Oops! I Forgot, Its A 22-250

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I'm not sure if you are asking a question or making a comment.

Ruger rifles have been known for "Hit and Miss" accuracy. You will find many Ruger owners that have "tack drivers" and will swear by them. You will also find many Ruger owners that are extremely disappointed with the lousy accuracy and swear at them instead of by them.

Notice Ruger's new add campaign. "Rugged, Reliable, Ruger". Says nothing about accuracy. Me, I stay away from Ruger's altogether, to many with extremely poor accuracy.

I guess we are making the statement that it's not the ruger that's accurate it's the caliber :confused:

I've got an MKII in 270...not a round know for accuracy anyway but 2.5" 100 yard groups...I swear at mine :D . But it has killed alot of whitetails.

Sorry, New Ruger 77 Mk11 22250 23"barrel W/burris Black Dia.6x24 Will Not Group Less Than 3 Moa . I've Tried 5 Different 55 Gr.factory Loads. Going To Reload But Need Help!!!
Thanks!!

Please don't double post (see rules). Go to your original and edit. We use up too much server space (it takes more to start a new thread than to contribute to an existing one) and we get answers on the same topic separated, otherwise.

I will merge your post into your original thread.

Well Steve kind of summed it up. I had one of the Ruger all weather stainless sporter weight 22-250's and it grouped like yours. It had the boat paddle plastic stock and it didn't like glass bedding, free floating or any other tricks I tried.

I reload and tried a bunch of different bullet powder combos and 2.5 inches at a hundred was the best I ever got.

When I bought this rifle it was used and I bought a pair, one was the 22-250 and one was a 300 Win mag. The 300 was an identical All weather produced the same year. It would shoot three shot clover leaf's off the bench all day and was one of the most accurate factory magnum rifles I've owned.

The 22-250 finally got sold at a yard sale with my target taped on the stock so the fella whom bought it would know exactly what he was getting.

Over lots of years I've had several Rugers, starting with a 7 by 57 model 77 brand new tang safety model that had the chamber bored off center to the axis and when the bore sighter said it was on it would shoot 12 inch groups 13 inches or so to the left and a foot high. Ruger replaced it with a brand new 30-06 off the shelf rifle that killed a Dahl Sheep in Alaska at 650 yards. That was in 1978. Since then as I ran a small gunsmith business I've had hundreds of Rugers thru the shop, some good some bad.

Today there are two Rugers in the Safe, an old 1979 #1 in 243 and a MKII Target Auto. Both are very accurate rifles. I spent lots of years with a couple of Redhawk 44 mags when I was into handgun hunting and had excellent results.

Here's a group from my #1.

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and the little beauty that did it.

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Here's the handguns I shoot.

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My old shooting partner bought a Blackhawk 45 colt convertible with the 45 ACP cylinder a couple af years ago new. When we went out to sight it in it was putting our hardcast bullets sidewise thru a target at 25 feet. It went back to Ruger for repair and they replaced the brand new barrel with another brand new barrel. He's still got it, but it does not meet my accuracy requirements for a big bore handgun.

Best I can say is you pays your money and takes your chances. Accuracy can be from very very good to bad. I'm to the point now where I won't buy one unless I can shoot it first. I like Ruger's construction and style and I wouldn't say don't buy one, but I'd sure want to shoot it before I plunked down a bunch of money.

Best rifle for the money on the market today? The CZ 527's in small bore centerfires and the CZ 550's in standard and magnum calibers get my nod.

My 2 cents.

I've got no complaints from any of my Rugers, all are very accurate.

Rugers are no worse than Remchesters or any other mass produced factory firearms. Sometimes you get a lemon out of the production run, no matter the name stamped on the barrel/action. Have had just as many bad Remingtons and Winchesters as I've had Rugers that needed a little treaking to bring into the MOA fold. Don't let ANYONE tell you differently.

There are several things that can increase the accuracy level of your firearm. Free floating the barrel, glass bedding the action, either replacing the present trigger with an aftermarket adjustable one, or having a competent gunsmith adjust the one you have.

Also, your individual shooting technique has a lot to do with accuracy.

Don't just keep pulling the trigger and manipulating the bolt as fast as possible until the barrel is so hot you can't hang onto it. Slow, measured shots with plenty of time between shots to allow the barrel to sufficiently cool is a must.

Also, if this is a brand new rifle, it usually takes a couple hundred rounds to enable the rifle to hit it's stride as far as accuracy.

I have not shot the newest Hawkeyes and the like. But in general, the triggers on 77s.....oooh, yuck. That is their biggest accuracy hinderance IMO.

Triggers aside, I disagree that some will shoot good, some bad with the same frequency as Model 70s and 700s. The Ruger's fore-end pressure lends itself to a bit more inconsistencey. However truth be told, all three brands and Savage's & Howa's too need to be pillar/glass bedded by a good smith if you really want to maximize their potential IMO.

Ruger has introduced a new trigger that's supposed to be much better, but it's still not adjustable. All the old tang safety 77's were fully adjustable along with the #1's. The cure for the 77 MKII's is an aftermarket trigger such as a Timney.

