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Here is a line up of recovered bullets from the May LineBaugh Seminar in Jackson, MS

Up front are three recovered buckhshot pellets from Dixie's brand new 3.5 inch Tri-Ball III. This 1200 FPS load, with only 20 feet of travel before impact slammed its 3 ball load into the wet paper as one. The balls deformed somewhat against each other and went on to produce 3 separate "wound channels." One ball penetrated 26 inches, one exited the paper to the side (recovered) and the third pushed to a 23 inch depth.

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The flattened ball penetrated 3 inches past the bone,

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One ball exited the side of the stack at 19 inches and was lost. The remaining pellet - well see the picture!

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The center Terminator penetrated 29 inches into the wet pack. On the right is the Terminator recovered nearly 15 inches into the wet pack after powdering the cattle bone in the Bone Box.

The recovered bullet on the left was fired from a .500 Linebaugh Revolver.

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The 730 grain hard cast .73 caliber Terminator moving out at 1268 FPS, penetrated 29 inches into the wet pack. This round blasted a 4 inch wide tapering tunnel for the biggest "wound channel" of the seminar!

The slightly deformed nose of the Terminator on the left above occured when one round was fired too close th to top of the paper. It exited the paper stack near the end of its travel and slammed into the heavy pine support board.

For comparison, a Federal .416 Rigby round with a 400 grain Partition, penetrated 30 inches with a considerably smaller displacement of the test medium.

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This Terminator powdered the meat encased cattle bone and kept going into the wet pack.

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After busting through the cattle leg bone, the Terminator still pushed nearly 15 inches into the wet pack.

For more information on handgun penetration results at the Linebaugh Seminar and some interesting comments on the Terminator see:

Handgun Cartridges > Penetration Test
http://shootersforum.com/showthread.htm?t=38495

For an interesting take on penetration vs velocity, check out Randy Garrett's post:
http://shootersforum.com/showthread.htm?t=9085

Check out KAYTOD's results at a different Linebaugh seminar with Tri-Ball II - the results mirror mine.
http://shootersforum.com/showthread.htm?t=39148&page=2&pp=15

Reference this earlier post for more pattern information including from an overbored Ruger O/U.
http://shootersforum.com/showthread.htm?t=37669

For a discussion of "Just What is Buckshot?"
http://shootersforum.com/showthread.htm?t=28462

Link to a picture of the new Tri Ball III Fold crimp version.
http://shootersforum.com/showthread.htm?t=39445

Excellent!!!!
I am sure you all can see why Ole' Dixie is thankful to have Ralph and Todd as our Board of Advisors!
The two of them have erased any speculation as to the Lethal Potential of Dixie's ammo designs......period!
But, all of you already know how hard cast works......Dixie's is just bigger!
Again........All of Dixie's thanks go out to Todd, Ralph, Greg, Thomas, and all those fine customers that have put Ole' Dixie on the map in less than 36 months (36 months next August). It never could have been done without them.....And Dixie has a very long memory!
Regards, James

Also........A very special thanks to Marshall for allowing all the Dixie data to be posted on Beartooth!!!!!
Regards To All, James

Ralph, that was neat. Thanks a bunch.

Our member jwp475 was there and remarked that in addition to the wound channel, the Dixie slugs loadings rocked the penetration box like nothing else.

Sure wish I had seen it in person.

I would also like to extend my thanks to Marshall for hosting this magnificent forum.

I also want to extend my thanks to John Linebaugh, Rob Millette and the Magnolia Rifle and Pistol Club for a magnificent and eye opening seminar.

John Linebaugh is the revolversmith who invented the .500 and .475 Linebaugh cartridges and wrapped packable custom Ruger Bisley Single Actions around these powerhouse rounds.
I'm going to have to get one of John's big bore wheelguns!
Info on John's sixguns and a short clip of a .500 Linebaugh in action can be found at: http://customsixguns.com/

Some interesting info on pressure/bore diameter and power from John Linebaugh can be found at: http://www.foxwebdesigns.com/Area51/JLSixGun/articles/gunnotes.html

If you live near Jackson, MS, the Magnolia Rifle and Pistol Club has a first rate shooting facility. The club website has a full selection of pictures of the range and competitons.
http://magnoliarpc.com/

Very interesting stuff. It is amazing to me the lack of deformation in most of the recovered cast bullets.

