Hello from Virginia. I just found this forum and liked the way it's set up. Seemed to me it was a great place to be.

I have a question I hope someone can answer.

I inherited a Winchester 94 (made in 1969) from my Father and decided to use it this year for white tails. I took it to the range to put it on paper. Knowing the rifle isn't a super long range gun (open sights) and considering where I'm hunting, I set the targets at both 75 and 100 yards. The rifle was on a rest. This is the out come.

With the rear sight set on the lowest notch, I'm still hitting about 4 to 5 inches too high. I have to aim at the bottom of the target to get it in the X ring. Windage is fine. The ammo I was using is 30-30, Winchester CXP2, 150gr power-point.

Is there a way to bring this up so it hits at point of aim or is this just inherent of the rifle? Different ammo maybe?

Thanks in advance for any and all help.

Dutch

Hello from Virginia. I just found this forum and liked the way it's set up. Seemed to me it was a great place to be.

I have a question I hope someone can answer.

I inherited a Winchester 94 (made in 1969) from my Father and decided to use it this year for white tails. I took it to the range to put it on paper. Knowing the rifle isn't a super long range gun (open sights) and considering where I'm hunting, I set the targets at both 75 and 100 yards. The rifle was on a rest. This is the out come.

With the rear sight set on the lowest notch, I'm still hitting about 4 to 5 inches too high. I have to aim at the bottom of the target to get it in the X ring. Windage is fine. The ammo I was using is 30-30, Winchester CXP2, 150gr power-point.

Is there a way to bring this up so it hits at point of aim or is this just inherent of the rifle? Different ammo maybe?

Thanks in advance for any and all help.

Dutch
If you're happy with the open sights then you just need a higher front sight. If you have aging eyes like I have and still love to shoot open sights you could try a reciever sight and a new front sight.
Ammunition could also make a difference.

Mike gave you good advice.

You can get replacement front sights and even rear receiver sights at www.brownells.com

This seems to get asked most often with lever gunners.

(OK...math guys...know the equation is simple, but I get frustrated trying to get the computer to make those equations readable and we aren't all math guys...some of us are alergic to equations.)

Need a ruler and a calculator

1. Measure the distance between the front and rear sight....will call this (S) for sight radius.

2. Shoot the gun at a know range and measure the amount of change needed to get the impact where you want it...will call this (D) for the distance from the point of aim.

3. Convert the distance to the target to INCHES..will call this (R) for range.

Now to get where you want the bullets to go:
Divide D by R.
Multiple what ever you got above by S.

Lets run through one. Have a rifle that is shooting 6" high at 50yards. The sight radius is 20". I'd like it to hit exactly on at 50 yards.

1. (S) is 20"
2. (D) is 6"
3. (R) is 1800" (50 yards = 150 feet = 1800 inches)

So D divided by R = 6 divided by 1800 = .00333
And .00333 times S = .0033 X 20 = .0666

(Real world time.... .07" would be close enough.)

Which means that I need to move the rear sight DOWN by that amount to get to zero

or

Move the front sight UP by that amount to get to zero.

or

Change one of the sights (the front for a higer one in this case, the rear for a lower one) by the same amount.


So far so good.

But you'd really want the sights to not be bottomed out or topped out...would want some adjustment in both directions.

Would be better to set the rear sight in the middle range, and start the process over again...getting a new (D) number and running through the process to get you sight change in order to put you on target AND have some "fiddle room" for loads that may shoot differently.

Odds are that a higher front sight is what you need. But, I notice you said the rifle was "on a rest". Was the forend directly on a rest? If so, you might want to try it with the forend rested on your hand. I've had a couple of rifles that would shoot high from even a well-padded solid rest, but not when rested on my hand.

Sounds good guys. I toyed with the idea of adding a rear tang sight. Would that help?

Dutch, I hate to insult anyone's intelligence; but what exactly was your sight picture?

Have you shot open sights before? Used to them?

Did you settle the bead down into the tiny notch of the rear? Did you use the six O'clock hold or cover the target with a lot of bead?

Chances are you need the higher front sight, but I just had to ask.

Yeah that was the first thought that came to mind. What was the sight picture, exactly?

I can't see the buckhorn sights for crap and can't get a consistent sight picture with them either, so there could just be an implementation error :)

Again - no offense if you had that part down correct.

hpdrifter and MikeG, no offence taken. I have been known to make a screw up or two (don't tell my kids).

I made sure everything was square both fore and aft. I also shoot Cowboy Action and have competed in the open sights long range shoots (different gun used there). So again, no offence taken, I appreciate the guts you two showed to take that chance to help me.