This article has a cutting edge that is sure to ruffle a few feathers.


This excerpt from:

JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION
OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP

"Has it ever struck you as a little odd that in a country with a Thirteenth Amendment that outlaws "involuntary servitude of any kind",there's also a "Selective Service" system that forces men, on pain of imprisonment or death, to join the military whether they want to or not?

"Have you ever wondered why, in a country with a First Amendment that forbids abridging freedom of speech or of the press, there's also a "Federal Communications Commission" wholly dedicated to doing just that and happy to fine you if you use words it doesn't want you to use?

Have you ever been puzzled (or outraged) that in a country with a Second Amendment that strictly forbids infringement of "the right of the people to keep and bear arms", there's an entire federal bureau built to do exactly that? Or 20,000 lesser statutes and ordinances -- the very kind of thing that used to be called "Jim Crow laws" -- written to do the same? A major legal and academic cottage industry whose function seems to be making up phony justifications for doing it? And a "free press" striving implacably -- under cover of the First Amendment -- to obliterate the freedoms supposedly protected by the Second?"

Source: http://www.jpfo.org/smith-wouldntitbenicept1.htm

That is all very true.

and what about our country that is formed on the Judea-Christian morality of God where it is forbidden to even acknoledge His presence and a system of courts that is used to stifle this belief.

So what are we going to do about it?

So what are we going to do about it?
That is the $64,000 question. I know that I need to become more politically active, as in writing letters, and continue my support of the NRA. I believe that the majority is being mostly silent on the second amendment and government in general.

No question that the majority is being silent on everything in general. Me included, I suppose.

The NRA? Aren't they the ones that negotiated the deal requiring states to send lists of all mental defectives to the feds?

Here we sit like frogs in hot water.

"[The NRA's] blessing is required for any bill that enforces or creates gun laws." -- Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, July 27, 2007


Wednesday, August 8, 2007

It's truly amazing. You wouldn't think that something as controversial as gun control could fly through the House of Representatives, and then through a Senate committee without facing at least one recorded vote.

But on Thursday of last week, the Senate Judiciary Committee passed the Senate version of the McCarthy bill by an unrecorded voice vote.

The draft bill -- which is still unnumbered -- is being sponsored by the chairman of the committee, Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT). The Brady expansion provisions in this bill are identical to the ones in the McCarthy bill and would easily deny thousands (if not millions) of law-abiding citizens their right to own firearms.

As mentioned in earlier alerts, the NRA and the Brady Campaign are both in favor of this legislation. In fact, the author of the House bill, Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY), has stated there is no way this bill could pass without the NRA's support: "The National Rife Association still wields tremendous influence in the halls of Congress," McCarthy said, "and their blessing is required for any bill that enforces or creates gun laws."

The reason why some gun owners support the Leahy-McCarthy measure is they think the bill will make it easier for many Americans to regain their rights -- such as military veterans who have been illegitimately denied a firearm. What they don't realize is that this is a pie-in-the-sky promise.

Veterans will have to find a pro-gun shrink that will certify that said veteran is not a danger to himself or others. (Question: Would you ever certify that someone you don't know could NEVER be a danger to himself or others?) They will then have to hire a good attorney, take the government to court and hope they can force the FBI to delete their names from the NICS system.

It must be stressed that thousands of veterans have already been illegally banned from owning guns without being convicted of anything. Not only that, thousands more will have their names placed on the Brady list of banned buyers if this legislation passes. It is beside the point that they might be able to get their rights restored. They never should have lost them in the first place.
Further, they will be forced to spend a lot of money to regain their gun rights -- rights which were unconstitutionally stripped by the Leahy-McCarthy bill.

We've already seen that at the state level, getting your guns back -- after being decreed a supposed danger to society -- is easier said than done. Consider what is ALREADY happening in California.
University of San Francisco professor W. Michael Becker -- a licensed psychologist and attorney -- points out how in the Golden State, a gun owner can easily lose his guns if he's deemed to be a danger to himself and others. And while state law allows the gun owner to get his guns back (after he's no longer considered a danger), the retrieval process is by NO MEANS automatic.

Becker says:

Â* It might be argued, that because there is the option of a hearing,
Â* the [California] law provides a reasoned avenue for that person to
Â* regain possession.... But there is a problem with the hearing itself.
Â* In order for the seized weapons to be returned, it is not the
Â* government which must show that the person is a danger to himself or
Â* others, but rather a judge (yes, only a judge, no jury) must be
Â* convinced by a preponderance of the evidence that the person will
Â* NOT be a danger to himself or others. What has happened to the
Â* "presumed" innocent (or in this case competent) until proven
Â* otherwise?... This is a dire reversal of our typical constitutional
Â* rights.

