Nope, didn't scare me at all. I've been busy shooting Pressure Trace stuff in my 1895G and 1895MR. I shoot "match" style in case I see something good but it is hard to concentrate on the target because of the need to monitor the cable connected to the gun, interface box, and laptop. I don't even look at the target until I walk down to set up new targets. I did get this little prize with 47.0-grains of Benchmark out of my 1895G with my TLC460-350-RF boolit at 100-yards. I will make a small adjustment to the crosshairs and then let you have it!

I sense a can of extra strong Whup A$$ coming. :D

I wish I had a Ranch Dog bullet mould for the postal match.

I guess I'll just keep practicing my offhand shooting until then. I wanted to buy a new rifle but they are all out around here. Something about shipping them all to Pennsylvania. :confused:

I sense a can of extra strong Whup A$$ coming. :D
Me too! I think I'll get out of town and go shad fishing tomorrow!

I sense a can of extra strong Whup A$$ coming. :D

It do look like it…Sort of feel sorry for Buchanan, first Dr. A thumps him and now Ranch Dog getting ready to put the smack to him…They got poor ol Mike hopping around, like a one legged man at as A$$ kickin contest :D …
Best just go fishing Mike, but don’t let the worm kick your ask too :eek: … :D :D

It do look like it…Sort of feel sorry for Buchanan, first Dr. A thumps him and now Ranch Dog getting ready to put the smack to him…They got poor ol Mike hopping around, like a one legged man at as A$$ kickin contest :D …
Best just go fishing Mike, but don’t let the worm kick your ask too :eek: … :D :D

The Truck's packed! All I need to do is pack the cooler with sandwiches and drinks! I going to kick back and relax on the water. When I get back to the range I bet the bullets will just pile on top of each other!! :D :D

Nice minnows Mike!!

Hmmmm .....

Now where did I put those Ranchdog targets ???

Browning BLR
100 yards
Stock Iron sights

:cool:

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f17/MtJerry/2007_0504Spring0020.jpg

Hmmmm .....

Now where did I put those Ranchdog targets ???

Browning BLR
100 yards
Stock Iron sights

:cool:

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f17/MtJerry/2007_0504Spring0020.jpg

Check the rules but I think all Brownings have to be shot at 150 yards and with irons sights only for the PM :D :D :D

Nice minnows Mike!!

Looks likes bait to me... :D

Mini- tarpon.

After the poor showing I put-in at the range today, I should’ve just “gone fishing” with Mike instead… :confused: :D

Hey I let a bunch of black, bearded birds kick my butt all weekend. I was upstate and I think it was early since we had a late spring, we couldn't get more than one gobble out of a bird.

Managed a trip to the range today. The shooting was dissapointing to say the least, but I'm sending in the six targets anyway. The groups weren't THAT bad, but I couldn't seem to center the groups over the bull's eye. So measuring from the center, they ARE pretty bad.
I've been shoothing benchrest, and after getting used to the 24X scope that little 4X looks mighty small. I'll just have to shoot the 1894 exclusively for a while to get used to it again.
All in good time...

Luis

Raining here. I got some rounds put together today. If this rain keeps going I will have some more loaded tomorrow. Maybe some shooting next weekend. My cold is a lot better.

We had absolutely perfect shooting weather here this morning, cool, overcast and dead calm. I came THIS close to taking back the lead in the open sight bench match. :D

I know I said I wasn't going to shoot off the bench anymore but I was testing bullet lube. This Saeco 32-20 mould casts accurate bullets but the nose is just round to make the holes in the target look like they were punched out with a stick.

Yesterdays Shad fishing was a lot better than my target shooting today! Caught tons of shad and had a great day on the water. Ran over to the range with a pair of Marlin 30-30's, one open sights and one scoped. Had fun shooting and had some decent targets but nothing worth sending in. Oh well it was a great weekend and I hope everybody else had a great one too! :)

Beautiful day today, absolutely perfect for shooting tonight so I went to the range fiquiring I 'd come back with some scary targets to take pictures of with my flipflops. Boy was I mistaken! I had a ball and shot some targets and a bunch of steel plates but boy did I stink up the place tonight! Oh well I guess I'll just have to fill up some shells and go do it again! :D

I shot this just now. Not bad for homemade (32-20) bullets, plus which the dang dog ate my shooting shoes so I'm having to shoot in my fishing shoes.

I'm gonna beat the score I shot with the BTBs yet.
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k191/KGKILBY/Lasttarget002-2.jpg

Good call on your choice of footwear Ken… Going to try my Sunday go-to-meeting slippers for shooting manana, maybe that will help with the shooting funk I’m in…

BTW might as well give that target to the dog to chew-on, might just keep him from chewing on your thongs… :eek:

I shot this just now. Not bad for homemade (32-20) bullets, plus which the dang dog ate my shooting shoes so I'm having to shoot in my fishing shoes.

I'm gonna beat the score I shot with the BTBs yet.
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k191/KGKILBY/Lasttarget002-2.jpg
Wow, unless you're shooting a target with a 3" white center that's a good looking target!! :D

Sweet 25 yard group KenK. :D

That is a good one Ken. I have rounds loaded and there is a window for shooting this weekend if the weather holds. It will be good to get out there after 3 weeks of colds at the Chief's house.

I do have a doc appointment early Friday to talk about acouple procedures to see if I need more procedures. I am going to try to talk him out of all of it. Then I will go shoot and plant beans for the deer.

That is a good one Ken. I have rounds loaded and there is a window for shooting this weekend if the weather holds. It will be good to get out there after 3 weeks of colds at the Chief's house.

I do have a doc appointment early Friday to talk about acouple procedures to see if I need more procedures. I am going to try to talk him out of all of it. Then I will go shoot and plant beans for the deer.

How are they going to run a medical practice if you won't let them practice?? :confused: :confused:

Well the doc agreed with me so the tests have been called off but he is still looking for something to be wrong. I have to wait another month to see if my blood pressure being high from going thru all this test anqziety has come down.

If they keep looking they will find something or cause something.

Oh! top stay on topic. I will shoot tomorrow.

Easiest way to lower your blood pressure that I’m aware of, is to buy a Marlin 444 and shoot the baa-gee-bees out of it… The recoil has a way of mellowing a guy out.. ;)
Works for me every time… :cool:

Easiest way to lower your blood pressure that I’m aware of, is to buy a Marlin 444 and shoot the baa-gee-bees out of it… The recoil has a way of mellowing a guy out.. ;)
Works for me every time… :cool:
Gives other people heart attacks too! :D :D :D

It almost happened. I unsheathed the 1894CB 32 H&R mag today. ;)

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o239/big_medicine/DSCF0044pmiv32mag.jpg

That had to hurt.

I'll say it almost happened! Nice group anyway. Most of my groups are the opposite, one in the center and four in a cluster way out yonder.

It almost happened. I unsheathed the 1894CB 32 H&R mag today. ;)

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o239/big_medicine/DSCF0044pmiv32mag.jpg

'You have to get your mind right Luke" :D Good to see your back shooting big med. :)

Thanks guys, there has been a lot that has happened the last couple weeks. Trying to get back in the saddle. At lest the 32 mag didn't kick me while I was down :)

Spent my day at my sister-in-law's graduation then moving her out of her apartment. I need more benchmark before I can do much shooting anyways, the stuff works so well, but man is the recoil sharp, especially with that steel but plate

Well it looks like both of my LTD 45-70's like the 405 gr Laser cast with 12.5 gr of Trail Boss, now if I can just get them centered in the bulls eye.

I am going to try to actualy shoot some targets this year. Don't know which gun is going to shoot like I want it too. Limited shooting time so I think Ranch Dog should give me a handicap like golf or bowling. ;-) reflex264

Spent my day at my sister-in-law's graduation then moving her out of her apartment. I need more benchmark before I can do much shooting anyways, the stuff works so well, but man is the recoil sharp, especially with that steel but plate

Spend about $30.00 on a Pachmayr Classic Leather Slip on Pad. Buy it in the small and it will fit 90% of the levers out there and as your collection grows you can just switch them to the gun you're bench shooting.
It takes the bite right out of those steel plates and it the only way I can go shoot 50-150 rounds everytime I go to the club, but I am a recoil whimp! :D

It almost happened. I unsheathed the 1894CB 32 H&R mag today. ;)

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o239/big_medicine/DSCF0044pmiv32mag.jpg

Another vote for the "Best 4" Scoring system!!!
Wow! Nice target no matter what! :D

I have one of the PAST ones that goes on the shoulder that I can use, I didn't start out with it cause I didn't think I'd need it, never had to in the past, The recoil isn't hard, but it is really sharp, more kick, less push

I am going to try to actualy shoot some targets this year. Don't know which gun is going to shoot like I want it too. Limited shooting time so I think Ranch Dog should give me a handicap like golf or bowling. ;-) reflex264

Yeah right Reflex!! :p You ain't gonna sandbag this old feller.

