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Charshooter
03-26-2007, 10:22 PM
My father was a farmer and a consumptive hunter and fisherman. These activities were not so much a sport to him, as he also trapped quite a good deal and we grew up on mainly wild game for meat. My parents were land wealthy, but money poor during the 1930s; by the time I was born, things had improved little, but during the war years, stock prices boomed. My father was still a man who did not believe in luxuries and for this reason, we ate wild game most of the time.

I started shooting in 1940s with BB gun that pumped several times to increase power, it was more like a pellet gun we find today, then got a 22rf about eleven years old and started hunting small game, such as squirrels and rabbits. At about this time our family relocated to my father’s brother’s spread in northern Wyoming and I began shooting center fire rifles. My cousins practiced shooting 44-40 cast bullets about this time; it was lots of fun and good practice. We would cast the bullets using wheel rights and then my uncle would load the cartridges for us, I wish I could have learned hand loading back them, but at least I had an early taste at casting bullets.

I was twelve when I started deer hunting with my father. We took mainly deer and antelope. I also used a shotgun, .410 single shot and practiced on tin cans thrown in the air and bird hunted about the same age. Later, I bird hunted with my father, uncle and cousins, we were a close family and all hunted. We also would trout fish and my father became quite an angler, I always favored the southern fishing sport, bass fishing.

By the time, I was thirteen; I was subsistence hunting every year with my father and small game hunting myself. By the age of fourteen, I was consumed with hunting and fishing and I never changed.

My oldest boy had a similar gun owning background; he had a BB gun Daisy model at ten and went small game hunting and bird hunting with me since he was twelve. By the age of thirteen, he liked bird hunting but was not as exclusively interested in consumptive sports as I was and he never developed an understanding of subsistence hunting or fishing. We used to bass fish more than hunt. At sixteen, he liked team sports more than I ever did and played high school football. At eighteen, he was still deer hunting and bird hunting, but not as a regular thing. Now as an adult, he bird hunts and hunts deer rarely, but he still likes bass fishing. My younger son hunted and fished, but he always liked team sports more and he now would rather watch a football game than go hunting or fishing. My daughters both hunted but they never took to it like the boys and the one that married a hunter seldom hunts, if at all, but she likes to eat deer and is good at preparing it. Her sister has never liked hunting even though I taught her young; she always tried to avoid family outings that included hunting. She did not mind fishing as a young girl, but in her preteen years, she said it was a “redneck’ activity. She is my youngest child and was born in 1973.

One extreme hunting father raised me and I was the same with my kids. My oldest boy still hunts and owns rifles and shotguns, but he just has other interests, while I had little interest in anything other than machine work, engineering and law officer work. He was exposed to a very different culture than I was. I worked outside the home while paw was always a farmer and rancher, I was I man with a job to go off to in the morning.

Unlike my parental family, my wife and I lived on a ranch and raised stock, but held jobs. We had a good deal more money and could indulge our kids much more than my parents did my siblings and me. We always had some town contact and my wife shopped at the supermarket. My mother, on the other hand, made things from scratch and cooked wild game more than store food. I think this is the big difference today; many, or perhaps I should say most men today are not raised on the farm and do not come from depression parental families.

Most of us born during the depression years and right after it make up one generation, some call it the silent generation, but I call it the last rural generation. The baby boomers that came after us were far less likely to be raised in a rural setting. America was on its great upswing after WWII and many men had GI bill loans and benefits. They bought houses in the suburbs if cities and built subdivisions on the outskirts of towns. The children of the late 1040s and 1950s had a very different childhood experience and this has caused the greatest change in American society since the War Between the States.

I have met many younger men, who were country raised, but their numbers are diminishing and in the world of tomorrow, the idea of saving money by hunting will seem strange. Hunting will be seen as mainly a sport and in some circles, not related to hunting at all. I observed on other websites that hunting guns take a backseat to automatic pistols, AR, AK and SKS rifles. It seem the focus is on a rather extreme perhaps paranoid delusional sense of self-preservation? Is their world really filled with so much fear of human violence, or have they just lost touch with the human males natural predatory instinct?