The Leahy bill next goes to the entire Senate, but due to the fact that Congress is now in recess, don't expect to see any action on the bill until September.

UPCOMING ACTION: During the month of August, GOA members will be receiving postcards addressed to their two U.S. Senators, and one to Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY).

It is IMPERATIVE that you mail those postcards in. We want to increase the heat on these legislators by deluging them with thousands upon thousands of postcards. If you are not currently receiving GOA's mailings and postcards, you can -- for a nominal donation of only $20/year -- go to http://www.gunowners.org/ordergoamem.htm to become a member and start receiving these useful action items.

So keep up the pressure on your Senators. And please stay tuned.

I have always said that we missed our chance years ago when the guy drove his tractor into the reflector pool in Wash. I don't even know if he knew what he was there for but it is my belief that we should have been right there beside him with our squirrel guns. I think that was our last chance to make a stand and we missed it.

I used to wholeheartedly support the NRA, in fact I am a life member. The last few years I have second thoughts about them to say the least. I would think they should vehemently oppose ANY!!! new firearm legislation.
Gave the NRA fella that called wanting my support for this proposed new law a piece of my mind on the subject too, and have sent several emails.

I have sent several, non confrontational, emails as well. One specifically pointing out the direct dichotomy between their position on HR 2460 (McCarthy) and S 1237 (Gonzales/Lautenberg). None have been answered (and I'm a Life Member).

On 1237 they Boldly (and correctly) quote Harlon Carter (Pres, NRA, 1966) in the Jul 2007 of AR (Pg 10) "Judge a law by the WORST reading, at the hands of the WORST enemies of the 2nd Amendment"...

Yet they go ahead an look to the BEST reading of the McCarthy bill and SUPPORT it on those grounds.

They are either being intellectually dishonest, and part of the problem, or are ACTIVELY part of the problem.

Either way, the current NRA administration is exactly what Neal Knox thought they would turn out to be:

Washington DC PR flacks, worried about Image and Income more than RKBA.

I used to wholeheartedly support the NRA, in fact I am a life member. The last few years I have second thoughts about them to say the least. I would think they should vehemently oppose ANY!!! new firearm legislation.
Gave the NRA fella that called wanting my support for this proposed new law a piece of my mind on the subject too, and have sent several emails.

You must have gotten the same one I did. I asked him what happened to inocent untill proven guilty. And that this bill makes a person Guilty until proven inocent, and that I would never support a law like this.

Yall got me wanting to change my handle, bummer!

Story in the local paper yesterday "Thousands of vets returing from war need physcological help and they are denying it." An entire article, longer than any one I've ever seen in this local rag dedicated to insulting and demonizing vets.

We can't take the child molesters out and hang 'em, God forbid we can't even put them to sleep like a pet yet some feel the need to make criminals out of the people who volunteer to give their life in defense of those who condemn them!

Vets are already being denied gun permits, just talked to a friend of mine in PA who personally knows six vets who recently returned from the gulf who were instantly denied CCW permits without any reason given. If they choose to appeal the decision, it will cost them something like $280 in court costs just to get an appeal hearing and then if they don't prove their case to the judge's satisfaction that they should be advised of why they were denied, the judge still doesn't have to tell them. They call it the "criminal justice system" for a reason, it only works in favor of the criminals!!!

The whole thing makes me want to puke!!!!!!!!

I got a call from the RNC about six months ago asking me rate my satisfaction with the party. I gave the guy an earfull and told him exactly what I thought of the party and how absolutely disgusted I was with their actions and in-actions. He said he would forward my concerns to the party leaders in DC and they would be doing a follow up call within a few days and I would receive a written responce package via US mail ...... I've yet to get any such call or package. They also haven't called asking for money either so I guess it ain't all bad?

I filed the forms to obtain a speaking comment spot at the RNC election meeting held in Orlando a couple months back. I got my "received" confirmation via email, got a follow up phone call saying that I should receive my speaking time seven days prior to the event taking place and that if I didn't get the written notice, I should call. Never got a written notice and when I called, I was assured someone would call me back within 30 minutes with the information. I called back several more times over the next 10 days prior to the meeting, all I got was a run-around and "someone will call you back in 30 minutes". I think they are working on some other time reference because it's been a heck of a long 30 minutes.....

