how the forum is run. This is understandable considering we have several thousand members, and we aren't going to agree on everything 100%. Actually it's pretty amazing that most members agree on the way things are run, the great majority of the time.
First, please understand that Marshall runs this forum out of his own pocket. Every dollar spent, is a dollar out of his pocket (and his family's, by extension).
Marshall would like the forum to be a credit to hunting / shooting sports, reloading, his family name, business, and his beliefs, not necessarily in that order. He's asked the moderators to help steer this down that particular path.
I'm glad to be associated with this forum and priviledged to help make decisions in running it. It's a volunteer position... I get paid the same either way .... (read that as nothing at all, if that's not clear).
A rather amusing tactic that comes up once in a while, is a new member being full of .... fire and brimstone, let's call it.... claiming that the moderators are infringing on freedom of speech, freedom of the press, or whatever. This is pretty amusing and generally the last gasp of some miscreant that's on their way out, anyway.
Should you feel such an argument is a valid defense.... please do the following:
1. Call the local newspaper or TV station.
2. Loudly proclaim your support for freedom of (whatever).
3. Next paragraph, demand that they print/air all of your personal opinions, on any topic you fancy, at your convenience, and at their expense.
4. When the laughter dies down.... let us know how long it took. Might as well keep track of these things. Maybe somebody's kid can make a science fair experiement, who knows....
Think most of you get the idea.
Not to toot our own horns.... but let me tell you, we clean up a LOT of spam and garbage. If it looks like it's not a difficult job .... we'll take that as a compliment in that you only see the cleaned-up stuff on the forum. And that's the way it should be.
The moderators don't claim to be right 100% of the time, but we generally keep the ship running on an even keel. We may lock things... and unlock them later; ban people, and un-ban them later.... and so on.... but the goal is to keep a decent place for everyone to enjoy. We usually discuss things among ourselves, out of sight of the rest of the members, and then act accordingly. It works surprisingly well, and most other on-line forums work in a similar manner, if they are moderated at all.
*If two or three of us think something is a bad idea, it probably is. *
If this strikes anyone as un-democratic, well, I have some bad news for you. None of us live in a democracy, anyway (it's a constitutional republic in the USA - look it up - can't speak for the rest of the world).
Moderators are human.... make mistakes... and should be held accountable. Please feel free, if you perceive a problem, to address this to Marshall directly. He will be glad to consider your issue. I will tell you right from the start, it's darn unusual for him to override anything we have done. But feel free to ask; none of us are perfect.
To those who disagree with this and feel the moderators are a bunch of ... whatever ..... please consider the following:
1. Nobody has every gotten kicked off the forum for being too polite.
2. Just because we lock a thread doesn't mean we disagree with it, or have a personal problem with YOU. It just means we feel it doesn't fit in with the purpose of the forum, or is headed for trouble. Try not to take it personally and we'll try to let bygones be bygones.
3. There are a bunch of forums / blogs / web sites / bars / riots / whatever, that are loosely moderated, if at all. If anarchy is your style.... there are better places to practice it. Please, by all means, check those places out, and if you like them better, that's OK with us.
4. No one is going to hold a grudge against you for starting your own web site / forum / blog / whatever. Walk a mile in our shoes before you pass judgement.... Moderate it for a while yourself ... it's an interesting study in human nature.
I do sincerely hope everyone here enjoys their time on the Beartooth Bullets Shooter's Forum. I have gotten to meet a number of forum participants in person and sure have enjoyed the frienship and things I have learned. (hint, Marshall, you need to come down to Texas and shoot pigs with us :D )
MikeG, you run a really nice, CIVIL, informative BB, and I thank you for that.
Indeed, there are many BB's on the internet (I, too, moderate at a couple) of all different styles- something for everyone.
You folks here do nice work. Just wanted you to know that I notice and appreciate that, and I'm sure many others do, too.
David J. Berend
01-15-2007, 12:56 AM
MikeG, you run a really nice, CIVIL, informative BB, and I thank you for that.
Indeed, there are many BB's on the internet (I, too, moderate at a couple) of all different styles- something for everyone.
You folks here do nice work. Just wanted you to know that I notice and appreciate that, and I'm sure many others do, too.
I would like to say that anytime I log on to this forum, either to ask a question or just read awhile I learn things. It's a win-win for me. I too would like to say thanks to all!
Dave
MikeG
01-15-2007, 05:37 AM
Appreciate it and I will accept that on behalf of Marshall and the other moderators. And let me say that the users here are a credit to what can be accomplished by people working together.
Seem to go through cycles - sorta like 7 year population swings on rabbits, but compressed. Couple of months of smooth sailing, then trouble from spammers and whatnot, then it eases up again. Maybe just random distribution....
Anyway, it would be utterly impossible to manage if 99% + of the user population weren't good decent people, and I've learned a lot myself. The user community deserves a lot of thanks too.
Make the occasional screw-up, myself, once in a while... :rolleyes: .... life goes on.
This is one of the best managed and administered places in the world. Would that the average group of any kind could be as civil and useful and enjoyable.