Dave :cool:

Well it looks like both of my LTD 45-70's like the 405 gr Laser cast with 12.5 gr of Trail Boss, now if I can just get them centered in the bulls eye.

big medicine, are you getting any leading with that load?
Also, does any of your brass look like this when fired.? :eek:

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k114/Rowdy_444/000_0191.jpg

Yeah right Reflex!! :p You ain't gonna sandbag this old feller.

Dave :cool:



You old guys have no mercy!!!! After the gun fight with the chupy I though you would take my side on this.:D:D:D

I am going to get out several of the Marlins shortly and see which one is in the best mood since you won't help me cheat. :D reflex264

Rowdy,
My brass looks pretty good. I'm not getting any blow back on the case's and I have noticed any leading. The 12.5 gr load shoots good in both rifles.

Rowdy,
My brass looks pretty good. I'm not getting any blow back on the case's and I have noticed any leading. The 12.5 gr load shoots good in both rifles.

OK Tkanks big medicine. :D :D

The 303 savage dies came today and I just finished up 40 rounds. Probably won't get to shoot it until next week but I could just tell by the feel and looks of the rounds that there are a couple 1/2" groups in them! :D I can't wait to see how badly the old gun beats the .444's :D :D

I did not post an update on Monday as I had a long work week. Will do it this weekend. I did try to better my score with the 1895G. Not going to happen so I went out into the pasture instead. I shot this brute early yesterday evening with that 1895G (45-70 Govt) and my TLC460-350-RF.

http://www.ranchdogmolds.com/images/Hog01_051707B.jpg

Did you get the group size measured on him ????

:p

Nice pig!

It's hard to measure the "group" when it's just a single hole!

I got your message, was running all day non stop. I will give you a call soon.

Sure, Ranch Dog shoots a beauty one-hole hog group :D :D
… And all I got was this goofy target…Did you recover a bullet RD?

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k114/Rowdy_444/000_0192.jpg

…Did you recover a bullet RD?

No, sure didn't. I actually shot through the leg bone on the entry side, emptied the chest cavity of every vital organ, and removed the exit side shoulder. Boolit alloy was 1 part tin to 9 parts WW, water quenched for a BHN of 19. Muzzle velocity of 1760 FPS and the hog was 60 yards out.

I don't think I ever heard of anybody putting that much tin in their bullets. What does it get you that half or a quarter that much wouldn't?

Rowdy,
Looks like you had a good thing going :eek:

Sure, Ranch Dog shoots a beauty one-hole hog group :D :D
… And all I got was this goofy target…Did you recover a bullet RD?

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k114/Rowdy_444/000_0192.jpg

Rowdy, I've had a bunch of sessions at the range when I would have been thankful for a target like that!
Are you holding back the .444 until the match get's really tight? :D

No, sure didn't. I actually shot through the leg bone on the entry side, emptied the chest cavity of every vital organ, and removed the exit side shoulder. Boolit alloy was 1 part tin to 9 parts WW, water quenched for a BHN of 19. Muzzle velocity of 1760 FPS and the hog was 60 yards out.

Sounds like you have one fine bullet RD. :cool: If i were a caster i'd be callin ya for moulds.. ;)

Rowdy,
Were those Silver Bullets you were shooting :D :D ;)

Rowdy,
Looks like you had a good thing going :eek:

Wait till you see what it'll do using about 13.0gr :eek:
Thanks again big medicine, one sweet load.. :D

Laser Cast 405gr.

Wait till you see what it'll do using about 13.0gr :eek:
Thanks again big medicine, one sweet load.. :D

Laser Cast 405gr.

OK....I just saw the Silver bullet ;)

Are you holding back the .444 until the match get's really tight? :D

It's in the back of the closet now, i'd just as soon forget i even own it... :(

OK....I just saw the Silver bullet ;)

Oh that silver bullet, yep thats mine.. :D

I don't think I ever heard of anybody putting that much tin in their bullets. What does it get you that half or a quarter that much wouldn't?

Fill out. My boolits all have the Lee Micro Bands and those bands are sharp and well defined for maximum lube capacity. The boolits are plum pretty too!

I was hoping to shoot the Ranch Dog 30-30 bullet in the match this year. I see you have pushed the due date back to the end of the year.

I was hoping to shoot the Ranch Dog 30-30 bullet in the match this year. I see you have pushed the due date back to the end of the year.

Ken,

I've pushed the date back because Lee is at capacity for special order cuts (I've helped that) and the 90 to 120 days no longer applies. I understand that they had a years worth of cutting by the end of April. The delay also involves the cost of my inventory. It cost about $2500 to $5000 to bring each design from signing the approval drawing to putting it in my shopping cart and up for sale.

To combat some inventory investment and wait time, I'm going to offer the "pending" mold designs through a "subscription" that will allow the shooter to order the mold at a reduced cost if he doesn't mind waiting. When 25 molds have been subscribed to, that shows me that there is enough interest and I will commit my funds to the inventory. Dick Dastardly does this but at a higher cost (http://www.biglube.com/BulletMolds.aspx?ProductID=8). My subscription prices will be $21.25 for a two-cavity and $42.50 for a six-cavity mold. This is similar to a "group-buy" and allows somebody with an interest to invest at a savings providing the caster does not mind the waiting period. Dick Dastardly does explain the "subscription" on his site but it will be explained fully on mine.

I just turned ranchdogmolds.com on so I could work on it. I've been waiting on doing that because it starts the meter running as far as cost is concerned. I'm working on things between my work, the ranch, and everything else I manage to do.

I'm going to avoid more talk about this endeavor on this forum because I don't want it preceived that I'm using Marshall's coins to promote this business. I care too much about the man and Beartooth Bullets to do that!

WOW, some changes in the scores. Dr.A got his 336CB shooting it loos like :eek:

Michael, did my package of targets show up yet??

Good thing I put the scope back on my XLR today, all the action seems to be at the bench...This going to be some kind of good fun :cool: …

Good thing I put the scope back on my XLR today, all the action seems to be at the bench...This going to be some kind of good fun :cool: …

You are going to mess around and ruin that rifle's self esteem... Put it in the closet, take it out, change the sights, bad mouth it, praise it.. :D

I wish some more of ya'll would get the nerve to send in a 100 yard off hand target. I hate being last!

No, sure didn't. I actually shot through the leg bone on the entry side, emptied the chest cavity of every vital organ, and removed the exit side shoulder. Boolit alloy was 1 part tin to 9 parts WW, water quenched for a BHN of 19. Muzzle velocity of 1760 FPS and the hog was 60 yards out.


"Removed the exit side shoulder???" :eek: :eek: :eek:

Last time I had that happen was with my .338 Win Mag.... nothing but dog food where the bullet come out :D

Sounds like that bullet did a heck of a job!

Off season processing becomes a problem in our area and a place to do it myself would still just be a huge time consumer. I guess I would rather be sitting in the shade with a cold "sweet tea".

You are to be commended, sir.

Michael, did my package of targets show up yet??

Not yet Alan. These were targets received through Friday's mail.

I wish some more of ya'll would get the nerve to send in a 100 yard off hand target. I hate being last!

Okay, okay, I will be last :cool:

I wish some more of ya'll would get the nerve to send in a 100 yard off hand target. I hate being last!
I was going to try today, but in 20+ mph winds I just couldn't seem to settle in on the target.

Slightly OT… ;)

While wandering around ShopKo waiting for my prescriptions to be filled, I found them…

Shooters flip-flops on sale; two pair for $5.00 this week only… :D :D

Old Navy is running a similar deal...

I got a new lubrisizer today. :p

I guess I'm going to have to wait until we go to the beach in a couple of weeks to get new, proper, flip flops.

Got the Savage 99EG .303 to the range for the first time today. The old girl is a real shooter. At 25yds I can pile the bullets on top of each other! There's one one problem though, at 50 yards I cannot see the old original open sights well enough to shoot better than a decent offhand target from the bench!! :mad: I guess I'll be spending the money and putting the reciever sight on it unless there is a rule I missed about being able to shoot at 25yds if your eyes are over 55??
:D :D
I'm going to have to get out the 25-35 and get serious soon, my targets are getting thumped big time by more than just Rowdy :(


I thought if I scanned these I'd get a little more symapathy :rolleyes:

I got a new lubrisizer today. :p

I'm in the market for one also Ken, what did you get.?

An RCBS. It works OK, it was quick and easy to get set up and running. I didn't lube many bullets cause I want to see how this lube is going to work.

I think I'm probably going to have to lap out my 32-20 die. I definitely am going to figure out how to replace the lube feeding handle with a ratchet of some sort.

