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JLA
11-24-2007, 06:20 PM
I hope this is in the correct forum, if not, I apologize. In your opinion, what is the best 22/250? Savage, Remington, etc. etc. I've read reviews but I want real answers so I'd appreciate if you ,the experts, would help me. Thanks!

faucettb
11-24-2007, 06:35 PM
Welcome to the forum JLA. Rules are simple, be nice and join in.

Boy you ask a question that's going to get a bunch of different answers. Lots of fans of both here. The Savage rifles coming off the production line over the last few years are certainly getting accolades for both accuracy and the new Accu-trigger.

I'm a Remington fan, but have seen a bunch of folks that are complaining about quality control and so so accuracy from new Remingtons. I've got several including one of the J lock guns and all mine are very accurate.

My last rifle I bought was a CZ 527 Varmint in 204 Ruger. It's super accurate and if your looking for 22-250 performance with light recoil you might take a look at them. I love being able to watch the bullets hit thru the scope and it shoots as flat as any 22-250 I've ever used.

I've also heard several folks whom really like the Tikka for an accurate light rifle.

Bottom line is there are lots of good rifles on the market. I'd go someplace I could handle a bunch. One or the other is going to say "take me home".

kdub
11-24-2007, 06:35 PM
Every Remchester/Savage/Sako/CZ/Ruger/custom Mauser, etc. owner/expert will give you his "expert" opinion. The weight will go to whichever brand of owners is represented most here! :D

If you have the access, you should go to a shop that has all these brands and try handling them to see which feels the best/most comfortable to you. Proper fit is one of the key ingredients to good shooting. Slap on a scope that is as costly as you can afford (some say the scope costs should equal that of the rifle) and have someone mount it for that knows what they are doing.

slim 60
11-26-2007, 04:37 PM
i have both savage and rem. both are excellent rifles..
but if the winner is the one that i feel confident trying any shot i can see with the 3 power .. its the savage 30 06..
i never imagined id be able to own a gun with this type accurracy..as someone pointed out to me ..you ought to give these savage rifles a look.. mine is the 110 with simmons scope.i could ask no more of an rifle.. niether could i fault the remington.

Bird Dog II
11-26-2007, 06:35 PM
I own a couple thousand dollar customized bolt guns that are real accurate and a single shot .22-250 that prints great groups. But my $199 Savage Stevens .30-06 is the tighest shooting outfit I have. It shot a legit 3/8" at 120 yds with handloads my third trip to the range. That was with a 6x Weaver and an Outers Varmiter rest. With sandbags, a 14x scope and only 100 yds, I guess it would have had one hole.

Anyway, I like Rem, Ruger, and especially Win actions better, but there is no beating Savage barrels these days. Period.

deadkenny
11-26-2007, 06:38 PM
More information would be helpful - e.g. what sort of price range are you looking at? What 'type' of rifle are you looking at - I assume bolt action, but do you want a 'heavy' barrel varminter or something a bit (or alot) lighter? What is the (primary) use for the rifle? If you're looking for varmint or target type of accuracy, then don't forget to allocate sufficient funds for the scope. There's no point in putting a 'cheap' scope on an 'expensive' rifle.

JLA
11-26-2007, 07:36 PM
Thanks to all who answered!

Here are some requirements of mine....
1.Price range ....$300-$600
2.Bolt action
3.Need a bull barrel for accuracy
4.Need for shooting coyote, ground hog, etc.
5.The cheap scope thing I aready know about so that is why I have a Nikon 6x18. It is good enough for me.

The bull barrel will be heavier to lug around I know but I need all the help with accuracy that I can get. (ha ha)

Bird Dog II
11-26-2007, 08:00 PM
Thanks to all who answered!

Here are some requirements of mine....
1.Price range ....$300-$600
2.Bolt action
3.Need a bull barrel for accuracy
4.Need for shooting coyote, ground hog, etc.
5.The cheap scope thing I aready know about so that is why I have a Nikon 6x18. It is good enough for me.

The bull barrel will be heavier to lug around I know but I need all the help with accuracy that I can get. (ha ha)

This fits your price range and would make a nice package with that Nikon IMO:

http://www.savagearms.com/12fv.htm

mattsbox99
11-27-2007, 12:07 AM
I think per your requirements, Ruger and Savage only fit the bill... you need to go and pick them up and see how they fit you....I don't like the accu-trigger, it feels too phony to me, and I don't like Savage's poor wood selection for their stocks, Ruger and Winchester have the only good looking laminates in the business. I haven't shot the new Rem 700 SPS, I've got an older ADL that is an excellent gun.

Tikka has a butter smooth action, but so does every other gun I own that I have put a few hundred rounds through... makes me wonder how they will hold up...