Kudos for the hard work and the good results, I really appreciate it.
Grizz
Mike is correct and my personal thanks for him airing the topic. It's hard at times to make that decision to either lock, delete or ban. Then, other times it is so blatant that the call is automatic.
All that's required to post on the board is civility, no obscene language, no topics that shouldn't be read by younger members or spouses, non-political topics, hunting, shooting, reloading or firearm related threads. Not really a whole lot of restrictions in that.
We don't want to suppress your thoughts or comments - that's how we all benefit. Just keep it clean, no flaming other members and try to be informative.
Thanks to the many that abide by these simple rules and help make the board a place folks enjoy coming to.
Rocky Raab
01-15-2007, 07:07 AM
Mike, as an Administrator on another (equally civil) shooting board, may I say you hit the nail on the head. Not just once: you sunk it flush.
unclenick
01-15-2007, 07:15 AM
. . . you sunk it flush.
. . . And without bruising the wood around it!
Ridgerunner
01-15-2007, 07:36 AM
When I found this forum a few years ago, I knew I had landed in a good place. After all, what part of "Be nice and enjoy" don't a rare minority of folks understand?
I do appreciate all moderators, and am certain beyond all doubt that our mods do their very best to apply rational and considerate principals in situations that require decision making.
This is just my oppurtunity to say thanks mods, we appreciate you.
Good shooting to all,
Ridgerunner
rimrock
01-15-2007, 07:47 AM
I do value this sight for the large number of unmet friends and deep expanse of knowledge. It is 1 of 3 that occupy 95% of my net usage. Even the sights advertised as special for this or special for that are not nearly as helpful or friendly. Appreciate the good work.
recoil junky
01-15-2007, 06:23 PM
All of the above goes for me too. I've tried to moderate myself after I almost started a riot with some responses to a certain 30-06 vs. 270 thread. (Sorry kdub.) Now I tend to write a whole bunch then go thru and delete 90% of it if it might ruffle someones feathers. (except if I'm trying to tease someone)
This IS the best site of it's kind on the web and my hat's off the the moderators for keeping it that way.
Like rimrock said' I've got a lot of unmet friends on this site and there's a ton of knowlege to be picked up here.
RJ
jb12string
01-15-2007, 06:46 PM
Well stated Mike and thanks for all you guys do.
Dan 444
01-16-2007, 07:34 AM
Many thanks to Marshall for providing this terrific site and the moderators for their great vigilance, knowledge and a job well done!
Dan
MikeG
01-16-2007, 01:49 PM
Note, I split the 444 / .45-70 trash talking into another thread in the Big Bore lever guns topic....
M1Garand
01-16-2007, 02:44 PM
I've tried to moderate myself after I almost started a riot with some responses to a certain 30-06 vs. 270 thread.
And here I thought you finally saw the light RJ....or were mellowing with age.. :D :D .
Anyway I agree and this is a great site to share stuff and learn. The moderators are doing a heck of a job.
Fletch
01-16-2007, 04:36 PM
This forum & BTB is my 'Home Page' - - -'nuff said!
P.S. I don't write a lot but I read a lot on this forum and have learned so very much from all who participate.
Keep up the great work.
Fletch
fornra
01-16-2007, 05:20 PM
I work in an all male fab shop and the language there gets quiet rank. I also tend to be very stubborn in my political views, and out spoken. I also feel people who don't enjoy picking and joshing with one another to be boaring. So what I'm trying to say is that I'm just me, with no intention to offend any one. So if and when I get out of hand, feel free to haul me in! But seriously guys you have my greatest respect, and when I make a mistake please do clean me up,thanks Glenn
BradS
01-26-2007, 03:19 PM
To all the moderators
A wise man told me long ago that the experts take something difficult and make it look easy as pie. I admire each of you for taking such a tough job and making it look easy. I never have to worry about my son or daughter checking out the jokes or other threads, knowing that they are in good hands. I appreciate the politness, even when I ask beginner questions that the moderators and others have responded to more than frequently.
Thanks for all the work you do to make this such a nice place to visit. If it were possible I would double your pay :D
Brad S
Hebrews 10:39
sonofmyfather
01-30-2007, 07:55 AM
Thanks to all who help with this forum. It is a realy clean, informative place.
Smitty357
02-01-2007, 08:37 AM
Good post Mike, I always hate to see the tail wagging the dog. You must be doing something right or the forum wouldnt be growing like it is. Thanks to everyone who has a part in making this happen, what a wealth of knowledge this forum produces daily. Thanks to Marshal for such a huge finacial consideration. Thanks to all the Moderators, keep up the good work.
MikeG,
My only complaint is that when I delivered that lead to you last year while passing thru The Great State of Texas is that I wasn't yet casting and could have pilfered a bit of it had I only known. ;)
Dave :cool:
MMichaelAK
02-02-2007, 02:49 PM
Mike, people being what they are, no one is going to be happy all of the time. And when you add those who make it their goal in life not to be happy or to make everyone else around them unhappy, well I'm sure you have that T-shirt.
