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Meelis
06-17-2007, 04:54 AM
Hello.
Anybody heard of wildcat cartridges based on 7,62x54 Russian?

faucettb
06-17-2007, 05:06 AM
Welcome to the forum Meelis. Rules are simple, be nice and join in.

I'm not much of a wildcatter so can't help you, but I'm sure some of our members will join in and let you know whats been done to that old Russian cartridge.

Meelis
06-17-2007, 05:21 AM
Thankyou. I hope so too. :)

Charley
06-17-2007, 08:51 AM
Lots of wildcats based on the 7.62x54R, mostly developed in Finland. I'm aware of a .25, a 6.5mm, a 7 mm, an 8 mm, a 9 and 9.2mm, and there are undoubtedly others, even a straight cased shotshell.

Meelis
06-17-2007, 12:04 PM
I have heard about them too, exept the shotshell. I know that russians made a bolt action shotgun based on Mosin(i own one that´s made in 1948), but it had a 32 gauge bore(diameter 12,7mm).
The thing is i made a wildcat of my own(7x53R), but it´s nothing like the 7x53R that SAKO used. So i wanted to know if there is anyone who has experinented with the 7,62x54R cartridge?

Snarf
06-20-2007, 06:05 AM
Actually I had a question about this myself. I have an m44 mosin-nagant and I use .311 bullets with really good results. The Lee dies that I bought for reloading came with a .308 expander, I had to get the .311 seperately. It did get me thinking though, how much trouble would it be to replace the barrel with one that had a .308 bore instead of a .311 bore? It may be silly of me to think of such a thing for a $100 rifle but it doesnt hurt to ask I suppose.

faucettb
06-20-2007, 10:10 AM
This was a question I often heard in my gunshop. Barrel blanks can run from 80 bucks for an Adams & Bennett blank to near 300 bucks for a Shilen Match Grade blank.

You also have to factor in the cost of installing the barrel which means a smith has to turn the threads and install and headspace the barrel. Cost of that can run from a hundred to two hundred.

You may end up with a shooter, but it's never going to be a pretty rifle compared to a Ruger, Remington, any commercially available rifle for about the same investment.

For me I'd say no, but given enough money anything is doable, it's your money.

Meelis
06-20-2007, 01:26 PM
It´s strange to read how cheap mosins are in The States... I bought mine for almost $200... and had to change the barrel too...(barrel was $375)

Snarf
06-21-2007, 03:57 AM
faucettb

Thanks so much for the info. Its not really feasible financially for me to do much of anything right now but I thought it would make for an interesting rifle sometime. I did actually read about a sniper competition in a recent magazine, the name of which escapes me at this time, where the writer said the coolest gun he saw, probably for sheer niftyness factor, was a custom mosin-nagant in 300 WSM. From the way it looked the guy spent quite a bit of money on that thing. He seemed to be competitive too althought I dont think he won.

Snarf

Snarf
06-21-2007, 04:12 AM
Actually I thought of another question. Is there anotether action that would work with the 54R case?

hailstone
06-21-2007, 03:05 PM
British Enfield could be made to work I would think. Would have to open the bolt up a bit and rebarrel or set back the barrel and rechamber. Already have a magazine that works with rimmed cartridges with this rifle. Since this rifle was also chambered in 45-70 makes me believe its more than a possibility.

HHI 812
06-25-2007, 12:07 AM
Hello.
Anybody heard of wildcat cartridges based on 7,62x54 Russian?
I knew a gunsmith who was converting maximum revolvers to bigger calibers. One was based off the 54R, opened to a .458" diameter, and trimmed to 1.6" Maximum cylinder length.

M1894
06-25-2007, 12:42 PM
Actually I thought of another question. Is there anotether action that would work with the 54R case?

A model 98 Siamese Mauser will work, May need to open up the bolt face, but it has a magazine designed for rimmed cartridges. I know of quite a few in 45/70's, and I have a .444 Marlin built on one with a 22" barrel.

CA Dude
07-26-2007, 04:06 PM
I'm looking into expanding the neck of the 7.62x54R case out to take a .411 bullet. I have a Siamese Mauser and a .411 contoured barrel.

I'm thinking that I should be getting close to a 405 Winchester or maybe a .411 Hawk

CA Dude