I thought if I scanned these I'd get a little more symapathy :rolleyes:

That is pretty pitiful. :cool:

Yeah, in that most of us are at that age or older... that's pretty much hitting rock bottom.

KenK,

I'm fixin' to knock you out of your bottom place in scope standing. You've been warned.

I have an eye appt in June. I'm taking a target with me and tell the doc, that I NEED to be able to clearly see this at 50 yards, looking through a peep sight, over the front sight :eek:

I did some work on my sights a couple days ago, we will see if it made any difference if I get out this weekend. I'm gun'in for ya Rowdy!! ;)

I'm gun'in for ya Rowdy!! ;)

big med---big med------BIG MED WAKE-UP, you're dreaming dude. :D
Big brown truck just left a big box o bullets, so i'm up for the challenge.. :p

Tried to help out Ken in the scope- offhand, but no luck...Could't keep 5 out-of 5 on the target :eek:

I've got the fever now, but wish we could do something similar with wheel guns. Practicing longer distance with a Ruger Single action will get you technique to help with hunting as well. A whole different science in and of itself.

Everybody have a safe and fun weekend. If you get to the range breathe lightly on each cartridge and keep a steady hand!!!! It's going to be a flipflop weekend here and I'm hoping you all have great weather too! :cool:
Mike B.

It could be close...pics to come :D :D :eek:

There are either 3 bullets in the top right hole or there are 2 bullets in the top right and bottom right holes. Either way I'll take it ;) :D but I'm pretty sure there are 3 bullets in top hole. I just love this 32 mag!!

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o239/big_medicine/DSCF004532mag.jpg

Is my second place slipping away? I think I may still have you by a hair. I wouldn't bet on it though.

I shot five targets today. Sizing my 32-20 bullets sure didn't do them any good. I had a 24 shot group right at 2 inchs and one bad flier.

Well the score have been up dated :D

Come on fellas the trash talk has been a little slow lately :rolleyes: what gives??

Come on fellas the trash talk has been a little slow lately :rolleyes: what gives??
I haven't been making it to the range. Air conditioning business has finally picked up around here and works been interfering with all the fun things! Friday I'm headed to the mountains of PA and trout fishing for a week but when I get back look out! I'm getting the 25-35 out and work on the iron sight classes and I'll be screwing more scopes on too. I'm getting surrounded and beat up it the scope classes and I'm not even in the hunt in the open sights. So take this as a warning, when I get back from the week of hot toddy's in the morning and trout fishing all day and cards and lying at night I'll be ready to shoot!! :D :D :D

You mean THIS Friday, when it is supposed to 90 degrees and 95% humidity, and your leaving your service techs to fend for themselves ;) guess its good to be king :D

You mean THIS Friday, when it is supposed to 90 degrees and 95% humidity, and your leaving your service techs to fend for themselves ;) guess its good to be king :D
That's what I pay them for! :D

Are there any penalties for using your shooting flip flops to enjoy a Hot toddy on the camp porch while waiting for breakfast?

Looks like the 308MX is going to be a contender :D

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o239/big_medicine/DSCF0047pm308mx.jpg

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o239/big_medicine/DSCF0046pm308mx.jpg

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o239/big_medicine/DSCF0045pm308mx.jpg

Shot these right after I picked up the rifle yesterday. 50 yards factory sights with Hornady Leverevolution ammo.

Nice shooting Big Medicine.
I've been shooting everyday. I just can't beat what I've already posted. :mad:

I need to get back to the offhand program.

Big Med, all I can say is WOW!!!!!!!!!

Looks Good!

I have to say that I was impressed with the rifle from the first group. It was kinda like my 38/55 CB and 32 H&R mag CB. From the first group I shot with those I knew they would be shooters. This 308MX just feels right when you shoulder it.

Wow! Great targets! You're definitely going to be putting on some more pressure with that gun! :D

Nice big medicine :D :D And right out of the box no less, looks like a keeper to me ;) :cool: ...

Oh and thanks for bumpin my CB to forth place, i'll try to return the favor :p

Nice big medicine :D :D And right out of the box no less, looks like a keeper to me ;) :cool: ...

Oh and thanks for bumpin my CB to forth place, i'll try to return the favor :p

I have a better target from the 32 mag on the way :D :D

Ya know, it’s sorta lonely here at the top :rolleyes: …
Be sure to bring your toys with ya big medicine, let play a game ;) …

This could get interesting. I got one group shot today with the 308MX. Here is the results of my 100 yard target with a scope. This is a 5 shot group, too bad it wasn't dead center in the bull. Speaking of bull here is the rest of the story as to why there isn't anymore groups to post.

Well here is the deal. I went out to shoot this morning. I shoot in a friends pasture. We have us a little range set up there and sometimes we have to shooot around the cows. Well this morning I went out and got set up, the cows followed me and milled around. I noticed my friend had a "new" bull and wondered when he got him?? Well as it ends up, it wasn't his bull, it was one of the neighbors from a ways away. Anyway I got one group shot out of the 308MX with the scope mounted. And I couldn't believe it. The target is a 5 shot group and just a bit left of the bulls eye. I adjusted the scope and was getting ready to fire another group when I noticed the cows were in the next pasture. So I quick drove down there and the danm fence was down. So I drove back to me friends place and we went to put the cows back in. My friend was so pissed at this other bull, he was about ready to test out the 308MX. He looked at me and said, you want some freash mountain oysters? Cuz I'm just about ready.

After about 2 hours we finally got them back in, along with the other bull. Got the fence fixed, for now. We will have to do a better job later but this should keep them in. The two bulls fought over the fence and pushed it down. This other bull came from at lest a mile away. But anyway, I got one target shot today hopefully tomorrow I can get back out.

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o239/big_medicine/DSCF0052mx100yd.jpg

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o239/big_medicine/DSCF0053mx100yd.jpg

If I ever get this baby centered it could be interesting, if i can keep them all in the center. Factory Hornady Leverevolution ammo :D

Here is one I shot today. Sorry, no flip flops. I tried an offhand but could not get 5 on the paper. I have to get the others in the center, don't I?

That looks great on the horizontal, Chief.

Have you tried using a smaller aperture or plugging the ghost ring to sharpen up your focus? I usually get those high and low fliers when I try to get the front sight lined up just so in the rear sight instead of just LOOKING THROUGH the peep sight.

It's gonna happen Chief! It looks like it was REAL close there. Looks like the accuracy is there, now you just have to hold your tongue just right, and have all the stars in alignment, and then it is going to happen, or just keep slinging lead and you will get the sight picture down and lay them all right there.

My glasses were fogging and I was not at my best. I had done some chainsaw work right before and even though it was in the 70s I had still worked up a sweat.

That is the small appeture and I have a small ID vacuum tube stuck in that so it is pretty small. I think the over aiming thing with the ghost ring rather than just concentrating on the front sight focus and letting the ring center itself is some of my problem.

I just have a hard time repeating the same set up for 5 shots. Always have. Coarse that is the game ain't it.

My glasses were fogging and I was not at my best. I had done some chainsaw work right before and even though it was in the 70s I had still worked up a sweat.

That is the small appeture and I have a small ID vacuum tube stuck in that so it is pretty small. I think the over aiming thing with the ghost ring rather than just concentrating on the front sight focus and letting the ring center itself is some of my problem.

I just have a hard time repeating the same set up for 5 shots. Always have. Coarse that is the game ain't it.

It is the same with scopes bro. Just the tiniest bit of parallax and...

I need a kisser button on my stock. :D

I honed out my sizer die so it would barely hit the high spots and that helped a lot. Decided to tinker with the load a little, I have been shooting the same charge of H322 that I had been using with the Beartooth bullets.

I can't remember If I have ever mentioned this before; I sure do like my 32-20. :D
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k191/KGKILBY/Saeco14.jpg

Now all I have to do is clean some brass, find some powder and assemble some ammo. Hope ya got enough prizes to go around. May have to practice, saw some fairly good targets already posted... Nah, why? Cold is what I've have to do in real life so that's what you'll get.

Ranch Dog, is sitting behind my X-sticks still ok? I still ain't built that bench!

Welcome to the match sas93 and wcf30-30. We have been remiss in keeping up.

Ranchdog, Is the "pending" supposed to be by wcf30-30's score? If not, I used a Lee sizing die. What about that .423 score. :eek:

Welcome to the match sas93 and wcf30-30. We have been remiss in keeping up.

Ranchdog, Is the "pending" supposed to be by wcf30-30's score? If not, I used a Lee sizing die. What about that .423 score. :eek:

Ken...

I will go back and correct that. The "Pending" was supposed to be against WCF's entry as he did not list his sizing die. I don't know how I managed to get it against your's :confused:

You know the way to beat a tie... shoot more targets!