Yes, there is some leg pulling and stuff that happens here and for the most part everyone handles it well for the medium it's in. We may not all agree but at least we've all managed to be civil most the time and you guys help out when sometimes we forget to behave like neighbors.
Thanks.
stretch0069
02-03-2007, 07:53 AM
I don't visit here near as much as I used to...or should, but being a mod on a couple other forums I know how tough it is. This is a very well run site and a credit to the shooting community.
Cheers! :)
Charshooter
02-08-2007, 05:46 PM
OK why can't I post my humor, says it has not enough space, even when I tried one line?
MikeG
02-08-2007, 06:17 PM
It does that sometimes. Try logging out and logging back in.
Charshooter
02-08-2007, 09:31 PM
Mike,
I tried that and I still get this:
Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 8388608 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 32 bytes) in /home/httpd/vhosts/shootersforum.com/httpdocs/includes/functions.htm on line 1057
when I try it shorter, it still does it, something must have clicked and turned off my new posts, replys still work
284 Win mag man
kennisondan
02-08-2007, 09:50 PM
impressed with the site and members... thanks to all
MikeG
02-09-2007, 06:53 AM
Mike,
I tried that and I still get this:
Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 8388608 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 32 bytes) in /home/httpd/vhosts/shootersforum.com/httpdocs/includes/functions.htm on line 1057
when I try it shorter, it still does it, something must have clicked and turned off my new posts, replys still work
284 Win mag man
No idea, sorry. It's happened to some of the rest of us, as well, including me.
Charshooter
02-09-2007, 12:53 PM
hum, it was funny, I mean the post would have cracked you up
MikeG
02-09-2007, 01:42 PM
Well try it again tomorrow.... it may start working again.
Charshooter
02-09-2007, 02:03 PM
Mike
I have the post. I had to change the title from my rifle battery to Hillary's rifle advice and cut it into two post pages.
I think the orginal post remained stuck in a file somewhere, tagged by the title and it might have been to long, then, however, I don't know what the heck I'm talking not knowing a thing about computers
Traquer
02-12-2007, 05:56 PM
My thanks to all who make this an informative, welcoming, and civil forum. I've looked a long time for a place such as this. I read 99.5% of the time I'm on ... but it seems right to mention my appreciation now. Moderators deserve cudos for everything - even for herding cats occasionally ;)
Rob
Thunder Bay ON
halfbreed
02-22-2007, 08:54 PM
Evenin gents' I usually don't post much anymore, been kinda busy workin 70 hours a week lately. But I do look in kinda often when I can.
It has nearly always been real friendly here. Heck when I can get along with nearly everybody, you know it's a friendly bunch. LOL, There is tremendous knowledge and experience here just for tha asking.
I have sent the moderators a PM on occassion about a few posts. I have even had a few posts deleted. Imagine that. But it still was done friendly and professionally. Even the moderators who deleted my posts let me know why, and we were able to discuss it in a friendly atmosphere.
All I can say is, THANK YOU to the moderators for making this such a family friendly site.
John
the_mad_rshn
03-16-2007, 11:24 AM
I am new here, but thank you very much for keeping this forum clean. Because of this it is a great pleasure to visit it any time.
Cheers,
Mad
Ross Clifton
05-25-2007, 02:18 AM
Mike G, with reference to your following comments regarding the misuse of such forums : "Just because we lock a thread doesn't mean we disagree with it, or have a personal problem with YOU. It just means we feel it doesn't fit in with the purpose of the forum, or is headed for trouble. Try not to take it personally and we'll try to let bygones be bygones."
I apologise for double posting my inquiry about whether or not the LYNX SF 10x42 scope was the same as the Nikko Stirling Diamond Supreme 10x42.
My objective at the time was to seek an appropriate response from the largest possible audience. The two scope brands mentioned are quite popular in Australia but I have no idea about their popularity in the States. Considering the fact that Hunting / Australia only has about 930 posts, I thought I might be optimistic and so included it under Sporting Optics / Rifle Scopes as it has nearly 3800 posts. In short, a somewhat logical and practical approach to seeking an answer to a problem. Congratulations for closely monitoring such a diverse and useful forum. Well done !
Ross - I'll speak for Mike and the other Mod's. Double posting is something new folks do without realizing we frown on it. Your apology is cheerfully accepted and hope it doesn't dampen you spirits for further involvement on the many forums and posts.
Welcome to the board, BTW - we certainly enjoy the participation by you folks "Downunder".
I, like everyone else here it seems, appreciate the well run forum and the site as a whole. I almost can't wait till I need more cast bullets! I have no complaints, really only praise. I am curious though about some aspects of the board. Like:
1.) How long do stickies get stuck? Not tech articles, but more like announcements, recalls, policies, etc.?
2.) What is the hierarchy concerning administrators, super moderators, moderators etc? I think even I, can understand the ownership of the site, LOL.
I guess that's about it. I'm amazed that this board works so well. Nicest people I've ever come across on an internet board. Whatever you're doing, please continue it.