Kdub has a good point. With lots of years both shooting and repairing guns I've seen all brands have some kind of problem or another. I guess the caveat is that if somebody can build it somebody can mess it up. I'm kinda a Remington fan, but the Rugers are great looking and feeling guns and aside from a trigger than can be fixed suffer the same problems as most mass produced weapons.

Most of my guns were pre-owned instead of new. Sometimes doing that you get a lemon, but the up side is most of the time you can shoot it before you buy it and that is a real advantage.

not so sure I agree that you get good and bad with all brands am sure there is a lemon now and then with them all I have a Friend that is very high on the cz they are a great bang for the buck but even better I feel is savage with accutrigger have bought 4 in the last year or so 3oo wsm 308 tactical 243 and 204 ruger haven't done any load development with 204 yet but have shot .25 group with 243 and subb .50 groups with 150 gr and 110 grain with 308 and sub .50 groups with 300 wsm 165 hornadys It drive my buddy nuts that a cheaper rifle usually shoots better than his cz s justy a nickels woprth from an old fat guy in mt you guys have a good board here very informative I get a lot of good infoo reading the post Fred

I'm not sure I agree with kdub on this one. Yes, you can find good and bad in many of the production rifles out there. But, Ruger leads the pack in the poor accuracy dept. The odds of getting a poor shooter from a Savage or Browning are much much less than getting one from Ruger.

I have owned many rifles over the years and I have never had a Browning, Savage, Win, Rem. or CZ that I could not get great accuracy out of. I have had several Rugers that were a lost cause and never did get them to shoot. I for one will never waist any more time and money on a Ruger.

My last Ruger was a Mini-30 that I bedded and had the trigger worked. With handloads I could get darn near MOA accuracy with that little guy. One day the firing pin broke. As Ruger will not sell firing pins I had to send it off to them for repairs. They replaced the firing pin, bolt, adjusted the headspace and removed the accuracy all free of charge. My MOA mini was now a 6MOA tomato stake. I called Ruger to find out what happened to my MOA rifle and was politely told that it was test fired and a 3 inch group at 50 yards is within their accuracy standards. That's pathetic, even for a Mini.

All you folks that don't care for your Rugers and would like to get rid of them, just get ahold of me and I'll tell you how to send to me free of charge. :p

I'll handle any of the excess...

Steve4102,

Sorry to hear about your loss. The one major drawback of returning any gun to a factory is their lawyers will see to it that they return it to factory specifications before it comes home. You never send them a tuned trigger group, especially, because that is doomed.

I am surprised at Ruger's response to your accuracy complaint. I had a Redhawk that would not hold 6" at 25 yards. I returned it to them with the accuracy complaint and it came back shooting under an inch at that range. Their shop paperwork said they had reamed the chambers. They had also refinished the cylinder. That work is normally custom accuracy job work, and they didn't charge a penny. Wisely, I had put off working on the trigger until after that part of the job had been done.

I also don't know who told you the firing pins are not available as replacement parts? Numrich (e-gunparts) has them. $27, here (http://www.e-gunparts.com/product.asp?chrProductSKU=291460).

Im the defense of ruger, The guy beside me at the range last wek was shooting a hawkeye in 257 roberts and doing quite well. He was breaking in the barrel shooting factory loads and was keeping stuff in the large inch range at 100 yards. Personally my blackhawk .44 will hold 6" @ 100 yards so that isn't too bad for a 7 1/2" pistol.

In my experience with Ruger rifles they shot ok for the most part,but I have never seen a tackdriver. I guess that depends on ones definition of "tackdriver" I have the Ruger Target modle (I believe that is what it's called) with the Laminated Stock and medium heavy barrel. This rifle is cahmbered in 22-250 and will consistently shoot to about 3/4 MOA or so. This is not exceptionaly accurate for this type of rifle IMHO.. My Winchester (push feed) heay barrel varmint (also chambered in 22-250) will hold 1/4 MOA or under. Now that would qualify as a "tackdriver" IMHO.. My Savage 223 is also what I would classify as a "tackdriver" as it will also hold around 1/4 MOA. For small targets (ground squires) at extended ranges this is a must..Ruger handguns have a much better rep for shooting well out of the box than thier rifle IMHO and experience..

So you're saying that only calibers are accurate and not guns?

Consistency is key, my rem 700 .204 is an excellent shooter, but only with my handload Nosler 40 gr / RE10X I would love to have that gun be able to shoot any ammo I grabbed as well as it does with those loads.

On the other hand, my .280 will shoot any factory ammo into 3/4'' group (1/2" with handloads) and my .25/06 has a worst recorded group of 1.5" but I have a load, near max velocity with a 115 gr Nosler Ballistic tip that prints consistent .333" groups...

Even though my 77/22 .22 Mag took about 200 rounds to really wake up, its incredible 1/2" groups make me very happy, all I have done to it is a Timney sear and spring. $1500 Volquartsen customs are only guaranteed to 1/2" groups.

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I also don't know who told you the firing pins are not available as replacement parts? Numrich (e-gunparts) has them. $27, here (http://www.e-gunparts.com/product.asp?chrProductSKU=291460).

Before I sent my Mini back to Ruger for repairs I had an after market pin installed. It lasted only a few hundred rounds. The Smith that installed it told me that breaking after market pins in a mini is not uncommon. He recommended I send it off to Ruger for a factory replacement.