Ken,
I'l trying to resolve the situation for both of you!! ;)

Its sure lucky for us that the post office lost BIg Medicine's .2in. group! Hope you took a copy of it!

Shot a gooden today :eek: using big medicine's load... :D

You fellers jest keep a talkin thet thar smack and ah'll be forced ta shoot a couple of targets!! ;) See certificate below. :D

Jeeze fellers,

I didn't mean to scare ya'll off! I suppose I need to remember that I am such a legend here. :D :D :D

p.s. I don't wear flip-flops :p

p.s. I don't wear flip-flops :p

The reason VTDW doesn’t wear flip-flops is twofold…One is that they don’t come with instructions and two, they are not marked left an right :p :D …

Better get some with mud-cleats for next weekend :eek:

I'm back from a week of toddy's and trout fishing in the North Central PA and I'm ready to bear down and concentrate on shooting some good targets for the pm!! Looks like I have to pin Bullseyes on the usual culprits plus Dr A. This is just a warning, I'm coming after you, flip flops and all!!
Mike B

Dr. A is a usual culprit, you just missed him last year :D

Dr. A is a usual culprit, you just missed him last year :D

Thank goodness I mainly had to deal with Rowdy Huh? :D :D

Where is everybody? They must be going to graduations and weddings and planning vacations. Is No one out there plotting how to shake up the standings on the PM??

We’ve just been sitting around, waiting for you to get back Mike. Just like your hired tin-benders have been doing :rolleyes: ….

Don’t look now, but the scores have been updated :eek: …

We’ve just been sitting around, waiting for you to get back Mike. Just like your hired tin-benders have been doing :rolleyes: ….

Don’t look now, but the scores have been updated :eek: …
Wow! It just gets worse every week!

I stopped in and looked at the two used Marlin .444s the one shop has near me. He hasn't dropped the price yet. They are like new but I can't convince myself to pay $350/375 to hurt myself every time I pull the trigger!
I'm just going to get out the 25-35 and get serious! :D

Wow! It just gets worse every week!

Ahh whats wrong Mike, not having fun this year :p ...

I'm back for a few days. I been ording some reloading supplys. I went to midway to order some 444 brass and they were out. No back order. This is a bad sign.

I'm back for a few days. I been ording some reloading supplys. I went to midway to order some 444 brass and they were out. No back order. This is a bad sign.

Grafs has 444 Rem. nickle but man it is spendy :eek: ..

Where is everybody? They must be going to graduations and weddings and planning vacations. Is No one out there plotting how to shake up the standings on the PM??

It;s a busy time of year for most people. I wanted to shoot both my 1895G and MR in the Scope - Bench & Offhand this week. Five days off and each and every one of those days consumed with ranch work. All good stuff and about 90% centered on my deer and hunting them.

Now you have made me feel real good, Michael. I have to have a < 1.0" to get on the first page. I think I will break out the 44 mags and make my own chart and see how I do.;)

The number of shooters is getting to large to capture in one image so I have to split them up some how.

I want on that 1st page so bad I can taste it. I may get to shoot tomorrow. I have all the forearm and mag tube off and I will get some groups if it takes all day. Well I have ammo for half a day, anyway.

Thanks Michael. You know I don't care how you do things. I am so greatful for your great postal match.

I want on that 1st page so bad I can taste it. I may get to shoot tomorrow. I have all the forearm and mag tube off and I will get some groups if it takes all day. Well I have ammo for half a day, anyway.

Thanks Michael. You know I don't care how you do things. I am so greatful for your great postal match.

Just hang in there brother. We all know determination and practice will (already has) pay off for you.

Dave :cool:

What a bummer, this one truly hurt :confused: …

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k114/Rowdy_444/000_0202.jpg

Some would call it a flyer, but I have a few more descriptive words to call it :D …

Keep on shooting Chief, you’ll get there…

I could just scream if it wasn't so much fun!!
I took two 30/30's to the range this afternoon and shot 9 targets with them. Just about everyone of them had three or four touching shots but that dangone fifth one a good 1" away!Aggggh! I gave up and practiced shooting the 150 & 200 yd gong's offhand. Shot a 120 rds of 30/30 and left with no good targets but had a great time!

Here's a couple examples of my afternoon!

What a bummer, this one truly hurt :confused: …

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k114/Rowdy_444/000_0202.jpg

Some would call it a flyer, but I have a few more descriptive words to call it :D …

Keep on shooting Chief, you’ll get there…


Obviously that bullet saw there was no room for it in the center of that target! :D

Obviously that bullet saw there was no room for it in the center of that target! :D

LMAO Mike :D :D Looks like we both had a good day at the range :) I said" the bad word" at the range today, so i need to get the bottle of JD out and wash my mouth out good :eek: :D

LMAO Mike :D :D Looks like we both had a good day at the range :) I said" the bad word" at the range today, so i need to get the bottle of JD out and wash my mouth out good :eek: :D

I'm sure you said a bad word because I said one when I saw your target too! That's frustrating!

Chief Rid,

I would be willing to bet a phone call could shrink your groups bro. Let me know.

Rowdy, you were just making an excuse to check out the JD and we all know it!! :D

Mike, I don't care what ya say bro, that is some fine shooting there.

Dave :cool:

No luck at all today. Groups were lousy. I did have about 20 rounds thru it and that has been enough to start to lose accuracy before. I will clean and try again before puting the furniture back on. I am running out of hard cast for now also. I have enough for a few more targets.

VTDW, your offer is intrieging. I hope you know the history of this little 1894. It has a .429 restriction at the breech and one at the muzzel. It shoots jacketed OK with some groups that are acceptable even at 100yds but groups fall apart at 75 yds with hard cast bullets. I am shooting .432 hard cast with OK success as long as I stay in that 75 yd range. I have firelapped the barrel twice. The restrictions are still there.

I think I am going to have to live with this one unless you have a radical idea.

Where is everybody? They must be going to graduations and weddings and planning vacations. Is No one out there plotting how to shake up the standings on the PM??

Just got back from a week at the beach. Tanned, rested and ready. :D

Just got back from a week at the beach. Tanned, rested and ready. :D

You didn't see Steelbanger or any other of the Big east Team while there did you? We gotta get on the stick, we're losing ground to all those guys west of the Miss. River! :D :D

I took the wife out kayaking today, gotta keep her happy

I took the wife out kayaking today, gotta keep her happy
Maybe you gotta teach her to shoot?

I've been working on it for about the past 7 years, so far, the 1911 is the only thing she really enjoys. IMHO, she really hasn't given them all a fair shake. Usually, I just have a hard time getting her to go to the range with me

I've been working on it for about the past 7 years, so far, the 1911 is the only thing she really enjoys. IMHO, she really hasn't given them all a fair shake. Usually, I just have a hard time getting her to go to the range with me
To be honest you're doing better than I did with my wife. She mumbles sometimes about needing time away from me, can you imagine that??? :D

No luck at all today. Groups were lousy. I did have about 20 rounds thru it and that has been enough to start to lose accuracy before. I will clean and try again before puting the furniture back on. I am running out of hard cast for now also. I have enough for a few more targets.

VTDW, your offer is intrieging. I hope you know the history of this little 1894. It has a .429 restriction at the breech and one at the muzzel. It shoots jacketed OK with some groups that are acceptable even at 100yds but groups fall apart at 75 yds with hard cast bullets. I am shooting .432 hard cast with OK success as long as I stay in that 75 yd range. I have firelapped the barrel twice. The restrictions are still there.

I think I am going to have to live with this one unless you have a radical idea.

Maybe relining the barrel? Consistent bore diameter and you can choose a faster twist rate.

My good load has gone bad in this hot weather, I backed the charge off a good bit and it seems to have started grouping again.

Something to consider.

Well,
I have been gone on vacation since the 9th of June. Had a great time with the family. We went to Fort Robinson, NE. Then off to the Black hills, then over to Story, WY for a couple days, then up to Custer Battlefield, then over to Cody, WY for a couple days, down to Thermopolus, WY, Then on to Fort Larime, Had to go to Cablea's in Sidney, NE yesterday to exchange our tent. The zipper broke about the 2nd day of vacation we "fixed" it with safety pins and velcro to get by. But I know why I buy stuff from Cabela's. They are top notch to deal with. They treated us right and I have a brand new tent now.