Rev
Flat Top
03-13-2008, 04:00 PM
Mike G; this is an excellent forum, and I believe that "moderation" keeps it that way. I am in the motorcycle business, and things can get rough on the motorcycle forums. Those that are not "controlled" usually go by the wayside. Marshalls website, and this forum have helped me immensely being the newbie to large bore rifles and cast bullets for them. I would hate to see this forum shut down due to "lack of moderation"!!!! So, you guys keep up the great work, and if I step out of line...let me have it!
Jack Monteith
03-13-2008, 05:25 PM
Stickies stay up until they're unstuck. We cleaned up some recently.
The owner and administrator is Marshall Stanton, who runs Beartooth Bullets. The other administrator is Alex Stanton, who set this board up when he was fourteen. There's no difference between moderators and super moderators. It's due to a software quirk that came with a software upgrade.
Bye
Jack
unclenick
03-14-2008, 06:21 AM
Jack!
Shhhhhh!
jb12string
03-14-2008, 06:40 AM
Sorry Nick the curtain has been rolled back, we've seen the "wizard" :D :D
grizz106
03-14-2008, 12:27 PM
Moderators, congratulations for doing a fine job of being fine people! This BT forum was my first introduction to any shooting forum in the world wide web yrs. back and have always found this place to be highly informative and friendly. You all keep up the good works!
best regards,
Luisyamaha
03-21-2008, 05:25 PM
I've been writing long post only to be told i'm not logged in. but I am. What gives?
Jack Monteith
03-21-2008, 06:01 PM
Don't know for sure, but some people get timed out and others don't. It's best to copy your text into a word processor and save it if you're having problems. Notepad works fine.
Bye
Jack
William Iorg
03-21-2008, 06:18 PM
I have the same problem with timing out. I have reset my settings on my computer and still cannot correct it. I must work off line in word and with the new format save to plain text and copy to the forum. When I get in a hurry and copy direct from word I end up with a bunch of odd "extras." Nick has been correcting these posts for me but I am attempting to remember to do them "properly."
The new format has given many of my old posts from before the conversion a lot of new "extras."
I'll get used to all of this but it can be frustrating because I am not very adept a computer stuff.
unclenick
03-22-2008, 06:33 AM
I find a number of people are pasting from Word and getting the board's misinterpretation of the Word formatting characters. I also noticed a lot of my old posts now have apostrophes and other characters converted to Swedish. I want to put a sticky up about how to handle it. I tried playing with Word's own "remove formatting" function, but all it does is take out the tabs and margins and whatnot. It's the carriage returns and some other odds and ends that are the problem. It's the price we've paid for the new system handling fonts. You'll notice those posts with errant characters are showing up with Times New Roman instead of the Arial font, so apparently the new system lets you carry in some common fonts. I'll see if I can get some easier workaround than copying into and from notepad to clear the characters figured out and put it up?
Luisyamaha,
What you are seeing is that your computer remembers the page where you are logged in and keeps a temporary copy of it. You may have noticed you can often go to a sight that loads slowly the first time you visit, but that comes up fast when you go there after that, if it hasn't changed. It's that same historical memory. So, if you are editing and the upper right corner of the page shows you are logged in, then that is just what your machine saw the last time it loaded the page. You may, in fact, no longer be logged in because your machine does not update that page. Good thing, too, because you would lose what you are composing every time it did that.
As it is, if you try to submit a Quick Reply and you get the message that you don't have permission to post it (meaning you are not logged in), if you click on the Go Advanced button below the composition pane, then scroll down past the preview that comes up to the new composition pane that appears, and click on the Submit Repy button, you will be taken automatically to the login window, but the system will still remember the content of your composition. When you log in, the composition will post, and will not be dumped.
This is all very inconvenient, of course. I find my machine drops my login frequently some days and others. When I log in, I try to remember to check the Remember Me box, so I get a new cookie. That sometimes will keep me logged in and sometimes won't. I think the problem can be caused either by security settings dumping or blocking cookies, or, in my case, by the dynamic IP assignment system used by my cable ISP changing and making me look like I am a different machine. You can usually pay an ISP extra to get a fixed IP address if you want one? A lot of businesses do that. I am thinking about it, but like the idea that the change makes it harder for zombie herders and other spammers to get a fix on me.
XGrunt
03-22-2008, 05:33 PM
Thank you for your words MikeG. The opening post clearly shows me this is a good place to be.
I moderate a few unrelated forums, and find what you say to be true.
Hope to fit in without creating a disturbance.
unclenick
03-23-2008, 06:35 AM
Welcome to the forum. I'll spare you the usual abbreviated recitation of the rules, as you've obviously done the unthinkable, and actually read them for yourself before posting. It doesn't take much moderating to appreciate the practice.:D
I hope you enjoy your time here! Don't hesitate to draw on your experience to make suggestions to the moderators if you espy something that might be tweaked a bit.