Let's all rememnber that what you have seen and heard.......Is just "Shades of the Past". After all the Dixie Terminator is just a re-introduction, with modern components, of the famous British Cordite Paradox round.......same .730"-730 gr hard cast heat treated solid at 1200'/" avg. Also remember that I designed the load to give 1200'/" from a 20" rifled barrel. The original Parasdox load was 1200'/" from a 28" barrel. It is also true the the nose shape of the Dixie Terminator is a little flatter the the original bullet. This was done to increase the wound cavity with almost the same penetration as the original.
The ability to hold together comes from the heat treated alloy. A swaged lead slug will never give the performance you see here.......no matter what's printed on the box! I hope you noticed the comment about the .416 vs Terminator, penetration and wound channel. Does all this mean the Terminator is better than popular rifle calibers?.....No, but it does show that the original British concept for heavy game in close hunting situation still hold true against todays offerings.....and that's what all that Ole' Dixie's concept is about.
Regards, James

The ability to hold together comes from the heat treated alloy. A swaged lead slug will never give the performance you see here.......no matter what's printed on the box! I hope you noticed the comment about the .416 vs Terminator, penetration and wound channel. Does all this mean the Terminator is better than popular rifle calibers?.....No, but it does show that the original British concept for heavy game in close hunting situation still hold true against todays offerings.....and that's what all that Ole' Dixie's concept is about.
Regards, James

The Terminator Slug would certainly leave a VERY noticeably bigger wound channel in a Hog,Bison,or Bear than would a rifle despite the FPE advantage of the rifle.Again FPE fails to properly predict the wound damage of the weapon.......http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x91/jwp13051/thumb.gif

The Terminator Slug would certainly leave a VERY noticeably bigger wound channel in a Hog,Bison,or Bear than would a rifle despite the FPE advantage of the rifle.Again FPE fails to properly predict the wound damage of the weapon.......http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x91/jwp13051/thumb.gif

jwp475

I especially liked your comment on the importance of meplat in an earlier post:

"Mr. Gates is correct in his assesment of the Meplat being key, in my opion. The 416 Rigby with a reputation for penetration and it's 5000 FPE paled in comparison to the striking power of the Terminator slug as well as the wound channel. I have seen many conventional slugs in use in the game fields and testing such as these and it is not even in the same ball park as the Dixie slug. There is no way to believe it untill you see it."

I could not have said it better.

Quite frankly, I think what we have learned (or re-learned) from the tests at the Linebaugh Seminar and others with Terminator........is just a continuation of what we have learned about hard cast heat treated handgun bullets.......namely the importance of meplat area and weight (maybe I should say Sectional Density).
For a moment, let's forget the name Dixie Terminator....and think of the bullet itself! We have a .730"-730 gr bullet, moving at a modest 1200'/". If we crank it into FPE, it's nothing great....but lot's of us have spoken in the past about our doubts on the factors in the formula for FPE.....namely the Velocity being squared. If we take the same .730"-730 gr @ 1200'/" and run it through Peter Thornily, the entire output is very different....and more, or less, matches what we see so graphic from the tests at the Seminar. Also, let me remind you of the results, and pictures, that Mike G posted about the Buffs killed with his handgun! Remember the velocity?
So....what does this all prove again? Simple! We have been sold down the river with the FPE concept.
Does this mean we should throw away the .416's etc? Whoa! Let's remember where these .416's etc shine! It the BC of their bullets that keep punching out at a distance where the Terminator runs out of gas.
So we have come full circle! The concept of Terminator is the exact concept we should apply to the big heavy handgun bullets! Extremley powerful in short range/heavy game hunting situations! When the yardage gets out over 100 yards, it's time to study another concept where BC also come into play.
Does that mean these huge chucks of lead lumbering through the air, out at a distance have become puny? No, but like the old time Buff hunters....you better have a very tall vernier(sp) rear sight!
Regards, James

In an article entitled: Buckshot: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly (www.gunsandgear.com), Bryce M. Towsley reported testing buckshot penetration in wet newspaper. The reported results:

#4 Buckshot (.24 / 21 grains): 3.5 inches

#1 Buckshot (.30 / 40 grains): 5 inches

#00 Buckshot (.33 / 54 grains): 7 inches

.30-30, 170 grain soft point: 14 inches (control load)


Compare Towsley's results to the performance of The Tri-Ball III buckshot in the same type of medium.

To put it another way:

Each 00 bucshot pellet weighs 1/8th ounce. So 9 pellet loads are 1 1/8th ounces and 18 pellet loads are 2 1/4th ounces.

In comparison each Dixie Tri-Ball pellet weighs 3/4ths of an ounce. The three .60 caliber pellets together weight 2 1/4th ounces.

Each Tri-Ball then weighs as much as six OO buckshot!

Friends All!.....Over the past year, Dixie has received many emails asking....."Tri-Ball, is it buckshot or ain't it?". I suppose buckshot is as close a name as possible. But them the customer hangs on the Tri-Ball all the negative ideas may have for buckshot. Tri-Ball II (3') and Tri-Ball III (3 1/2") are really very powerful Multi-Ball loads!
There is no comparison to buckshot when it comes to Striking Power, penetration, or tight patterns!
I was somewhat concerned when Dixie's Board of Advisors told me they would be testing Tri-Ball against the infamous Bone Box at the John Linebaugh Seminar. I had really never designed in for that test.....But, it came through with flying colors, to say the least!
Last year was the first shipments to the field shooters and we received fine results. No one said the load did not perform much better that buckshot and some even killed deer beyond Dixie's recomendations. The reports on large wild hogs were impressive!
So.....Dixie will leave it up tp our satisfied customers to call it what they want to!
Regards, James

Buck Shot pales greatly in comparison to the Tri Ball load.........http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d62/jwp475/thumb.gif