We saw a lot of history, some places it is the 4th or 5th time I have been there and I still find it interesting. I saw Tom Horns Marlin 1893 in the museum in Buffalo, WY and my son had his 7th Birthday in Cody, WY. We spent two days at the Buffalo Bill museum. The little fart knows a lot about guns. We were looking at the Marlins and he was telling me all about them. Some older guy was standing there listening to him. He looked at me and smiled and said "The kid knows what he is talking about" :D

Now it is time to get ready to go back to work. I have to be back the 21st. Need to get the lawn bailed tomorrow and get something to kill this stupid white clover. The it is time to get back and get serious about the PM. Looks like a real slug fest for second place :eek: ;)

I see Rowdy likes that Trail Boss load for the 45-70. It really seems to shoot. I have several groups almost exactly like the one her posted :mad: I think Mike is right, that one bullet just knows there isn't room in the center of the target ;) :p

I have a bunck of loads all ready to go for the 308MX so I need to get them tested. Time to get shootin.........

On an added note. Had an experience in Cody. We went to the shoot out they have in the street outside the Irma Hotel. There was some jerk sitting next to us, you know the kind, one look and you know they are an a$$. Any way one of the actors asked if they are any military folks in the crowd and there were a couple kids getting ready to go to Iraq. He asked that everyone stand and clap for them. This jerk remained seated....Wrong thing to do!!

I looked at him and said that was about the most disrespectful thing I had ever seen. He came back with a remark about not believeing in the war. My blood was starting to boil by them. I leaned down in his face and said something to the effect that "It doesn't matter if you believe in the war or not. There are kids going over there and giving there lives and limbs for the service of their country, they may not believe in it either but they go and do their duty. I wouldn't expect anything less from some Birkenstock wearing, granola eating DB (female hygine bag) like him." He had this surprised look on his face and said "What" I leaned a little closer and said "You heard me, but if you need me to repeat it I will, and I'll make sure you understand it." I told him that he was lucky my wife and kids were there or I would have already explained it so he could understand it. By this time the veins and tendons in my neck must have been popped out.

He got up and left. Then some guy behind me said to me. "That was very well said son" I turned around there was a vet wearing a cap that said once a Marine, always a Marine. I said Thank you sir. He said "I was just gonna slap the Sh#$ out of him" Afterwards the vet and I talked. I told him that I usually didn't have that short of a fuse, but my friend just lost his son the 23rd of April in Iraq, and it was as close to loosing my own son as I can get, and that the words were comming out of my mouth before my brain was engaged. He said well it save him an a$$ whopping. we met a lot of great people on vacation, by far a lot more good people then jerks. God I love this country!!

Good deal, Big Medicine. My brother lives in Cody, I hope it weren't him, he prolly needs a slapping on general principals though.

Well this year it looks like I'm finally gonna enter. After a long day at the range and a lot of trouble with some QR rings that wouldn't stay tight I swaped out the rings and got one target shot for the match. First two shots alright, last three opened up considerably as I didn't let the barell cool at all. Stupid me.


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I'd like to see some pics of where you gents are shooting. Here are two pics of the range I was at last weekend. Bearms at 25, 50, 100, 200, 300 and 500yds and a nice covered platform to shoot from. I doubt I'll be anywhere near the top ten this year, but i'm really excited to be participating at all, especially with that hog hunt as a prize!


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Thanks Big. I would like to say more from my son in Iraq but I can't for security issues and he don't talk much anyway. They will keep fighting for the freedom of Iraq so that dead head can keep being an offended American. I will never understand how they can live in this country when they hate it so much. Just don't make ...........You know I could go on and on but, I might get to shoot the next couple days. I am off till Monday. Going up the road to Bass Pro today to look around. I need a new cot for hunting season. Mine got stollen last year by a meth head.

Nice pics matt and good shooting. We will get there this year if we keep trying. I have pics of three places I shoot. My range first then Fort Jackson in Columbia SC(it is just a public off hours type range there, they have real ranges too.) and then a couple pics from a public range run by the Forest Service near Chester SC.

Sorry. Only the FTJackson pic was small enough. Sorry.

Big Med,

The beer is on me brother!!!

My granddaughter is in the guest room asleep, no doubt dreaming about going shooting today with grandpa. BUT it rained like heck AGAIN last night!! We cannot get out to our place to shoot unless it has dried for at least a day and we can't even go check the hawg feeder because the low water crossing will be up too high to cross unless Big Med will take us across one at a time on his back. ;) I had planned to finally enter the fray for second place too! I have lived here since 72' and have never seen so much rain but it is a good thing as we sure had been in the middle of a bad drought. My fescue lawn, all one acre of it is getting disease even. Once she wakes up I think we will go to our local greasy spoon and get some breakfast and drive down town to the indoor range and give it a try. She can shoot her NEF .243 there at 35 yards and really likes to shoot one of my .38 pistols.

Thank God for people like Big Med and all who serve/have served that I can even sit here and type this while my granddaughter sleeps in absolute saftey and without fear.

Dave :cool:

We sure have an inordinate amount of ties. Last year the scores were rounded to .010 and this year to the .001 but there are many more ties this year.

Ranchdog, when's the last time you changed the oil in your target measuring apparatus? :D

I actually tune it up once a week, prior to measuring the week's worth.

I'm running a bit behind this week with ranch work will have the latest targets up in a couple of days.

We sure have an inordinate amount of ties. Last year the scores were rounded to .010 and this year to the .001 but there are many more ties this year.

Ranchdog, when's the last time you changed the oil in your target measuring apparatus? :D

Ken,

No sniveling allowed. We all know the dog chewed up your favorite shooting thongs, but get over it dude :p …

You have the power to break the tie yourself :rolleyes: …

Big Med,

The beer is on me brother!!!


Thank God for people like Big Med and all who serve/have served that I can even sit here and type this while my granddaughter sleeps in absolute saftey and without fear.

Dave :cool:

Thanks Dave, but it isn't guys like me, it is kids like PFC Jeffrey Alan Avery who would have been 20 today. He gave his life April 23rd. They are the ones who give us and have given us the things we hold so dear in life, our freedom. God bless them!

Ken, I'm going to try my best to fix the situation with the tie ;) Dr.A and I are going to do some fine tuning to the 32 mag this weekend :cool: :D

Don't leave one in the barrel :o :o

Don't leave one in the barrel :o :o


I'm gonna try not to ;) You ought to drive up Dave. You and Dr.A and I would be able sit down, cook up some roadkill on the grill, and have a beer or two :D

My daughter, son in law and the good Lord made me a first time grandfather on Monday. A healthy baby boy! The good vibes kept going all week because I finally shot some targets I'm not ashamed to send in. I got a Marbles tang sight for the old Savage .303 and what a difference to these old eyes. I also put a Williams Reciever sight on an old (1948) Marlin 336RC and both guns love lead bullets. I just didn't have the right sights or eyes until this week. I shot mostly iron sights and I scanned a couple below. I did try the other Marlin with the scope on it and I might have an offhand scope to send in but first I have to check KenK's, someone told I wasn't allow to send in any bigger than his!! :D :D :D

No shooting this weekend, going to visit the kids and new grandbaby but I'll be back at it next week.

I'm gonna try not to ;) You ought to drive up Dave. You and Dr.A and I would be able sit down, cook up some roadkill on the grill, and have a beer or two :D

Let me know earlier next time. I would love it.

Mike, congratulations on the new grandson.

Well here is where I shoot. Nothing fancy just a pasture with a pond dam for a back stop.

I have to shoot around the cows every now and them.

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o239/big_medicine/DSCF0061cows.jpg

This a zoom shot. The close sign is 25 yards, the middle one 50 and the far one 100.

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o239/big_medicine/DSCF0063range.jpg

this is the reg lens from the shooting bench.

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o239/big_medicine/DSCF0062range.jpg

Congratulations Mike on the new addition to your family :D :D .

I been on a bummer the last few days…It seems the nickel plated 444 brass I got for the XLR has somehow scratched my sizing die…I’m thinking the best thing to do will be to get new dies for the brass cases and use the scratched ones for the nickel :confused: …

Congrats Mike!!!

Congrats Mike. All the best. Good shooting too.

So Mike,......Have you got that little fellow a new rifle yet :D ;)

JB,
When are we going to see some targets from the 32 spl?

well, I've got three lousy ones, I need more powder to load up and then I can get to shooting

:cool: new looks to the scoreboard page Ranch Dog... :)

I am having trouble posting my latest target. I will try again. I don't know where the flier came from. I will not send this one in. I am going to put the forearm and mag tube back on and get sighted in for hunting now. The stuff being off does not seem to improve the groups that much.

I told myself I was going to keep my mouth shut but I changed my mind. Ya’ll can call me a “sniveler” or a poor sport but the fact remains that I don’t think the targets are scored correctly. I look at numbers for a living and these don’t make sense. Something flaky is going on with the target measuring software or input device.

Ranchdog, you changed five scores that I could see: three scores increased exactly .014, one score went down .014 and one score went down .028. A net of zero.

If you measure targets 24,170,179,175, and 188 with a pair of calipers and a pencil you will see that I’m right.