Swany
03-27-2008, 04:47 PM
I too have learned to appreciate the reading, garnering and sharing knowledge. Until recently that was all I done, then I retired and finally caught up on some of my homework. When the call went out for help over at Marlinowners, I done something I thought they taught me not to do, I volunteered. Thus far I haven't heard any of the rawhiding I'm sure sooner or later I will receive for my new found powers of culling, editing, deleting, locking or making something a sticky. I do find the job interesting and thus far rewarding. My new boss has said I'm doing okay, but in the same breath told be some of the new names I'll have. I'll put it this way, I use the guidence of this forum for a guide to keep it as civil as possible, though getting old and no longer gruntled sometimes I do go overboard elsewhere. What I'm saying is you are doing a great job and should have us the minions who look, lurk, blab and otherwise have a good time. Should say this, THANK YOU VERY MUCH ALL.
Luisyamaha
03-27-2008, 04:52 PM
Unclenick, I appreciate the explanation, although most of it I think went over my head. I'll check more often to make sure I'm in. Maybe the system could be changed to NOT allow any writing unless you're logged in? Instead of telling you this AFTER writing a 500 word misive?
Kansas
03-27-2008, 06:05 PM
Louis,
An easy thing that you can do if you remember is to hit Ctrl-C after you type your post before you hti the post reply button that way your computer has that 500 word essay saved on it's clip board. Of course, if you are like me, you would forget that little step until after you get the error message!:rolleyes:
okietool
04-01-2008, 01:58 PM
Lemme see, I was drafted in to this forum, nope, I joined of my own free will. I am forced to stay a member, again nope, I can leave anytime I want. Do I appreciate everyonelses' efforts in posting and maintaining this forum, UBECHA.
I want to say thanks up front.:D
Luisyamaha
04-02-2008, 02:28 PM
Okietool, What did you expect? This IS, after all, the "Complaints" forum!
unclenick
04-02-2008, 05:22 PM
And I think it's a legitimate complaint. Even the moderators have expressed annoyance in our secret hidden moderator's forum where we conspire find ways to exclude spammers. take control of rampaging threads, and occasionally the odd small island nation. I find that if I check the box to "remember me" each time I og in, at least for awhile, it does. Then my ISP's dynamic IP address system changes my computer's net identity, and I'm back off again.
If you compose, click in the composition window and hit Ctrl-A to first select everything, then Ctrl-C or Ctrl-Insert (or just right-click over the selected text and click on "Copy" in the resulting flyout menu) to get it remembered by the Windows Clipboard. This will keep a copy you can paste into a new composition window if things go south.
However, I have yet to lose a post from the logout since learning what it wants. If it tells you that you don't have permission to post, just click that "Go Advanced" button so you can log in. When you do, the edit window with your composition still intact should appear.
unclenick
04-02-2008, 05:56 PM
It's turning out this problem is inconsistent. Some folks never have it, while others constantly do. That suggests either the changing IP address problem I have, or else something in the way security settings cookie handling is interacting with the new board software is doing it. The moderators have a request in for Alex, the board's technical guru to look into it. Meanwhile, if you folks experiencing the problem would not mind, can you put up whether you're ISP has you in a dynamic IP range (you may need to call and ask, but if you are on RoadRunner or another cable or constantly connected internet connection, you probably do, and if you are on dial-up or another system that makes connections only when you need them, you don't) and what security software you are running? Maybe we can spot a pattern here? I'll start:
I have a cable connection with dynamic IP
My machine is plugged into the cable modem through a router to get the router's hardware firewall protection.
I use the ZoneAlarm firewall and AV and general malware blocker.
I use the Webroot Spysweeper anti-spyware and malware program.
jb12string
04-02-2008, 06:36 PM
Do most adware detector/eliminators clear cookie lists? I notice whenever I run my anti-adware software, I end up logged out of all the forums that I save my login for. If people have anti-adware/spyware software that runs automatically, maybe...
unclenick
04-03-2008, 05:02 AM
Yes and no. They can usually be set to. Especially privacy security software with names like "washer" or "scrubber" or "cleaner" that are intended to delete your web history, including cookies. For the standard anti-spy/anti-adware/anti-malware software, it usually depends on the security settings. A lot of them have options for "session only", meaning they'll allow a cookie for the length of the session, but then delete it. You have to check both your browser security settings and your security software settings. Some settings will kill only cookies known to be spyware based on a list of definitions that updates almost daily (assuming your registration/subscription is current). The Doubleclick cookie, is an example I see loaded by a lot of commercial sites. It is advertising-related and not a malware threat per se, but most people don't like their net surfing monitored for targeted advertising, even if they're not visiting jihadi web sites. Anyway, look through your settings and check help files to see which does what? Most of the common security software can be set to quarantine rather than destroy these things, so you can get them back.
Another factor that may be involved is Microsoft Windows and Internet Explorer, mainly, but even aftermarket ad-ins like Java, and also the Firefox browser (for those of us who don't like running around cyberspace on a browser thats part of our OS kernel) are constantly updating to fix security vulnerabilities. Not to mention the security programs themselves update how they work as well as their definitions from time to time. It is therefore perfectly possible this whole issue has come up because of a common security update that coincided with the board software changeover? That might help explain why some have the problem while others don't?