A good gun is what you make it, you can easily find a parts gun for cheap and build a real tackdriver, Rem 700 actions are readily available new or used and a great starting point...

deadkenny
11-27-2007, 11:54 AM
Don't know if you're gonna find a Ruger varminter for in that price range. There is a Savage, Model 12FV, that (barely) squeezes into your budget. Of course that's based on MSRP, so you might always find a good deal or used etc.

faucettb
11-27-2007, 12:42 PM
Here's the probably the best varmiter on the market right now for the money. It's a CZ 527 Varmint in 204 ruger.

Very accurate, light enough to be a calling gun and the single set trigger is great. Set the set trigger in the ounce range and the unset trigger at 2.5 to 3 pounds. Mine weighs 8.5 pounds loaded with scope and a medium weight 25.5 inch heavy barrel.

Groups run from less than dime size off the bench rest to nickel size off the bipod at a hundred yards. With velocities in the 4000 fps range to 4200 fps it shoots flatter or as flat as a 22-250 and really whacks coyotes. Plus you can watch your hits thru the scope. Keep in mind that I spent 30 years behind a 22-250 varmint rifle. It takes a lot to impress me and this new cartridge is really impressive.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q172/faucettb/Preditor%20masters/CZ527-204-2.jpg

Here's the kind of groups mine is getting off a set of bipods. This means lots of dead coyotes and ground squirrels.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q172/faucettb/Preditor%20masters/CZ52720440grHorn09-09-063.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q172/faucettb/Preditor%20masters/targetstoday-20.jpg

Here's two sites, one where you can get great prices on them and CZ's site to look at all the different models.

http://www.cz-usa.com/products_smallbore_rifles.php

http://www.whittakerguns.com/

JLA
11-27-2007, 08:03 PM
Well, I went and bought the Remington 700 SPS 22-250 (26" heavy barrel). I think I got a pretty good deal on it plus it is getting a good reputation. I just wish it had a wood stock instead of the synthetic stock but it fit me really well so I got it. Thanks to all who gave me their input. I appreciate it!

mattsbox99
11-27-2007, 09:46 PM
Nothing wrong with the Remington at all, and they are mostly still made in the USA! Good choice, good caliber!

JLA
11-28-2007, 05:40 PM
I do have 1 more question. Being that I have the Rem. 700 SPS 22-250 varmit rifle now, how do I know what the difference is between the long and short action? I want a wood stock for this but I don't know the difference between the two. Thanks!

faucettb
11-28-2007, 05:54 PM
The long action is designed to handle 30-06 length cartridges. The short action is designed for 308 length cartridges. The Long magnum action is designed for 375 H&H and 300 Ultra-mag length actions.

JLA
11-28-2007, 06:44 PM
The long action is designed to handle 30-06 length cartridges. The short action is designed for 308 length cartridges. The Long magnum action is designed for 375 H&H and 300 Ultra-mag length actions.


How can I find out which of the two mine can handle? The 30.06 or the 308? I have the "Bull " barrel on mine if that makes a difference.

unclenick
11-28-2007, 07:23 PM
It is just a matter of length. The .308 cartridge has a SAMMI maximum length of 2.80 inches. The .30-06 has one of 3.34 inches. A simple check would be to cut a strip of paper 3 3/8 inches long and open the action and lay it over the magazine. If it is about the same length as the inside of the magzine, you've got the .30-06 length. If it is about half an inch longer than the magazine, you've got the .308 length. If it is a little over 1/4 inches short, you may even have the magnum length? That last difference is a little harder to judge, since most magazines have a little extra space to facilitate loading, If in doubt, call the factory and ask them to check by the numbers?

big dan
11-28-2007, 07:34 PM
yours is the short action. i had a standard bbl bdl 22/250 about 10 years ago, it was the most accurate rifle i've ever shot. you could literally call your shots because if you did your part the rifle was a sure thing to do it's part. that was with a stout dose of H380 & 40 gr ballistic tips.

unclenick
11-28-2007, 07:40 PM
Dan is right. I somehow missed that this was already .22-250. That is even shorter than .308 and they would have no reason to use the longer action.

JLA
12-02-2007, 08:55 AM
Thanks guys. Much appreciated!

Jack Monteith
12-02-2007, 09:21 AM
For reference. The Remington 700 long action has a bolt travel of 4 7/8" and is 7 3/8" between the rear trigger guard screw and the front guard screw. The short action has a bolt travel of 4" and is 6 1/2" between the rear trigger guard screw and the front guard screw.

Bye
Jack

coyote_243
12-07-2007, 09:25 AM
So, how does she shoot?