It's like sunshine and lollie pops government, none of them want to hear the truth about anything and God forbid that you challenge their authority in any way!

I told the wife, if any political party calls here looking for a donation, tell 'em you need the address on where to send it so we can let the septic pumping company know where to deliver it.

So what are we going to do about it?

I was astonished to read in Thomas Sowell's Random thoughts column back in May:

" When I see the worsening degeneracy in our politicians, our media, our educators, and our intelligentsia, I can't help wondering if the day may yet come when the only thing that can save this country is a military coup."

I pray that we can turn it around before it comes to that. There are precious few coups or revolutions that ended up better than where they started -- ours of 1775 being a significant exception.

And I agree that the NRA ain't helping much.

The Old Guy

The problem with that is the term "Military" - unless by that you mean a Heinleinian style Military Coups.

I'd much rather it be an EX-military Coups - i.e. those of us who WERE in, but are no longer beholden to the "authority" of an increasingly unconstitutional government...

Yall got me wanting to change my handle, bummer!

You mean to something like forgoa?

http://www.gunowners.org/

I joined NRA for the first time last year, but after finding out about GOA, I am thinking about joining them instead of renewing my NRA membership.

For me, there's no point quitting the NRA. I'm a Lifer, and I Vote... not that I vote for any of the current admin, but I Vote none the less.

OTOH, my MONEY goes to truly RKBA groups like GOA & JPFO.

If my VOTE ever means somthing to the NRA and we get a Pro RKBA/Knoxian admin, I may start sending them money again.

when our elected representattives sell us out as seems to be the issue with the NRA of late. I admit that between being busy and preoccupied with other stuff I haven`t been watching the NRA as closely as I should and frankly don`t know anything about GOA other than the NRA has cast a jaundiced eye on them alleging similar pandering to pols if I`m not mistaken.

I suppose the bottom line however is that we are better of with the less than perfect representation of the NRA and GOA than we would be without them.

The problem with that is the term "Military" - unless by that you mean a Heinleinian style Military Coups.

I'd much rather it be an EX-military Coups - i.e. those of us who WERE in, but are no longer beholden to the "authority" of an increasingly unconstitutional government...

I can't speak for Dr. Sowell and don't know any more about his view than what he wrote. His column was titled Random Thoughts and was generally casual in nature. I do not believe Dr. Sowell is advocating violent overthrow of our government, at least not at this time.

However, having said that, I do remember reading about the last time some ex-military folks marched peaceably on Washington, D.C. -- the Bonus Army march in 1932. It got pretty ugly before it was over, and some veterans who had served their country honorably were treated poorly by folks whose names you would know -- MacArthur and Patton.

If it gets bad enough that a coup is the only way out, one with honorable military men at its head, I suspect they would welcome all like-minded veterans -- but a group of veterans, acting on their own, would likely repeat the history written in 1932. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army

Let's continue to pray that it never gets that bad, and continue to work within the system to get our nation back closer to what our founding fathers created. The folks in Virginia have done an excellent job in applying political pressure and getting changes made (see VCDL's webbsite, www.vcdl.org). The rest of us in a few more states can make a difference. Let's do it!

The Old Guy

We're all likely being placed on a terroist watch list as we discuss this toppic!

I said something like that to a friend of mine on another forum one time.

He said, "That's okay. I've got a list of my own".

I thought that was funny.

god help us is right..my body is in the 21st century
but my minds still in the 20th.. so ive had to face the fact that my values are different than most folks i meet in life..
its my belief that its really devine help that has prevented
some form of absolute govt. from taking over.. not the constitution ,or any organization... as to whether that will continue,, it will again be the determination of that same
higher power.
i realize many would disagree about how free we are now
from absolute govt.. ill give them some ground on that..
but still ,now i can fly low enough under the radar as to allow me to think what i want and voice my opinions,if i choose.
[at least in my circle]..the challenge for me gets down to,, do i have the courage to say my piece,, in the face of,
the every day clicks we have every where. IE.. the good old boys,the intellectual snoots,the upper class from income stand point, [yes we are a class society]imo..and the many other situations where being truthful about what you think ,can cause others to try and make it as uncomfotable as they can for you..so far ive been able for the most part to have the moxie to stand the heat.
vote, vote from an informed and thought out position...be willin to say what you think ..
as for me i still think if we all had that kinda courage
in this,, go along with the crowed society ,, mabe it might make the creator think twice about helping us get thru this century with some individual freedoms ,intact...i dont really think hes to happy with us right now..jmo ,whats yours.. and are you willing to express it ,,when the heats on..its easy here