By the way, for those not aware of it, not having current protection software has become foolish almost beyond the pale. The spammers in particular have software that searches the web constantly looking for unprotected machines. They want to turn the machines into spam relays, called "zombies". In 2005, Microsoft (http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2005/oct05/10-27Zombie.mspx) put an unprotected test machine on line and intentionally infected it with one of the malware programs that are attached to e-mail or music or video or cookies. Within three months, it had gotten five million requests to send eighteen millon spams. Even Microsoft was astonished by the data volume. In 2005 spam was 50% of all e-mail traffic. Today it is 90%, and that's despite the volume of legitimate e-mail having grown. So the spam itself has grown from equal to the legitimate volume to nine times the legitimate volume. That's huge growth, but the spammers can earn up to half a million dollars a month, so they aren't going to stop voluntarily, and they are apparently hard to find. There is a CNN video from last year where the FBI cooperated with New Zealand authorities in arresting the head of an international "bot net" that had got access to about a million PC's and could cull bank account information and the like remotely. In early 2005, Symantec said their experiments showed a vulnerable machine could be attacked in as little as 20 minutes. I heard Kim Komando, on her radio show, say it is now down to just a few minutes. You don't even want to connect a new machine to the Internet before your firewall and AV software are loaded. Download them on another machine or have a friend download it and put it on a disk so you can load it before your first connection. Windows Defender is built into Windows for this reason, but I would take more cautions than that.
Because the spread of malicious software is so rapid now, lots of totally free software is out there that is pretty good. Zonealarm.com has a free version firewall. AVG has a free version anti-virus. lavasoft.com has a free version of Ad-aware. All these have paid versions that do more things, but that is up to you whether you want them? Kim Komando's site has links to free security software she's vetted. There is a lot of fraudulent anti-spyware out there, so I would go through her links here (http://www.komando.com/downloads/categories.aspx?cat=Security) to get something.
You can only run one anti-virus program at a time without interference, so pick just one and turn off others that may have come with other software. You need one firewall, and Zonealarm is better than the Windows Defender because the latter only blocks incoming data, while the former stops suspicious outgoing data as well. Defender comes with Windows just because of people hooking their new machines directly to the Internet. It is really a stopgap measure, though it doesn't seem to mind being left on together with Zonealarm, except it slows things down a bit. You need at least two spyware programs. They don't interfere and none of them seems to catch everything, so you want to scan with at least two. I use the free Lavasoft AdAware for a secondary scanner, but don't have it doing anything when I am online here, so I didn't list it above.
William Iorg
04-06-2008, 06:41 AM
Am I the only member who finds the new thread index at the top to be confusing? I cannot “click” on a post in the index and go to it. When I post to a thread my post returns as the only one on the page. I don’t understand what the purpose of the index is.
If this is a compromise between the older style of threads where the posts were staggered down I have to admit I do not like it and hope that the forum does not head in this direction.
Jack Monteith
04-06-2008, 08:24 AM
There's several ways of laying out the pages and I'm not sure which one you're using. Try going to Options in UserCP and playing with the Thread Display options.
Bye
Jack
William Iorg
04-28-2008, 07:10 PM
A yone else having trouble with the auto topic reply function. I get replies notices from other forums but not from Beartooth - anymore.
Also, the long threads have become a bit troublesome to navigate - not all of them but some are now difficult to get aroundin.
Jack Monteith
04-28-2008, 08:18 PM
Hi, Slim:
I sent you an email. Let me know if you get it.
Bye
Jack
William Iorg
04-29-2008, 03:44 AM
Morning, got the e-mail. I just thought it was odd that after the conversion the auto notification wirked fine. About a week ago they just stopped coming from Beartooth.
The auto topic function is still showing up in my email box, Slim - and not having much trouble getting around in the various forums. The Moderators may have a different setup for this, but I don't think so. Check your ISP cookies.
William Iorg
04-29-2008, 02:56 PM
I have been looking at that but I have used three different computers in a three week period and it does not work on any of them. A moderator can tell but one of my computers goes through a firewall and the other two do not. <O:p</O:p
The older multiple page threads are now hard for me to move around in. If I enter the thread in the middle or with the latest post there is an index at the top and not all posts per page are visible. I don’t care for the thread index at the top of the page and I do not understand why it is necessary. I am not a real computer kind of guy and a lot of this is truly magic to me.
kennisondan
04-30-2008, 09:11 AM
I am getting mine that is how I noticed this to click on it to come here to reply.
dk
William Iorg
04-30-2008, 09:53 AM
Something has changed for me as I get notification from Leverguns, Marlin Owners and the Campfire but none from here for replies to threads or private messages. I'm looking at the settings on my computers but I have not changed anything...
MikeG
04-30-2008, 10:03 AM
They may be getting blocked somewhere along the line as spam - best guess.
unclenick
04-30-2008, 11:39 AM
William,
I looked at your user settings, and they all seem to be correct. I'll bet Mike is correct. Check with your ISP and see if he has some sort of spam filter? If so, he may be able to whitelist shootersforum.com for you? If you have any spam blocking software of your own turned on, check to see whether you can whitelist the board within it or not?