At any rate I’m really done now. I am taking this way to serious and that is not in the spirit of the match as I see it.

We have the oldest grandson “Shorty” staying with us. He’s almost 13 and has been buggin me for the past year to shoot my 444. He’s big enough I think to finally handle it. I went to Sportsman’s Rip-Off Store and found a Past recoil pad that will help him out for the first time. Hopefully if he can get five on the target, we’ll be submitting a target into the 50yd open sight match…I’ll try to get some pix’s, the look on his face after the first round should be a good one :D :D :D …

Sorry for the sniveling remark KenK :o My remarks were made in jest and not ment to offend ;)

I told myself I was going to keep my mouth shut but I changed my mind. Ya’ll can call me a “sniveler” or a poor sport but the fact remains that I don’t think the targets are scored correctly. I look at numbers for a living and these don’t make sense. Something flaky is going on with the target measuring software or input device.

Ranchdog, you changed five scores that I could see: three scores increased exactly .014, one score went down .014 and one score went down .028. A net of zero.

If you measure targets 24,170,179,175, and 188 with a pair of calipers and a pencil you will see that I’m right.

At any rate I’m really done now. I am taking this way to serious and that is not in the spirit of the match as I see it.

Ken,
Don't throw in the towel just yet, they fat lady hasn't sang yet. I'm sure Michael will look at any targets that anyone has a concern over. The only scores that matter are the very last ones ;) you can't let Rowdy get off this easy :eek:

I'm sure Michael will get it all straighten out. Hang in there, it isn't over yet. ;)

After all, we are shooting to get to know our rifles and ammo. A little ribbing along the way is well, just plain fun. I plan on winning the Bench Scoped anyway so why worry about it. :D

Dave :cool:

I figured out at least part of it.

From the P.M site:

Scoring the target
The size of the 5-shot group will be measured from the center of the bullseye to the center of the furthest bullet hole from the center.

The larger of the shot coordinates, horizontal or vertical, is used to establish the target score. A negative number simply represents a shot left of the centerline (horizontal coordinate or below the centerline (vertical coordinate).

What this results in:

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k191/KGKILBY/Solution.jpg

Ken,

I have an extra set of Starrett Trammel Points I can send ya. :D :D :p don't whip out the Algebra on us pleeeze. ;)

Just kiddin ya bro

Dave :cool:

So Mike,......Have you got that little fellow a new rifle yet :D ;)
I'm thinking about a .444 Marlin what da ya think?

I'm thinking about a .444 Marlin what da ya think?


Sounds like a good idea. By the time the little guy is old enough to shoot it. You should have the loads all worked up, and that action should be smooth as butter. ;)

Mike,

What I did was buy my grandsons a Marlin that was manufactured in the year of their birth (by serial number). I had intended to keep these rifles set aside but my family has encouraged me to hunt and shoot with them and record the passage of time in photos.

So with this in mind, I've now gone back and have insured that I've got just about any year past of the mondern 336/444/1895 production covered just incase some wandering soul jumps up out of the wood pile!

Here are pix of where I shoot…That’s “Shorty” first time with the 444, that smile was still on his face an hour later… We only shot 1 target each, thought I’d end the lesson on a positive note. The new recoil pad works but I didn’t want him to get beat-up too bad the first time…Of course now he wants to know when are we going back to shoot more…

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k114/Rowdy_444/000_0224.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k114/Rowdy_444/Image001.jpg

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25 – 200 yds

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Shorty’s PM Target; I think last nights lessons in sight picture and trigger pull are paying off :D :D …

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danny

Mike,

What I did was buy my grandsons a Marlin that was manufactured in the year of their birth (by serial number). I had intended to keep these rifles set aside but my family has encouraged me to hunt and shoot with them and record the passage of time in photos.

So with this in mind, I've now gone back and have insured that I've got just about any year past of the mondern 336/444/1895 production covered just incase some wandering soul jumps up out of the wood pile!

That is such a great idea I wish I had kids. I guess my only neice will have to do, but at three she's not into anything but dolls right now. I will have to wait, but should do some shopping for 2004 models.

That is such a great idea I wish I had kids. I guess my only neice will have to do, but at three she's not into anything but dolls right now. I will have to wait, but should do some shopping for 2004 models.

Adopt me William and get me a 45-70 CB!! ;)

Looks like Shorty is going to have this shooting down :D

Mike,

What I did was buy my grandsons a Marlin that was manufactured in the year of their birth (by serial number). I had intended to keep these rifles set aside but my family has encouraged me to hunt and shoot with them and record the passage of time in photos.

So with this in mind, I've now gone back and have insured that I've got just about any year past of the mondern 336/444/1895 production covered just incase some wandering soul jumps up out of the wood pile!

Thanks, That sounds like very sound advice and fun to boot!

I would but since you are OLDER than me it just wouldn't look proper. :eek:
Adopt me William and get me a 45-70 CB!! ;)

Looks like Shorty is going to have this shooting down :D

He would if his dad got him some more range time, I guess that's what gramp's are for :D

So is anybody shooting? I got two targets sent in today for the 32 mag and the 1895 LTD II :D

JB....where are your targets dude?? All's ya need is 5 holes on the paper, that Winchester should be able to do that ;)

It will put 5 on the paper, I have 3 targets that I am saving to save on postage. I need to get more powder to make more targets then I can get down to business

I sent targets in last week. Have to get back to shooting again.

I’m trying to close the door, but cant quite ‘get er done’ :p …That’s OK the mail dude just left me 500- 405gr Laser Cast, that ought to do. I sent in a target last week and have another that was shot today ready to go…
The more I shoot the factory Hornady gummy bullets, the more impressed I am with them. They are still expensive, but I can now find them locally. $18.95 for the 45-70 and $25.95 in the 444 :eek: …

I’m trying to close the door, but cant quite ‘get er done’ :p …That’s OK the mail dude just left me 500- 405gr Laser Cast, that ought to do. I sent in a target last week and have another that was shot today ready to go…
The more I shoot the factory Hornady gummy bullets, the more impressed I am with them. They are still expensive, but I can now find them locally. $18.95 for the 45-70 and $25.95 in the 444 :eek: …


They do shoot good. Wish I could afford to shoot it for the match.

I sent in 3 targets...finally!! Two with the .308MX and one with the T and all 100 yd scoped. Oughta work. :p Too much rain here to make a go of a day at the range. 20 days straight rain here in the great Southwest...go figure. must be global whining eh? ;)

Had the range all to myself tonight and it was a beautiful evening. put up and shot 10 targets for the PM. Funny thing is only 2 are worth sending in. I guess I should be glad for that. I'll be sending in a bench and an offhand for the open sights with my Marlin 45 Colt.

Were all the 10 with the same rifle? If so, that makes me feel a bit better. I really need to shoot more targets. Good shooting Mike!

I figured out at least part of it.

From the P.M site:

Scoring the target
The size of the 5-shot group will be measured from the center of the bullseye to the center of the furthest bullet hole from the center.

The larger of the shot coordinates, horizontal or vertical, is used to establish the target score. A negative number simply represents a shot left of the centerline (horizontal coordinate or below the centerline (vertical coordinate).

What this results in:

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k191/KGKILBY/Solution.jpg

Ken has brought up a very valid point of how GSC measures a bullet hole. I've spent about 6 hours working with the GSC and I'm not very happy with the repeatability of this software. I've also noticed some scaling issues with my HP Scanner. Unfortunately for me and you, it means that each and every one of the 260+ targets will need to be re-scored. Right now, it seems as though the best solution is a table top and calipers. THIS WILL BE A VERY SLOW PROCESS because of my work load at the ranch and work. In the next day or two (I have/had only 18 hours off over a ten day period), I am going to remove the scores from the scoreboards and won't be able to do the weekly posting that I have been doing. I will place this same notice on the web site.

In all honesty, don't expect to see the scoreboards until after the match closes, I can't begin to relate the amount of time that I've lost scanning and scoring the targets. I've just started my farming here on the ranch and it pretty much occupies my available time through planting which is scheduled for September 19. Whitetail deer food plots trump Postal Match (and everything else my wife will tell you).

I really appreciate Ken bringing this up, I mean that. I want it right. I even came up with a way to beat the radius by rotating the target image with the furthest hole horizontal or vertical so either the X or Y measurement is correct. That is where I started to recognize the repeatability problem with the software. I have found some on screen rulers and calipers that work and which would allow me to use all the scanned images but that is where I found inconsistent scaling issues with the images from the HP scanner. Like I said, the best solution might be a table top and caliper. Where is my dog when I need her, she could have always just ate the targets (and she would have)!

The only thing I can say right now is HOLY CRAP! Please keep the targets coming, let's not let this end the match. It will be a day or two until I get to the web site and I won't go into the details that I have here.

Dang Ken. I have to appoligise. I thought you were just being persnickity. I sure hate this. I wish there was another way to do this. I know you want it right Michael but isn't there some other way that would require less work. You already do enough. I am sure, since this is just for fun and nothing but bragging rights on the line, we can come up with a better, easier solution to this. Just for this year. Maybe rescore only the targets that are in contention for the coveted place thingys that go with the people posting. I know I don't care if I am 20th or 30th.

You could put an * by this year like they do in baseball. I don't even think everyone would have to agree. Just do it Michael. I don't think it would bother any of us.

Thanks Chief but I'd rather see things right... I mean the reputation of the lever is at stake here! Don't want them bolt guns thinking we can't cut a good measure. I took a nap and got back at it. I found several downloadable measuring tools and the bottom line is not one of them is worth a hoot for repeatablility when you move from .XX" out to .XXX". I will get it figured out.

I truly am sorry to have upset the apple cart. Words can't describe how much I have enjoyed shooting in this match. And yes, I'm sure I take it too seriously.

Ranch Dog, the simplest solution would be to simply eyeball the center of the bullet hole and measure with a scale to the nearest 1/16 or 1/32. Maybe get a little closer on the top five or ten.

This is what they use in registered bench rest competiton.
http://www.neiljones.com/html/target_measuring.html
I have no idea how quickly that would work.

If you figure out how you want to measure, I would be willing to withdraw from the match and help score targets.

Were all the 10 with the same rifle? If so, that makes me feel a bit better. I really need to shoot more targets. Good shooting Mike!
Yeah, While I let the barrel cool I was shooting my new HR 1871 Classic in 38-55 and having even less success. I wish I could say I can pick up my gun and shoot a good target anytime but that would only be true if you only counted the best 4 out of 5! :D

Ahh bummer Ranch Dog. Maybe the simplest fix, would be to ask for a show of hands from those who want their target rescored and let it go at that. No since in going back thru 250+ targets.
I don’t believe I’ve ever seen a benchrest shooter shoot out the center of a target. Trying to reference the center of a RD target is the problem when it’s gone. The only way I have found, and its sort of iffy at best is to secure an unfired target under the shot target to locate the center. But this only works if both targets came from the same printer.
Michael, please let me know if there is anything I can do to help out :) …

Maybe this isn’t the right time to bring this up but, to help make the scoring easier for RD Postal Match VI. I say we change the yardages for the benchrest matches to open the groups up. Shoot open sights at 100yds, and scopes at 200yds :eek: .

Danny

It doesn't solve the problems you have described with repeatability but a simple solution to correct the methodology of the scoring would be to simply plug the X,Y coordinates into an excell spreadsheet and solve for the other side.

Put the X dimension in column "A" and the Y in column "B".
The formula for the score would be =SQRT((AxA)+(BxB))

It doesn't solve the problems you have described with repeatability but a simple solution to correct the methodology of the scoring would be to simply plug the X,Y coordinates into an excell spreadsheet and solve for the other side.

Put the X dimension in column "A" and the Y in column "B".
The formula for the score would be =SQRT((AxA)+(BxB))

Woosshhh- what was that sound? Oh that was just Ken’s math and computer solution going right over my head :D …KenK doing fractions again this early in the AM, making my head hurt :confused: …

I'll have to throw in my 2 cents. I guess the scores are just not a huge deal for me. I shoot this match to have fun, and to keep my skills up for hunting season. It has been an excuse to buy new rifles over the past 5 years, and shoot even more. What has been fun is all the crap we dish out to one another. For me, once it gets too serious, it is not as much fun.

If the scoring is consistant and we know that it the way it is then that is good enough for me. I don't want Michael to have to go to great expense of money and time to have to do this. I'm sure that all that he does for this match starts to become a pain in the a$$ after a while. He has his flying job, his boolet mold company, his ranch, and God only knows what else that he has to do. I don't feel that it is fair to have him go to great expense for this match. It was designed as a fun match with bragging rights as the trophy.

It isn't like anyone "wins" anything with a #1, or #2 score. The very bottom score has just as much of a chance to win the big prize as the top score does, and that I believe is the beauty of the match. No one should be discouraged from sending in a target, the goal is to promote shooting and get people involved and have fun. And I guess I don't take it any more serious than that. Sure, every time I go out to shoot, I'm trying to beat the top score, or at lest better my top score. I may never be able to catch Rowdy with his target or Dr.A with his taget, and that is ok as long as I can tell myself that I tried. It always gives me something to shoot for.

We have always posted pics of targets to tease each other, I wont do that any more. I truely enjoy shooting this match for the fun of it, and I don't want to see it go away, which I fear it will do when it becomes too much of a pain in the a$$ for Michael. No good deed shall go unpunished, then you reach a point where it just isn't worth the headache anymore. And that above anything else is what I believe we need to keep in perspective. I trust Michael beyond a shadow of a doubt, however he chooses to score targets that cost him the least amount of time and money is good enough for me.

Big,

I share your sentiment but I can allmost garenttee that Michael is going to do it exactly right or not at all. He can't help it. I have never met the man and I can tell you he is a tinkerer and a perfectionist.

Go get'em Michael. Rock On!

Spot on Big Med. You got the Spirit of the match. See ya at MO.

Dave :cool:

It might cut down on the work for Ranch Dog if those who don't care about their score are put in a "don't care" category with no score.

If I'm the only one that it matters to there is no need to change on my account.

I'm just grateful that Michael understands my point. I was beginning to think I was the last man alive who had heard of geometry.

My participation in the match is over for this year due to my wifes serious health condition, but I agree with Big Medicine in that the scoring should not be a stressful, time consuming job for RD. As long as all targets are scored in the same consistent manner, that's all that matters. Like Rowdy suggested above to RD. . . let the current measurements stand.

Human nature makes some folks much more competitive than others and their need to win takes top priority for them. To those types of folks I ask please don't forget this is a fun match, with the primary intent of teaching us about the capabilities of ourselves and our rifles. I respect the capabilities of all the participants in RD's Postal Match. And as participants we all owe Michael our gratitude for hosting this great match. Like most of you, I can put up with the boasting, BS, and opinions, but finding fault with the host should lead to your invitation to leave.

Now, get out and shoot some targets, send 'em to RD. I think that secretly he isn't happy unless he's up to his knees in targets to be measured.

KenK, you have a PM sir.

I don't care about my score, my targets aren't going to be competitive anyway

It might cut down on the work for Ranch Dog if those who don't care about their score are put in a "don't care" category with no score.

If I'm the only one that it matters to there is no need to change on my account.

I'm just grateful that Michael understands my point. I was beginning to think I was the last man alive who had heard of geometry.

Ken,
For me it isn't a case of not understanding your point, I do understand. It just isn't as criticle for me. I have already sent Michael and email telling him he can toss my target and remove it from the score. I care more about the match then my score, and I wouldn't loose a minute of sleep if that target is taken out of the running. I'll just try and shoot a better one. Don't get me wrong, I like the competition, that is partly what drives me to out shooting several times a week, trying to out shoot the top scores or at lest my own best score, but I'm not going to split hairs. And I want to know I have no ill will towards you, it is just a difference on the way we look at it. Something are more important to different folks.

I also have no problem with my targets scored in the I don't care catagory, and not considered for first through third place. Because for me this pays off in the field.

This is really the ONLY shot of the year that makes any difference to me. Now, this is serious business for me, the rest is all fun. ;)
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o239/big_medicine/DSCF002306deer.jpg

I have no ill will towards anyone about this either, especially not Ranchdog. It really does seem that I'm the only one that it matters to. I wish I had never brought it up.

I think Michael was getting there anyway Ken. He will work this out. It will not be a problem. I would love to have the sticker next to my name next year. Hang in there. If I know Michael, this ain't going to be a biggy. The man is not afraid of work and he know how to do it efficiently.

Guys, after trying the best I can to measure my target,” Ken’s points are valid”... And he has offered to help with the target scoring; I think we should let him…

That seems fair and just punishment for throwing the big monkeywrench and stopping up the works… :D :D :D

I nominate KenK to the position of ‘assistant scorer’ on one condition. That he remain free to compete in the match and be eligible for any and all prizes. He can even score my targets if he so chooses ;) …Do I hear a second???

I think so to Chief. I like it here and I just don't want everybody to be mad at me over this.

Ken,
For me it isn't a case of not understanding your point, I do understand. It just isn't as criticle for me. I have already sent Michael and email telling him he can toss my target and remove it from the score. I care more about the match then my score, and I wouldn't loose a minute of sleep if that target is taken out of the running. I'll just try and shoot a better one. Don't get me wrong, I like the competition, that is partly what drives me to out shooting several times a week, trying to out shoot the top scores or at lest my own best score, but I'm not going to split hairs. And I want to know I have no ill will towards you, it is just a difference on the way we look at it. Something are more important to different folks.