The Rifleman
03-27-2007, 08:54 AM
You said a mouth full.

Whe you spoil your kids rotten, that's exactly what you get - rotten kids.

When you give them a car and money and let them go carousing with their friends till all hours of the night.
They aren't going to want to get up at 6 AM to go small game hunting.

When their mom can go to the store and buy food, they aren't going to be in any hurry to hunt for food.

When I hear kids say - that the only gun I have is a AK 47 or a SKS or a BAR that their grandfather brough home from some war. I say what the heck are you talking about.

Nobody in my family ever brought home a gun from a war and there has been a member of my family in every conflict since the war of 1812.

Just that by the time that my last Uncle should have gone to Vietnam - my Grand Parents turned yellow and sent him off to school so he didn't have to go.

If you think that things are bad now, just wait another 20 years.

wby proprieter
03-27-2007, 10:54 PM
personally, as being of the new generation, I am fasscinated by the older guns and don't want a semi-auto. I want my grandpaa's old .303 but, befor I get those older style guns I want a knew bolt action rifle with a high velocity cartridge because I want balance.
I think that most often if you are introduced to hunting in your early-mid or even pre teens you become more "die hard". my friends who have hunted their whole lives are less consumed by hunting , hunt less often and less variety of game. I am obsessed with it as I live on a farm where deere and coyotes are a problem and Canada's out number flys. I see what you mean about buying your own stuff. when i was young my parents bought me everything and I was rough on it, now i buy most every thing and am very serious with it and if someone breaks it they're dead, in the sense that movement may be restricted due to blunt object trauma

Lol

Chief RID
03-28-2007, 06:01 AM
I have never been more encouraged by the youth of this country. The young men and women that have joined our armed forces since 911 have to go down as some of the most fearless heroes this country have ever known. These young people knew what they signed up for and they are there for the reasons that we all wish we could be there for. It is disheartening to see the parents and grandparents of these great Americans undermining their moral by buying in to the political arguments fueled by a spineless liberal media.

Sorry for the rant. All my kids like guns and have their own and they hunt or have hunted.

tpv
03-28-2007, 06:19 AM
I have never been more encouraged by the youth of this country. The young men and women that have joined our armed forces since 911 have to go down as some of the most fearless heroes this country have ever known. These young people knew what they signed up for and they are there for the reasons that we all wish we could be there for. It is disheartening to see the parents and grandparents of these great Americans undermining their moral by buying in to the political arguments fueled by a spineless liberal media.

Sorry for the rant. All my kids like guns and have their own and they hunt or have hunted.

The fact that some kid would volunteer for the mission overseas is inspiring to me. And not many things in life inspire me anymore.
Saturday, my wife and I were going to spend the night out at the hunting lease. Since I forgot to stop for food in the city, we stopped at a store in Springtown, which is a country town.
While waiting in line to check out, I couldn't help but listen to the conversation between the little check out girl and her friend that was sacking groceries. They were talking about a junior rodeo, and who got bucked off and that their parents were there and how proud "Dad" was of one of them. Actually talking about their parents like they were friends.
They were very engaging young ladies and fun to talk to.
In the city, this probably wouldn't happen. I bet they hunted too.

DakotaElkSlayer
03-29-2007, 06:53 PM
Saturday, my wife and I were going to spend the night out at the hunting lease.

The older generations often talk of the present generations lack of interest in hunting. Sure, the numbers are down, but why? I am a firm believer that is due to a lack of available hunting land. Think about it...how much land was posted when you were a kid? Talking to my father, when he grew up, posted property was something someone rarely, if ever, seen. That isn't the case anymore....

Jim

Chief RID
03-30-2007, 03:51 AM
I think the effort it takes is a big factor. The I want, what I want, when I want it; mindset takes a toll on us all.