An alternative is to get a Hotmail account just for the purpose of getting mail from here. I get all my notifications at my Hotmail account just fine. Hotmail, (unlike Yahoo mail — at least that used to be true) can be interrogated by Outlook and Outlook Express as a regular e-mail account and everything downloaded.
jb12string
05-09-2008, 09:38 PM
Is there anyway to set the forum so that the posts remain the same width throughout the forum, with the exception of posts that contain pictures. It seems that when someone posts a picture the whole thread as wide as the pictures.
William Iorg
05-26-2008, 06:57 AM
I am still not receiving the instant notification of topic replies. Looking at my CP I have the instant notification block checked. When I go to the subscribed threads page none of the threads are check marked. Going to the right side and manually checking them does no good as they loose the checkmark when I change pages. Any ideas?<O:p</O:p
unclenick
05-26-2008, 11:03 AM
If your CP shows you are not subscribed, then it is not spam blocking. Somehow you are not being auto-subscribed here? If Mike can't find it, he may have to e-mail Alex? I can't spot it in your settings, either.
William Iorg
05-26-2008, 11:50 AM
Something changed but not certain what it is. I recieve auto notification from other forums but no longer from Beartooth. Where this affects me is at work where I am on the computer all day and have a pop up for e-mail. I no longer get these showing replies to the Beartooth threads.
jb12string
05-26-2008, 06:53 PM
Is there anyway to set the forum so that the posts remain the same width throughout the forum, with the exception of posts that contain pictures. It seems that when someone posts a picture the whole thread as wide as the pictures.
So....., is there any way to do this?:confused:
Jack Monteith
05-27-2008, 11:22 AM
"Fit to Width" works in the Opera browser.
Bye
Jack
Kansas
05-27-2008, 07:30 PM
In Internet Explorer 7, you can use Ctrl - + and Ctrl - - to zoom in and out of the whole web page. The only problem is that it will enlarge and shrink text right along with everything else.
jb12string
05-27-2008, 07:47 PM
I know the forum at pafoa.org is running vbulletin and the post containing photos are larger than the rests of the posts in the same thread
naveedlodhi
06-02-2008, 11:16 PM
Thought I'd address a few things that seem to come up from time to time. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2. Just because we lock a thread doesn't mean we disagree with it, or have a personal problem with YOU. It just means we feel it doesn't fit in with the purpose of the forum, or is headed for trouble. Try not to take it personally and we'll try to let bygones be bygones.
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I do sincerely hope everyone here enjoys their time on the Beartooth Bullets Shooter's Forum. I have gotten to meet a number of forum participants in person and sure have enjoyed the frienship and things I have learned. (hint, Marshall, you need to come down to Texas and shoot pigs with us :D )
Dear Sir,
I would like you and all your colleagues to accept my most humble apologies on a thread that got locked in the rifle section. I should have searched the archives first to ask for a comparison between two rifle calibers as suggested by moderator. I have tried to send him an e-mail for an apology but I didn't have the rights for doing so.
I love this forum and have gained a lot of knowledge from reading the posts. Most of all I just love hunting.
Naveed Lodhi
MikeG
06-03-2008, 05:55 AM
Happens all the time. You aren't the first and won't be the last...... don't worry about it.
naveedlodhi
06-03-2008, 09:38 PM
Happens all the time. You aren't the first and won't be the last...... don't worry about it.
Thank you very much Sir,
I was scared that I might get kicked off the forum for restarting an old issue or thread.
Naveed
Thank you very much Sir,
I was scared that I might get kicked off the forum for restarting an old issue or thread.
Naveed
If that were true, half our members would have been kicked off by now, including myself. Some of the more common "restarts" are .45 LC vs. .44 mag and .444 vs. 45-70.
Pleased your here and appreciate the communications.
Dan
naveedlodhi
06-04-2008, 06:17 AM
Thank you Sir. All the guys here are mighty nice and I have got hooked on to the forum. Its like clock work that I just logon and start reading.
My Congratulations to all you guys who are managing and the ones who are members too.
:):):)
jb12string
06-04-2008, 01:26 PM
I didn't see the locked thread, but DOK, you forgot THE caliber comparison thread, '06 vs .270
Bucolic Buffalo
06-04-2008, 01:38 PM
Mike
just to let you know, all you moderaters do a fantastic job. this is the best site I've ever been on and learn quite a bit from all the guys that come here. as a matter of fact I recommend this sight to gun owners i know every chance I get.
Pegleg08
12-21-2008, 07:24 AM
read the intro to the thread and its was wonderful to see someone acknowledge the fact that we do not live in a democracy, but a constitutional republic......thank you......:D
markkw
12-21-2008, 08:03 AM
I don't have enough ammo
Taxes are too high
Coffee is cold
Don't have enough guns
Bed is too hard
I don't get enough sleep
Shop needs cleaning
Truck needs fixing
Huh? Oh, complaints on the forum.........?:D:D:D
the_mad_rshn
12-21-2008, 08:04 AM
read the intro to the thread and its was wonderful to see someone acknowledge the fact that we do not live in a democracy, but a constitutional republic......thank you......:D
Republic is an entity such as country or state which is controlled/ran by the means of democracy.
Cheers,
Mad
Flat Top
12-21-2008, 09:11 AM
I have posted here once, but feel inclined to do so again. I would just like to say that the best thing about this forum is, that even though we disagree sometimes, we can "agree to disagree", and, inspite of whatever view I have taken on something, I have always been treated with respect, and thats important! One thing for sure, disagreements if pondered, can lead to some very good information....and, I have learned much, and changed my opinions on some things by applying the opinions and experience of those on this forum. I have left some forums because I stated an "opinion" and was harshly berated for it. Then, some on that forum, went to another and spread the word that I was a no good so and so. LOL!!!! "If they have a problem with me...its their problem and I am not going to make it mine!" I have not been back to those forums since...they offer nothing useful in the way of constructive discourse, and it would serve no good purpose for me to be there. This forum is a tribute to Marshall and those that offer up their time to moderate it. It is one of the most "technically oriented" shooting forums out there, and is a wealth of information, knowledge, and experience, on just about everything shooting and hunting!. There is no better place to be than here!
I butted heads with a mod here, back when I first joined. It was over an offensive avatar I had. Releazing my mistake, I changed it and appoligized. The mods here do a great job keeping things as civil as possible.
....oh yea, standard calibers suck ! :P
Sorry, couldnt resist Mike :D
If I might make a suggestion though... Start a forum for all the stickys. Sticky posts are taking up the first half of the general forum page, and it is a little excessive.
MikeG
12-24-2008, 12:26 PM
I butted heads with a mod here, back when I first joined. It was over an offensive avatar I had. Releazing my mistake, I changed it and appoligized. The mods here do a great job keeping things as civil as possible.
....oh yea, standard calibers suck ! :P
Sorry, couldnt resist Mike :D
If I might make a suggestion though... Start a forum for all the stickys. Sticky posts are taking up the first half of the general forum page, and it is a little excessive.
YOU??? Butted heads with someone????? :rolleyes: Perish the thought!!!!!
It just goes to show there's hope for all of us! :D
Ouch Mike, that hurt :p Now I'm going to begin to think you don't like me :(
Motor31
01-07-2009, 02:11 PM
Not a complaint, just an observation. I looked over the a little of the web site's data base of diagrams and only in rifle and shotgun. It seems that the site got spammed a bit in the rifle and shotgun area. I doubt the adds for pills and web sites really fits the firearms diagrams very well. :)
Site looks good to this noob.
Yes, the other sites on the board have taken hits from spammers, but we Moderators and MikeG, the Mod Admin can't clean those sites out. Takes action by the board owner and his son, who set the board up.
gstring120
01-24-2009, 08:45 PM
Mike,
I think you have an outstanding site! Nick, Bob, Jack, and a host of other members have already helped me a great deal with my venture into reloading. Keep up the good work.
Greg
largin89@yahoo.
01-27-2009, 07:45 AM
I seem to be getting kicked out and have to relog in. Is there a timer on no response?
Twelveknuckles
01-27-2009, 08:07 AM
I think if you click on "remember me" , it will keep you logged in until you log out, but I am just a member, so I could be wrong.:o
largin89@yahoo.
01-27-2009, 08:09 AM
I know that computers have a keyboard and a screen. Thanks. I will try that.
stalker76z
02-16-2009, 11:06 AM
Mike--------I couldn't agree with you more. Personally, I consider it a privilege to be allowed to politely vent my frustrations about my equipment or my procedures that honestly solicity someone else's opinion. Did you notice I was saying MY EQUIPMENT AND MY PROCEDURES??? I guess that no one is twisting anyone's arm to be a guest on this forum. Thank you for this forum. I appreciate each and everyone else's opinion or else I wouldn't solicite them! THANK YOU, MARSHALL STANTON, FOR HOSTING THIS FORUM! Having dealt with many types of personalities and situations over the years, "people" are going to be "people". It doesn't excuse bad manners or trash talk. If these types of "people" don't like it ----TOUGH!! Those of us who do appreciate you and your intent, Marshall, will treat this forum as a privilege. Courtesy costs nothing and by using it, there is NOTHING TO DEFEND FOR THE USER. For all of you volunteers who assist the administration of this forum---------Keep up the good work!! Roland Larson, Eau Claire, WI
oloutlaw
02-23-2009, 07:03 AM
The unsung hero's of almost any endeavor are the folks who have the job of gathering and getting rid of the unwanted flotsam and jetsam.....Hats off guys, keep up the gr8 work....
William Iorg
03-14-2009, 05:36 PM
What is an "Internal servor error"?
gmd3006
03-14-2009, 07:30 PM
What is an "Internal server error"?
It's what your congressman says when it's found out that his maid is an illegal alien.
:D
pfoxy
03-15-2009, 02:04 AM
ROTFLMBO! Good one!
William Iorg
03-15-2009, 06:12 AM
Ha! Good one.
<O:p</O:p
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