I also have no problem with my targets scored in the I don't care catagory, and not considered for first through third place. Because for me this pays off in the field.

This is really the ONLY shot of the year that makes any difference to me. Now, this is serious business for me, the rest is all fun. ;)
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o239/big_medicine/DSCF002306deer.jpg
Who's that guy with the nice deer and the ugly Bolt action in the picture? :D :D

I vote with most of the above. This is a fun match and it still has over 2 months to go. I think Michael should do whatever is easier for him to do. I really don't think anybody will complain if he lets the old targets stand and goes on from there or whatever he decides. If somebody does Michael could send them the targets??

Ain't nuthin' ugly 'bout that bolt action but the camo stock

I appreciate everyone's comments and please, please understand this. This is my fault and the scoring needs to be part of the match. Come on guys, there can't be a match without scoring!

There is a lot of folks looking at this from the sponsors to other shooters and we owe it to them and ourselves to have it right. It will just take me a little bit of time but please don't stop sending in the targets.

You shoot a match by trying to out shoot the other fellow, get back to it guys!

I knew it. You are da man, Michael! I was going to slow down on targets but now I am going to get this offhand thing going. I need to shoot and the RDPM needs targets.

If nothing else, it fired the board up again, it was kinda dead there for a while ;)

It doesn't solve the problems you have described with repeatability but a simple solution to correct the methodology of the scoring would be to simply plug the X,Y coordinates into an excell spreadsheet and solve for the other side.

Put the X dimension in column "A" and the Y in column "B".
The formula for the score would be =SQRT((AxA)+(BxB))

This does solve the problem in determining the score. I can add the fields to the data base but will need to go back and enter the X & Y coordinates.

I think I've got the repeatability of the software corrected by simply switching the target view from 100% to 200% when I score the target. At 100% and with the small groups, mouse movement is just not fine enough. You can actually scale the targets to 400% for really small groups.

Same with the scalability of the scanner, I figured out a way for the software to adjust it rather than relying on the scanner.

Cool,

So my MX target gets the 400 scale treatment. :D :D :D

Cool,

So my MX target gets the 400 scale treatment. :D :D :D


Dawg!!!!!!

Yep,

I sent it in last week along with a couple of others. ;)

I told wrote to Michael on the target something like:

The planets were aligned
Biorythyms were in sync
Sophia Loren appeared to me in a vision
I woke up with morning wood and figured all these were omens and I needed to shoot a Postal Match Target.

I hope it is a competitive entry to the fearsome Dr. A. I have a nice little Red Dot coming and hope to give Rowdy and you at least a modicum of competition at 50 yards.

e-mail me and let me know how the filing etc is going.

Dave :cool:

I ain't done at 50 yards pal!! I have a pile of 45-70 and 32 mag cartridges to load and i hope there is at least one center target group in the bunch :rolleyes:

I've always noticed that I can't get my targets to print with 1 inch bands. If I try to get them to print that way the target is distorted. I figured that the scoring was done from the center so it did not matter how the target was scaled, just the distance to the furthest center.

I guess that is true but it sounds like scaling is an issue with everything. Does anybody get there targets to print out to the correct scale with 1 inch rings and if so how?

I just hit print and they come out that way....then I make a bunch of copies on the copier at work ;)

Well I might not be able to get all five in the middle, but I can make um look cool… :cool:

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k114/Rowdy_444/000_0235.jpg

I have got rid of the flyers big medicine, now one small change to the sizing die and they all go in the center… ;)

VTDW- leave the wood alone :p

That works ;)

Cool,

So my MX target gets the 400 scale treatment. :D :D :D

I measure it with the yard stick I swat yellow jackets with!

I measure it with the yard stick I swat yellow jackets with!

That's OK Michael. Just as long as you don't use the fly swatter you eat raisins off of. :D

Well, it just gets better. I got the scoring figured out and database configured to do the math. First thing this morning, my computer failed. Deader than a door knob. It is a couple of month old notebook so it is winging its way back to the manufacture to see what is wrong and what will be saved.

Like I said, it just gets better. There is always the tractor waiting on me.

Just gotta ask if the notebook computer was brand new or refurbished. Had similar problems with mine, but it was a "year old" refurbished model. I also learned that the stores warranty is short and useless, as was the anti-virus software it came with. This is the 3rd OS I've had on this machine and the screen hinges are broken so it's a very small desktop in it's current configuration. Good luck with yours.
SFT
Well, it just gets better. I got the scoring figured out and database configured to do the math. First thing this morning, my computer failed. Deader than a door knob. It is a couple of month old notebook so it is winging its way back to the manufacture to see what is wrong and what will be saved.

Like I said, it just gets better. There is always the tractor waiting on me.

michael is tearing his hair out with the scoring and computer problems and everybody is quiet? I don't know what other parts of the country have been like but it's been too hot here to really enjoy going to the range. So I've been reloading some of the finest cast bullet loads made and getting ready to really open up some cans of "whoop ash" when I finally get back to the range. Ihaven't been able to put up any really good open sight targets but I feel some good ones coming! :D

Went to the gunshop today, bend down to the shelf where my magical mystery powder is kept and NOTHIN', fresh out, oh well, maybe next week

Hey SFT, it is a new Acer 5100 I bought in January. It has a one-year warranty and Acer (in Temple, TX) is waiting for me to return it. I wanted to spend today running some utilities via the E drive to see what I could do with it. It looks like all my data is safe, it just can boot up the drive. So... Acer is going to replace the drive and then it is just $$$ to recover the data. What a pain in the rear...

I've carried a laptop/notebook since they've been around. My first looked like a sewing machine in it's case. There is only one rule about a PC, it is going to fail. Might be soon or it will be later. No matter your method of protecting data, if any, good luck getting it back.

I've actually got two of these Acers, and have enjoyed them. I just wish this one had taken the dump and not the one with all my Firearms/Reloading/Shooting stuff on it.

To make me feel better, I bought another Marlin. My wife and I decided to heck with all this, we will take off and go get it. The rifle is another 336ER some fellow up in East Texas decided to sell.

Mike, make them give you the old drive, and mail it to me. Data recovery problem solved....

The new charts on the data site looks great Michael. I have not had a chance to study it yet but I will. I am in the process of backing up family pics now using flash drives and plan on a CD-DVD burner in the future for back up. I already have a two hard drives in my PC with pertinant poop backed up. I would hate to loose all those catelogged slides from the 70's till now.

Mike, make them give you the old drive, and mail it to me. Data recovery problem solved....

Okay, thanks.

Been doing too much lawn work and the sorts, about time to get back to slinging lead again...but unlike JB, I'm stocked up on powder ;)

wanna send me a can of benchmark?

Its too hot here to do much more than sit under the shade tree and drink iced-tea...102 today 104 manana with thunder storms on Sat. :eek: :eek:

wanna send me a can of benchmark?


And I just happen to have a brand new container of it that I picked up a couple weeks ago. I plan on loading some 308MX once Hodgdons gets some data on it. But i have some 30-30's that are ready to load also ;)

Its too hot here to do much more than sit under the shade tree and drink iced-tea...102 today 104 manana with thunder storms on Sat. :eek: :eek:


Then it is forest fire time :rolleyes:

Its too hot here to do much more than sit under the shade tree and drink iced-tea...102 today 104 manana with thunder storms on Sat. :eek: :eek:
It was a cool, crisp 91 degrees here in Dixie today. I been shooting a little. Put the scope back on my 32-20 and am getting ready to campaign the .44 Magnum.

It was a cool, crisp 91 degrees here in Dixie today. I been shooting a little. Put the scope back on my 32-20 and am getting ready to campaign the .44 Magnum.


That's just about too cold for flip flops..

Then it is forest fire time :rolleyes:

No chit :eek: I need to start back to work on my barrel chiller again if this keeps up... I'm thinkin 4" PVC with a cap on one end. Fill it with H2O at the range. 26" long so my CB fits..Shoot rifle #1 for five shots, put it in the chiller and then shoot #2 for five shots.. The XLR and the 444 are going to get a bit wet, but thats life :D ...

So Ken, what flavor 44 mag. did u get? :)

CO2 fire extinguisher!! :cool:

Are you loading Benchmark in your 30-30? what is the recoil like? In my 32, it seems very sharp compared to, say, 3031, even though the burn rates are supposed to be close

Rowdy,
Try those cans of compressed air like you use to clean a key board. Or even an air bubble to fill tires with ;)

Jb,
I don't really think the recoil is any worse, than any thing else that I have tried. It is sure less recoil than the 444 or the 4570 :D

Y'all will soon be in trouble. I've gotten to where I can -usually- keep 5 bullets on paper in the s