BigSky
04-12-2007, 02:56 PM
I'm not sure about the rest of the country, but here in Montana we have Block Management. This is where private landowners will open up there land to the public and in return I think they get $50 back per hunter or up to $1,000 per season. This fee paid back to the land owners partially comes out of our license fees. Without block management there would actually be very little land to hunt on that isnt completely overrun. Also with the block management, the land owners are then somewhat reimbursed for game damage. I participated in a game damge hunt this year and shot a cow elk in February, which is way past the regular season.
BigSky

Chief RID
04-14-2007, 03:08 AM
The hunter safety coarse requirement has been the biggest problem for mine. You can't argue with the numbers on it's effectiveness but taking an entire day or 3 evenings is a lot for a gal that just wants to hunt doves on opening day or sit with her dad in a blind a couple times a year.

I really don't care to sit thru it for the third time either. I tried a couple times thru the years to get my daughter and several friens of hers to go but it just did not happen. She is 20 now and I don't know if she will ever take the time.

I did so much want to be able to justify that little 20 ga. over-under this year.

Charshooter
04-16-2007, 06:04 PM
The older generations often talk of the present generations lack of interest in hunting. Sure, the numbers are down, but why? I am a firm believer that is due to a lack of available hunting land. Think about it...how much land was posted when you were a kid? Talking to my father, when he grew up, posted property was something someone rarely, if ever, seen. That isn't the case anymore....


Yes, the land is still there and I think there are more deer roaming the countryside today than in the 1950s, but you are right about landowners posting no hunting signs.

It seems once people did not care so much about hunters trespassing on their land. When I was young, I went on horseback traveling across neighbors land looking for a good place to hole up and get a shot. I would tie my horse up and stank the woods. My best game getting strategy was doing lots of tracking and that takes time. When the time to take game came, I would have tracked most of the movements to where I would know where the game would likely pass.

Today it is different and I think these are some of the reasons. Back when I did most of my hunting on others property, I was a neighbor, or at least people knew my father or me so they knew I was an all right guy. In addition, most hunters back then did not rent out their land for hunting, it seems that way to me, because I never met anyone then who said, “sorry son, I have that land rented out to hunters.” In addition, we hunted quietly on horseback or on foot, not using motor vehicles, which make a big difference, because many people hate the noise and the tracks left by those little four wheelers. The last reason I can think of is we carried rations that would degrade on the ground, like apples and nuts in the pocket, or jerky that you are not going to throw on the ground anyway. Today, everything comes in a plastic bag and all those plastic bags make landowners furious!

I remember one old man out is west Texas, he heard about my buddy and me from someone local, he said we could shoot all the prairie dogs we wanted to, but if we left behind any plastic bags or cans he would never let us hunt the dogs again and he seemed very admit about it, as if he would shake his fist if he were more excited!

There is also the movement that occurred to the suburbs and out of the small towns; it might be a type of prejudice but most of the old landowners I know today are out to prosecute any hunter from the city, much like a phobia set in opening day and some of these old fellas are not hunting their land, they just don’t want “city kids” on their property. This is what they say, not what I think.

unclejoe
04-16-2007, 06:54 PM
I am 38 and I just took my Hunter Safety Course and plan on hunting this fall for the first time in my life.
Not a single person hunts in my entire family or owns any type of firearms.
My parents have no idea that I even plan on going hunting. I haven't told them yet. I am sure I am going to get strange looks when I tell them. Both my parents were raised in cities and their parents were too.
I felt like the oldest man in the world at the Safety course. There were about 40 kids and 2 older women.

Kansas
04-16-2007, 08:07 PM
Welcome to the forum unclejoe and good luck with your hunting this fall. Hope you have someone you can go with as a mentor.

I am careful about who I let hunt our land since it seems we have cattle in all the pastures all the time. Usually, I feel if they are good enough to ask, I can trust them to not shoot a cow. If I see someone hunting that has not asked me, I go out and asked them "Who gave you permission to hunt here?" If they answer me with the name of the guy that owns the next pasture over, I point out the mistake and say no problem, but I remember dad having to kick a hunter off about 20 years ago who did not ask anyone permission. He is now a Sheriff's Deputy!:eek: